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February 10th, 2008, 04:15 PM

Quoting dancing-loon
How do you rate the alliance between US and Pakistan? Do you think it is still good?
US pay Pakistan, delivered their A-Bomb and protect their thorn function in the region (satrap).

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What the hell does "Ever heared from an American logic?" mean, exactly?
With American logic I mean something, like Pope's logic: "Anything We say, is absolute truth. Arguments are futile."
Look, how Japanese democrats think about: http://www.911video.de/ex/jap111.htm
In Germany that looks like:
http://bb.focus.de/focus/t=Zensur+9+...a+Fujita-96942
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February 10th, 2008, 04:36 PM

Quoting dancing-loon How do you rate the alliance between US and Pakistan? Do you think it is still good?
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US pay Pakistan, delivered their A-Bomb and protect their thorn function in the region (satrap).
So, the alliance and relationship is good!! I was a little worried around the time of Benazir Bhutto's assassination.
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February 10th, 2008, 08:42 PM

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Look, how Japanese democrats think about: http://www.911video.de/ex/jap111.htm
In Germany that looks like:
http://bb.focus.de/focus/t=Zensur+9+...F ujita-96942
Data, that is just about a bombshell!!
That Japanese minister is very precise and persistent with his questions, and already just by his questions one gets the eerie feeling something is not right with 9/11 and the "war on terror"!!

I suppose this video about the Japanese parliamentary session has not been "edited" for the Western audiences. Asking Google, I got this link:
http://www.infowars.com/?p=92
and this link:
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...=215453&Disp=4
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February 11th, 2008, 09:31 AM

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Hi, Mikey;
your pondering mind came up with a very good question! I, too, would like to know why the NATO countries get whipped by the US and not Pakistan?
Remember, there was earlier the question, WHY did Musharaff resolutely deny the coalition forces the permission to cross over the border and get at the hide-outs and training camps of the Taliban? It was our opposition leader Dion who suggested that move.

How do you rate the alliance between US and Pakistan? Do you think it is still good?


U.S. and pakistans alliance is fishy. Some days its good, but If Iran or another middle eastern country talks to pakistan and demands them to do something else then they do it. All that crap that happened before, with pakistans president and him wearing his uniform, was all caused by Iran talking to them. Iran has gotten very influentional over the last year.
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February 11th, 2008, 12:29 PM

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Look, how Japanese democrats think about: http://www.911video.de/ex/jap111.htm
In Germany that looks like:
http://bb.focus.de/focus/t=Zensur+9+...a+Fujita-96942
Hi, data; I just noticed your bb.focus thread no longer exists!!! Not only did the focus administration remove the thread with the Jap. videos, but now also the poster's inquiry, why it was removed and where it went. Strange indeed!.
I've got to go there and check it out, perhaps a separate explanation was given!!

I'm disappointed nobody here at CC has commented on the Japanese videos! Well, it is possible most people don't have high speed internet, and without that it sucks.... sitting there waiting to finish loading. Too bad, so sad!

Look, what I found this morning:
US charges six suspects over 9/11
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured in Pakistan in 2003

The Pentagon has announced charges against six Guantanamo Bay prisoners over their alleged involvement in the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US.

Prosecutors will seek the death penalty for the six, who include alleged plot mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
The charges, the first for Guantanamo inmates directly related to 9/11, are expected to be heard by a controversial military tribunal system.

The process of 9/11 prosecutions continues:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7239099.stm
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This appears almost like an answer to the Japanese arguments over 9/11, doesn't it?

I wonder, what kind of method will be used to finish the six suspects finally off, after having tortured them halfway to death already anyway? Perhaps one more water-boarding, or one more beating, or one more shock treatment session, or hanging like Saddam?
It's gruesome thinking about it!
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February 11th, 2008, 01:00 PM

Quoting mbryant26
U.S. and pakistans alliance is fishy. Some days its good, but If Iran or another middle eastern country talks to pakistan and demands them to do something else then they do it. All that crap that happened before, with pakistans president and him wearing his uniform, was all caused by Iran talking to them. Iran has gotten very influentional over the last year.
Hello, Michael.... I have to keep you apart from "Mikey", ... nice to hear from you!
So, you think Iran is the one playing the fiddle there in the area? And Pakistan dances?
Here is a link of interest; it explains some of the more recent events and who is all involved there. China, Russia and India are all doing big business with Iran, while Pakistan is hanging on to US support.

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles.../10166031.html

Illustration by Nino Jose Heredia/Gulf News
Iran and Pakistan can be friends
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February 11th, 2008, 04:45 PM

Speak of the devil........ read this:
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Pakistani ambassador goes missing


Pakistan's ambassador to Afghanistan has gone missing before he was due to cross into Afghanistan from Pakistan.
Sources have told the BBC that the ambassador, Tariq Azizuddin, was kidnapped in the Khyber tribal agency close to the Afghan border.
The Pakistani embassy in Kabul says contact was lost with Mr Azizuddin at around 1045 local time (0645 GMT).
Many areas in the border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan are strongholds of pro-Taleban militants.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7239555.stm
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I hope he doesn't get beheaded! Perhaps he will be used as a bargaining chip. Though I wonder what they would be bargaining for? Money or prisoner release?

Wait and see what comes next!
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February 12th, 2008, 09:21 AM

Quoting dancing-loon
Hello, Michael.... I have to keep you apart from "Mikey", ... nice to hear from you!
So, you think Iran is the one playing the fiddle there in the area? And Pakistan dances?
Here is a link of interest; it explains some of the more recent events and who is all involved there. China, Russia and India are all doing big business with Iran, while Pakistan is hanging on to US support.

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles.../10166031.html

Illustration by Nino Jose Heredia/Gulf News
Iran and Pakistan can be friends
Check this out. China will be the next superpower.They will be the number 1 consumer of oil in the next 2-3 years. Why? Because they have 1.6 billion people, 2 million ground troops, and nukes. China has enough people to get rid of. They would have got into war with the U.S. years ago if it wasnt for 28 nuclear subs that we have all over the world. They would have nuked us, if it wasnt for them. ( surely thats just my assumption)
But the United States has a policy with the middle east, we say dont do that, try and be like us correct? China has the policy we dont care what you do, we'll trade with you anyway.
That has hurt U.s. and made china alot of friends in the middle east.
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February 12th, 2008, 03:37 PM

Quoting mbryant26
Check this out. China will be the next superpower.They will be the number 1 consumer of oil in the next 2-3 years. Why? Because they have 1.6 billion people, 2 million ground troops, and nukes. China has enough people to get rid of. They would have got into war with the U.S. years ago if it wasn't for 28 nuclear subs that we have all over the world. They would have nuked us, if it wasn't for them. ( surely that's just my assumption)
But the United States has a policy with the middle east, we say don't do that, try and be like us correct? China has the policy we don't care what you do, we'll trade with you anyway.
That has hurt U.s. and made China a lot of friends in the Middle East.
Hi, Michael;
yes, I know, China is becoming a wonderful counterweight to US hegemony. That might restore some of the balance lost when Russia fell apart.
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China has enough people to get rid of.
Nicely said, Mike! People are just a renewable commodity to the leaders of this world. Canon fodder, my Dad used to say.

From the net:
"If push comes to shove, analysts say, it's difficult to tell which side China would ultimately choose. Some contend that China will do its best to ensure it doesn't have to choose, while also continuing its cautious route of bolstering economic ties to buffer Iran against potential U.S.-led economic sanctions."
Quite some political footwork going on right now!

What do you make out of the kidnapping of the Pakistani Ambassador to Afghanistan?
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February 12th, 2008, 06:04 PM

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The Pentagon has announced charges against six Guantanamo Bay prisoners over their alleged involvement in the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US.
Why six? After WW2 Stalin led pick 6 German war prisoners, bring them to Moscow and sentence them to death and execute for crimes against humanity of taking part in the Katyn executions of 6000 officers of the Polish army.
That was his way to prove, that it was not his NKWD, but a complot of Mr. Goebbels to accuse him. His version found the way to history books of East Germany. I learned better, when I saw besides "Solidarnosc" the letters "Katyn" on house walls in Rzeszow of 1981. In Warsaw I fotographed the fresh broken sword of it's historic mermaid (disarmament), what I did know from old Polish stamps. Two years before I made a symbolic holiday trip with my fiance to the memorial, where WW2 started (Westerplatte) and Polish bridal pairs used to lay down their flowers. Everything around that trips was quite adventurous.
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February 12th, 2008, 07:28 PM

What do you make out of the kidnapping of the Pakistani Ambassador to Afghanistan?


A bunch of garbage. There is either two scenarios here. 1) U.S. led coalition took him to make people and countried think that the taliban or terrorists are still bad there. 2) The ambassador got paid by Pakistan to "dissapear" , or terrorists really got him.

But have you seen the security around high ranking officials? Troops, guards, and policemen. Unless and army took him, there is no reason that he should have been kidnapped.
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February 12th, 2008, 08:03 PM

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Why six? After WW2 Stalin led pick 6 German war prisoners, bring them to Moscow and sentence them to death and execute for crimes against humanity of taking part in the Katyn executions of 6000 officers of the Polish army.
That was his way to prove, that it was not his NKWD, but a complot of Mr. Goebbels to accuse him. His version found the way to history books of East Germany. I learned better, when I saw besides "Solidarnosc" the letters "Katyn" on house walls in Rzeszow in 1981. In Warsaw I fotographed the fresh broken sword of it's historic mermaid (disarmament), what I did know from old Polish stamps. Two years before I made a symbolic holiday trip with my fiance to the memorial, where WW2 started (Westerplatte) and Polish bridal pairs used to lay down their flowers. Everything around that trips was quite adventurous.
Hi, data;
I know you lived an interesting life so far.
For the readers who are not that familiar with the Katyn massacre, here is a good link to read.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/

What you mean to say is that Stalin took six German war prisoners, brought them to Moscow and tortured them until they confessed having been involved in the executions of the roughly 6000 Polish soldiers and officers in the Katyn forest near the city of Smolensk. For this "war crime" he blamed the Germans, while he himself had ordered the executions!

Are you now seeing some parallel in the US accusing six "terrorists" for the 9/11 attack? Do you think they are not guilty, just like the Germans were not guilty of the massacre that took place in the Katyn forest?

Having read your link with the Japanese parliament videos and the writing in English at the bottom of the page, I have become doubtful myself. The first victim of any war is the Truth!
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February 12th, 2008, 08:17 PM

Quoting mbryant26
What do you make out of the kidnapping of the Pakistani Ambassador to Afghanistan?

A bunch of garbage. There is either two scenarios here.
1) U.S. led coalition took him to make people and countries think that the Taliban or terrorists are still bad there.
2) The ambassador got paid by Pakistan to "disappear", or
3) terrorists really got him.

But have you seen the security around high ranking officials? Troops, guards, and policemen. Unless and army took him, there is no reason that he should have been kidnapped.
Hi, Mike;
thanks for your super smart answer! I never thought of the first 2 possibilities! You could be absolutely right!
It was stated that a protective convoy was waiting for him, but he rather chose to go alone, avoiding the high visibility. That, of course, makes sense, too.

Mike, I just love it when you enlighten us!
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February 12th, 2008, 08:34 PM

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Hi, Mike;
thanks for your super smart answer! I never thought of the first 2 possibilities! You could be absolutely right!
It was stated that a protective convoy was waiting for him, but he rather chose to go alone, avoiding the high visibility. That, of course, makes sense, too.

Mike, I just love it when you enlighten us!

It should of raised flags when he decided to go alone. Who in their right minds would go alone in a war zone??? He got paid to leave and go away. Its like walking alone in harlem n.y. alone, ...nobody does it.
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February 12th, 2008, 10:30 PM

Hi, Mike;
you are still here, I see.
Yes, you are right, it is actually a war zone... you would know that!

You think he will after some time magically reappear again? I guess he did this willingly, or what do you think? If the money was right, he'll play the game.
I wonder what news they'll feed us next!
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February 13th, 2008, 08:18 AM

Yeah he'll reappear again after the money goes away. He'll make up a great story to save his job. What I dont get is, if he was kidnapped how come no terror group has took responsibility. Usually there is a video, a terro group bragging, etc. but this time nothing.
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February 13th, 2008, 09:58 AM

I just checked the web for more news, came up with this:
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Pakistan's ambassador to Afghanistan, Tariq Azizuddin has gone missing, shortly after Pakistani forces captured a top Taliban commander near the Afghan border yesterday. Azizuddin, his bodyguard, and driver went missing in the tribal region while en route to Kabul. Pakistani government officials tell FSRN they believe the ambassador was kidnapped by a pro-Taliban militant commanding Lashkr-e-Islam, or the Army of Islam. From Pakistan, Zack Baddorf reports.
So, now we know the REASON for his abduction... RETALIATION!!!
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February 13th, 2008, 10:26 AM

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The first victim of any war is the Truth!
If Americans will ever comprehend this?
For what shall be Canadian troops in Afghanistan?
http://www.petitiononline.com/af8f69...ion-sign.html?
To secure more such judicial murder in the name of a self invented Sharia of some warlords there? Are besides US troops also Canadian troops involved in the still growing and further modernising poppy business there, i.e. holy making of dollars?
I've learned here, that no western soldier is concerned about the reason of his service and possible risking of his life. He accepted a job, since perhaps no better was around and is about to fulfill his signed contract. He fights for relaiability of contract, especially his own.

And I've learned, that nobody would give his name to sign the petition for saving a single live, since more people die as collateral damage in Afghanistan. I present here an alternative example to give you something to think about.
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AMBASSADE AFGHANISTAN
H.E. Ambassador Dr. Zia Nezam
Brussel, 23rd of January 2008
Dear Ambassador, dear Dr. Zia Nezam,
With this letter I would like to express my concern about the death penalty for Sayed Perwiz Kambakhsh, a young journalist living and working in the northern province of Balkh. To my knowledge Mr Kambakhsh is a reporter for the newspaper Jahan-e Naw ("The New World") and a journalism student at Balkh university, and he had been arrested on 27 October on charges of blasphemy and defaming Islam.
Having been in Afghanistan at the beginning of December 2007 I was full of hope that the new mass media law will be approved by President Karzai, but soon afterwards I had to learn that the President refused to sign it. This is very unfortunate not only because the government committed itself (in the Afghan Compact) to develop "independent and pluralistic" media, but also because it underlines the importance of a forward-looking mass media law for the development of a more inclusive, tolerant, and democratic society that is mindful of the country's religious and cultural values without curtailing the activities of the media under the pretexts of national security or religion and culture.
Although I am far from questioning the Afghan justice system I would still like to express my serious concern about this case in general and the death penalty, which I am absolutely against, in particular.
I'd like to ask you to do everything in your power to help preventing the execution of the death penalty against Sayed Perwiz Kambakhsh.
Thanking you for your attention I do remain yours sincerely
Dr. André Brie
Member of the European Parliament
http://www.andrebrie.de/english/2008...fghanistan.pdf
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