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January 22nd, 2008, 04:30 PM

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There's your post characterizing my post as the contribution of a "conspiracy therorist" , your single question was answered by my reply to that post. The solid proof that you require does exist but you refuse to recognize the validity of jouralism and scholarship as well as hard won demanding research. I have observed your steering of the forum in these past couple of weeks, where you have attempted to limit and mold discussion to your own taste buy burying anything controversial with your subjects. Now if you can't stand my subject matter stay out of the threads as I have respected for the most part your threads, if you don't like discussing reality don't engage in it. You get lots of attention elsewhere and don't need mine.
You've got to be kidding right?

Hell with my retirement fund rapped up in foriegn equaty, I'm likely directly funding terrorists somewhere along the line, does that mean I'm terrorist bag man.

I read your link, I followed there links, and they all come to a tenuous dead end.

The only people willing to see that and understand that aren't right wingnut jobs, are people that aren't looking at it as supporting documentation of a preconcieved agenda.

That would exclude you.
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January 22nd, 2008, 04:34 PM

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Why don't you purchase a three dollar dictionary and at least make an attempt to improve your contributions instead of makeing a fool of yourself with every post.
And that would support your arguement, how?

Oh that's right, beyond Op/Ed pieces and deadend linked conspiracy theories passed off as news, this is all you have..."I can't pull one over on ya, but I can try to tell people you're just dumb".

Another fine failed attempt Beav...good call.
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January 22nd, 2008, 07:29 PM

I found some photos on the web I would like to share with you all, but especially I want you, Bear, to look at them and then tell me, that that is the reason why you want Canada to continue the fight, ...that is the reason why you hate "them", the fundamentalists, so much. Yes, then I can understand you!

I think, I may have to pedal back a bit and give your opinions some credit.
These fotos tell of a poor, desperate and deprived people under the Taliban rule. Pictures are far more powerful than words! If it is really true they are that fanatically controlling and so backwards, then I can also see there is no point in discussing or negotiating with them... not with us Westerners, they'll never understand and accept our way of thinking. But to kill them all? I don't know ... can't be right either.

I have thought, what would happen if the Americans left Afghanistan?... would it then perhaps be easier to persuave them to lighten up and ease their iron rules?

Now, I'm not saying that the benevolent Americans are there to help this Nation selflessly, but I could believe most of the NATO member-states genuinely wish to help the ordinary Afghan people. I think I would want to also, if I could.

So, mighty Bear, I apologize if I misunderstood you.

While you look at these pictures, I'll check out the other posts.
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January 22nd, 2008, 07:42 PM

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I found some photos on the web I would like to share with you all, but especially I want you, Bear, to look at them and then tell me, that that is the reason why you want Canada to continue the fight, ...that is the reason why you hate "them", the fundamentalists, so much. Yes, then I can understand you!

I think, I may have to pedal back a bit and give your opinions some credit.
These fotos tell of a poor, desperate and deprived people under the Taliban rule. Pictures are far more powerful than words! If it is really true they are that fanatically controlling and so backwards, then I can also see there is no point in discussing or negotiating with them... not with us Westerners, they'll never understand and accept our way of thinking. But to kill them all? I don't know ... can't be right either.
And I agree.

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I have thought, what would happen if the Americans left Afghanistan?... would it then perhaps be easier to persuave them to lighten up and ease their iron rules?
I doubt it.

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Now, I'm not saying that the benevolent Americans are there to help this Nation selflessly, but I could believe most of the NATO member-states genuinely wish to help the ordinary Afghan people. I think I would want to also, if I could.

So, mighty Bear, I apologize if I misunderstood you.

While you look at these pictures, I'll check out the other posts.
http://www.rawa.org/gallery.html
Thank you.
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January 22nd, 2008, 07:52 PM

I want Canada to continue the fight too. I'm proud of our country and the rest of NATO, as it is a brave contribution to the people of Afghanistan, and well deserved.

The easiest thing to do is 'walk away' and pretend we don't know what happens after that.

If NATO stays and gets the job done, even if it takes ten years, finally 'someone' will get it
right for the Afghans, after all the carnage over many years.
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January 22nd, 2008, 07:58 PM

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Not that your piece was void of truth, but your truth seems to change as the sun rises and sets.

It is a lovely Op/Ed piece, based on and supported by Op/Ed pieces, though.
Interesting you that you should observe change in me Bear.Relative truth derived from changing perspective is known as growth or learning. Something I have noticed only a little of in you over these last two years. This indicates stagnation in your thought processes, that stagnation indicates one of two things generally, retardation or senility, but it's not so bad you can still ammuse yourself in your usual maner even with the reduced capacity you are blissfully unaware of. Since I rarely see you quote sources or post the work of others I just asume that you do not read very well or very often and have to be content with a rather limited ability to express yourself usually simple minded unsubstantial dissin of the sub-highschool grades or common grunt talk. You should be thrilled that such an illustrious specimin such as my handsome self occasionally lowers himself to repond to your incessant chatter, I pat your tiny little head, now run along and fetch me a beer like a good little twit please.
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January 22nd, 2008, 08:03 PM

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Interesting you that you should observe change in me Bear.Relative truth derived from changing perspective is known as growth or learning. Something I have noticed only a little of in you over these last two years. This indicates stagnation in your thought processes, that stagnation indicates one of two things generally, retardation or senility, but it's not so bad you can still ammuse yourself in your usual maner even with the reduced capacity you are blissfully unaware of. Since I rarely see you quote sources or post the work of others I just asume that you do not read very well or very often and have to be content with a rather limited ability to express yourself usually simple minded unsubstantial dissin of the sub-highschool grades or common grunt talk. You should be thrilled that such an illustrious specimin such as my handsome self occasionally lowers himself to repond to your incessant chatter, I pat your tiny little head, now run along and fetch me a beer like a good little twit please.

or...it could be, that unlike you, there are people that are able to think for themselves and come up with comentary on a subject on their own, rather than relying on commentary cut and pasted from some other person.
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January 22nd, 2008, 09:56 PM

So, I'm caught up with reading! Although, dear Beaver, I have not gone over the entirety of your links, but enough to see what you were referring to.

Most disturbing was this title: "NATO must prepare to launch nuclear attack"
Right away I thought 'this is an unceremonious warning for the common people, .. prepare yourselves ... the inevitable is going to happen sooner or later'. And here I am wrestling with the problem of what and how Canada should do in Afghanistan? Meanwhile the big shots are already considering a nuclear strike. Where would they drop it? In Kandahar, the border region or where? They are referring to the A-Bomb, aren't they?
As far as I know, Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons, or do we?

Two years ago a nuclear strike against Iran was expected any day, and yet, it never came. What is the delay?

I suspect that something drastic will happen before Mr. Bush leaves the Oval Office. He started two devastating wars, but finished none. It would be a blight on his record to leave a chaotic mess for his successor. That would severely taint his and America's image.

Perhaps I will bring water and food cans down into my basement!
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January 22nd, 2008, 10:07 PM

Maybe there's a two for one sale on three dollar dictionaries (he says while checking his spelling carefully)
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January 22nd, 2008, 10:09 PM

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or...it could be, that unlike you, there are people that are able to think for themselves and come up with commentary on a subject on their own, rather than relying on commentary cut and pasted from some other person.
Gerry, you are not very observant! I find Beaver has lots of political knowledge in his head. If he wouldn't supply a link with his postings, to substantiate his comments, YOU and others might argue he's making it all up! It is hard to please quarrulants who usually have nothing worthwhile to contribute to a topic! Can't say for sure whether you belong to that group or not.
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January 22nd, 2008, 10:16 PM

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or...it could be, that unlike you, there are people that are able to think for themselves and come up with comentary on a subject on their own, rather than relying on commentary cut and pasted from some other person.
Of course there are gerry if you had any real wit you wouldn't have to ask such a stupid question. You aren't one of them though. Like I've been telling you, your a twisted bitter little man with selfesteem problems. You feed exclusively on snipeing, why don't you get something else in your diet, maybe then you could finally have that **** you so desperately need.
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January 22nd, 2008, 10:21 PM

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So, I'm caught up with reading! Although, dear Beaver, I have not gone over the entirety of your links, but enough to see what you were referring to.

Most disturbing was this title: "NATO must prepare to launch nuclear attack"
Right away I thought 'this is an unceremonious warning for the common people, .. prepare yourselves ... the inevitable is going to happen sooner or later'. And here I am wrestling with the problem of what and how Canada should do in Afghanistan? Meanwhile the big shots are already considering a nuclear strike. Where would they drop it? In Kandahar, the border region or where? They are referring to the A-Bomb, aren't they?
As far as I know, Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons, or do we?

Two years ago a nuclear strike against Iran was expected any day, and yet, it never came. What is the delay?

I suspect that something drastic will happen before Mr. Bush leaves the Oval Office. He started two devastating wars, but finished none. It would be a blight on his record to leave a chaotic mess for his successor. That would severely taint his and America's image.

Perhaps I will bring water and food cans down into my basement!
That nuke talk is frightening stuff eh. And Gordon Brown is going arround talking about the need to institute the New World Order, I think there's going to be something terrible happen and soon. We were promised never ending war and that's just what it looks like. Have you gotten anywhere with that Engdhal book?
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January 22nd, 2008, 10:34 PM

As far as I can make out Iran is the target. Iran must be eliminated for unimpeded access to the Caspian Sea for the oil. The oil goes from there through Afghanistan to Pakistan and on the tankers and you know the rest of the trip. It's about denying anyone else the use and benefit of that oil as well specifically China, but the whole region really, without it they cannot develope or modernize. The Anglo-American empire of which we are no small part cannot allow autonomous powers in the region, following the requirements of full spectrum domination necessitates complete and total control of the hydro-carbon resources of the region and complete subjugation of the people. No matter how many have to die. They're not considered important at all.
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January 23rd, 2008, 12:20 AM

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That nuke talk is frightening stuff eh. And Gordon Brown is going arround talking about the need to institute the New World Order, I think there's going to be something terrible happen and soon. We were promised never ending war and that's just what it looks like. Have you gotten anywhere with that Engdhal book?
Hi, Beaver;
yes, the situation down there is like a powder keg right now. I read Israel delivered some tankers of oil to the palestinians, medicine, too! If I want to be sarcastic, I would say, "now, that's a sign ..."!

I started on the book, but haven't gotten very far yet. It doesn't read like a suspense novel! It's heavy stuff. First chapter is about Iraqi farmers and their seeds, now dependent on Monsanto with patent genetically altered organisms - GMO - seeds. And how this was done so sneakily by Paul Bremer when he set up the interim government in Iraq. Farmers now have to pay a fine if they try to use their own saved seeds or even seeds from the previous harvest... they have to buy new seeds every year! Or else they violate a certain agreement. All arranged for the benefit of Monsanto and Dupont = big companies!!
Another chapter talks about Argentina, the first test-rabbit...it's about soy bean plantations.
Chapter 9 is titled "Rockefeller and Harvard inventing the US-Agri-Business".
Even Kissinger and biological war-fare is mentioned!
Hardcover with 284 pages.... I'm on pg. 38!
My german friend, who loaned me the book, recently told me I can keep the book for a while yet. But I'm thinking of borrowing it in English from our library. You could do the same and save the money buying it. Inter-library loan will get you just about any book.
Thanks for showing interest, Beaver.

Good Night!
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January 23rd, 2008, 01:38 AM

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As far as I can make out Iran is the target. Iran must be eliminated for unimpeded access to the Caspian Sea for the oil.
Hey, you stole that idea from me!! I suggested it first!!!

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The oil goes from there through Afghanistan to Pakistan and on the tankers and you know the rest of the trip.
Yes, I saw a good map that shows the entire region. Actually, they might run a much shorter line through Iran, to the Gulf, completely avoiding Afghanistan. I'm not sure if they actually got the entire pipe line through Afghanistan already built. That was the problem with the Taliban, they kept stopping that project.
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It's about denying anyone else the use and benefit of that oil as well specifically China, but the whole region really, without it they cannot develop or modernize.
From what I read, are there a whole bunch of countries who have stakes in that oil. I don't think the imperialist can just grab and run. But at least they are involved through Exxon and investments.
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The Anglo-American empire, of which we are no small part, cannot allow autonomous powers in the region, following the requirements of full spectrum domination necessitates complete and total control of the hydro-carbon resources of the region and complete subjugation of the people. No matter how many have to die. They're not considered important at all.
Hmmmm.... I don't think it is that simple! Russia and China will stop that!!! The US wouldn't dare, either, I think.
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Have you read about a connection between RAW (India) and MOSSAD? Perhaps this is of interest for you : "RAW maintains active collaboration with other secret services in various countries. Its contacts with FSB of Russia, KHAD, the Afghan agency, Israel's Mossad, the CIA and MI6 have been well-known, a common interest being Pakistan's nuclear programme."

Let's keep an eye on that!
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January 23rd, 2008, 09:33 AM

Quoting dancing-loon
Hey, you stole that idea from me!! I suggested it first!!!

Yes, I saw a good map that shows the entire region. Actually, they might run a much shorter line through Iran, to the Gulf, completely avoiding Afghanistan. I'm not sure if they actually got the entire pipe line through Afghanistan already built. That was the problem with the Taliban, they kept stopping that project.
From what I read, are there a whole bunch of countries who have stakes in that oil. I don't think the imperialist can just grab and run. But at least they are involved through Exxon and investments.
Hmmmm.... I don't think it is that simple! Russia and China will stop that!!! The US wouldn't dare, either, I think.
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Have you read about a connection between RAW (India) and MOSSAD? Perhaps this is of interest for you : "RAW maintains active collaboration with other secret services in various countries. Its contacts with FSB of Russia, KHAD, the Afghan agency, Israel's Mossad, the CIA and MI6 have been well-known, a common interest being Pakistan's nuclear programme."

Let's keep an eye on that!
I stole it from somebody else, that's how it works.
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January 24th, 2008, 04:33 PM

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Interesting you that you should observe change in me Bear.
Not the good kinda change Beav, the mental meanderings of someone so locked and lost in an ideology, that even when it conflicts with itself, you can't see it and therefore trip all over yourself looking for something to justify the error...which is more oft then not, blaming the right.

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Relative truth derived from changing perspective is known as growth or learning. Something I have noticed only a little of in you over these last two years. This indicates stagnation in your thought processes, that stagnation indicates one of two things generally, retardation or senility, but it's not so bad you can still ammuse yourself in your usual maner even with the reduced capacity you are blissfully unaware of. Since I rarely see you quote sources or post the work of others I just asume that you do not read very well or very often and have to be content with a rather limited ability to express yourself usually simple minded unsubstantial dissin of the sub-highschool grades or common grunt talk. You should be thrilled that such an illustrious specimin such as my handsome self occasionally lowers himself to repond to your incessant chatter, I pat your tiny little head, now run along and fetch me a beer like a good little twit please.
All I can say is, that in an outright insult and a weak attempt at a creative insult by some self styled experiment in stupidity that evolved into the model blueprint for building an idiot.

With logic like a lawn full of weeds and insightful posts as reliable as a support bra without wires, I've got some guy whose head whistles in a cross wind and measures an erection as personal growth trying to lecture me on personal growth. I think you should save your efforts for your inflatable girlfriend.

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Gerry, you are not very observant! I find Beaver has lots of political knowledge in his head. If he wouldn't supply a link with his postings, to substantiate his comments, YOU and others might argue he's making it all up! It is hard to please quarrulants who usually have nothing worthwhile to contribute to a topic! Can't say for sure whether you belong to that group or not.
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I stole it from somebody else, that's how it works.
Now that you two have a quaint lil circle jerk on the go, why not invite Logic 7 along to be the slice of bread.

And to answer your halfbaked question Beav, I've posted somany links here Andem threatend to charge me for extra bandwidth. Not that the effort did much good. Posting links to news groups that have links and deep search functions that take the truly free thinkers right to the originating source, was always met with contempt, dibelief in the reality of the issue and of course the patented, 'ignore'. A skill you've mastered along with the other extremists here.

As a last request, don't forget the K-Y, I'ld to hate to read a page long essay on the capitalist scum that caused you and you cronies to get knob burn, because it wasn't clearly labelled on your knobs at birth.

All hail the socialist Nanny state, saving morons from themselves.
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January 24th, 2008, 04:36 PM

Surely we can all bring the thread back to a tone which is about content, not posters?

It gets tiring to read the ad hominem attacks, regardless of which side of the argument they're on.
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