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November 24th, 2007, 10:10 PM
The monotheistic religions are all crimes against humanity and an affront to the real gods. Not to mention a dangerous degenerative disease of the mind, a killer on a par with hemoragic fever and heart disease, we've had enough religion already two thousand years of blood and hate and war and religion is directly responsible for the greater part of it. Among the knowledgable it's considered an abomination that spits in the face of nature and all that's good and just. amen
The monotheistic religions are all crimes against humanity and an affront to the real gods. Not to mention a dangerous degenerative disease of the mind, a killer on a par with hemoragic fever and heart disease, we've had enough religion already two thousand years of blood and hate and war and religion is directly responsible for the greater part of it. Among the knowledgable it's considered an abomination that spits in the face of nature and all that's good and just. amen
Mighty Intellect
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November 24th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
Wrong.....as usual.
The monotheistic religions are all crimes against humanity and an affront to the real gods. Not to mention a dangerous degenerative disease of the mind, a killer on a par with hemoragic fever and heart disease, we've had enough religion already two thousand years of blood and hate and war and religion is directly responsible for the greater part of it. Among the knowledgable it's considered an abomination that spits in the face of nature and all that's good and just. amen
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November 24th, 2007, 10:47 PM
The tomes back up my little yarn, two thousand years of prostration before an idol built from a lie and perpetuated by charlatans. In all that time not one mountain moved not one sparrow saved not one soul delivered. Religion, the wreaker of nations, the blackest art of all, harbourer of the wicked, perveyour of deciet. The church is nothing but a temple for stupidity,a haven for perversions unnumbered a scarlet house of forbidden carnal knowledge. All that I could forgive were it not for my poor first wife whom they addicted to bingo she languishes in the hall of cards and markers even yet. What salvation for her, none I wager, she will dwell in the house of the lord eternally waiting for O69. That's just my opinion but it is shared by most of this planet and several others.
The tomes back up my little yarn, two thousand years of prostration before an idol built from a lie and perpetuated by charlatans. In all that time not one mountain moved not one sparrow saved not one soul delivered. Religion, the wreaker of nations, the blackest art of all, harbourer of the wicked, perveyour of deciet. The church is nothing but a temple for stupidity,a haven for perversions unnumbered a scarlet house of forbidden carnal knowledge. All that I could forgive were it not for my poor first wife whom they addicted to bingo she languishes in the hall of cards and markers even yet. What salvation for her, none I wager, she will dwell in the house of the lord eternally waiting for O69. That's just my opinion but it is shared by most of this planet and several others.
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November 24th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Woof!
Quoting gerryh
... uh ... where did you read that?
Ok Wolf, then what exactley is the problem? You had the choice of where to send your kids for their education, why do you want that choice taken away from others?
Woof!
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November 24th, 2007, 11:31 PM
Quoting gerryh
As I already stated: If kids only experience what their parents (the Board) want them to know, they'll be just as restricted as their parents. Education is supposed to be a taste of their world beyond their horizons.
Then what exactly is your stance in regards to the OP?
Quote:
If you want to encourage a kid to keep his/her/your Faith, then the Faith has to be willing to give them room to compare and let the choice be a free one. That includes investigating the world beyond the box - the Church.
Quoting gerryh
I'd say that you didn't pay attention to what they were being taught OR you have tunnel vision and only looked at the religion class.
I'd say that you didn't pay attention to what they were being taught OR you have tunnel vision and only looked at the religion class.
Mighty Intellect
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November 24th, 2007, 11:41 PM
Quoting lone wolf
Ok..... and at least in the Calgary Catholic School district, part of the grade 12 religion course is a fairly in depth section on comparative religions, where they look at Sikhism, Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam at least. This sounds like it fits your curriculum.
As I already stated: If kids only experience what their parents (the Board) want them to know, they'll be just as restricted as their parents. Education is supposed to be a taste of their world beyond their horizons.
If you want to encourage a kid to keep his/her/your Faith, then the Faith has to be willing to give them room to compare and let the choice be a free one. That includes investigating the world beyond the box - the Church.
If you want to encourage a kid to keep his/her/your Faith, then the Faith has to be willing to give them room to compare and let the choice be a free one. That includes investigating the world beyond the box - the Church.
November 25th, 2007, 12:17 PM
You know wolf, when I was in Public school, my horizons were way more limited than when I started at Catholic in my last year. I didn't learn anything about other religions when I was in public school. Catholic school was the only one willing to step up and educate us about the basic philosophy (the pure philosophies and intents, not the zealotry and bastardized ideas), behind the Eastern religions. Public school doesn't dare touch the idea of spirituality. For a spiritual person, that's limiting the scope of an education.
We were free to debate creationism and evolution without the recriminations people seem to think are there. We were encouraged to discuss the idea of gender surrounding a deity.
I went to school with Sikhs and Muslims. Pregnant girls left the public school to start at the Catholic. It was much more inclusive and broad minded than people seem to think. Perhaps that's unique to being in the west.... my whole religious experience with the Catholic church in the west seems to be in glaring contrast with so many of the assumptions and experiences people have regarding it.
Quoting lone wolf
As I already stated: If kids only experience what their parents (the Board) want them to know, they'll be just as restricted as their parents. Education is supposed to be a taste of their world beyond their horizons.
You know wolf, when I was in Public school, my horizons were way more limited than when I started at Catholic in my last year. I didn't learn anything about other religions when I was in public school. Catholic school was the only one willing to step up and educate us about the basic philosophy (the pure philosophies and intents, not the zealotry and bastardized ideas), behind the Eastern religions. Public school doesn't dare touch the idea of spirituality. For a spiritual person, that's limiting the scope of an education.
We were free to debate creationism and evolution without the recriminations people seem to think are there. We were encouraged to discuss the idea of gender surrounding a deity.
I went to school with Sikhs and Muslims. Pregnant girls left the public school to start at the Catholic. It was much more inclusive and broad minded than people seem to think. Perhaps that's unique to being in the west.... my whole religious experience with the Catholic church in the west seems to be in glaring contrast with so many of the assumptions and experiences people have regarding it.
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November 25th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
As an athiest I can't help but agree with the basic message here. But., I am not evangelical in my atheism and have come to grips with the fact that there are those that fing solace in such beliefs. It is narrow minded to assume that since you have your beliefs and "know" them to be infallable then others don't have the right to have whatever stupid beliefs, that is their right to be wrong.
The tomes back up my little yarn, two thousand years of prostration before an idol built from a lie and perpetuated by charlatans. In all that time not one mountain moved not one sparrow saved not one soul delivered. Religion, the wreaker of nations, the blackest art of all, harbourer of the wicked, perveyour of deciet. The church is nothing but a temple for stupidity,a haven for perversions unnumbered a scarlet house of forbidden carnal knowledge. All that I could forgive were it not for my poor first wife whom they addicted to bingo she languishes in the hall of cards and markers even yet. What salvation for her, none I wager, she will dwell in the house of the lord eternally waiting for O69. That's just my opinion but it is shared by most of this planet and several others.
Mighty Intellect
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November 25th, 2007, 03:32 PM
Geez......the "athiests" are sounding quite "religious" in their beliefs.
Quoting iARTthere4iam
As an athiest I can't help but agree with the basic message here. But., I am not evangelical in my atheism and have come to grips with the fact that there are those that fing solace in such beliefs. It is narrow minded to assume that since you have your beliefs and "know" them to be infallable then others don't have the right to have whatever stupid beliefs, that is their right to be wrong.
Geez......the "athiests" are sounding quite "religious" in their beliefs.
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November 25th, 2007, 03:41 PM
I think it's to much to expect humanity to continue to tolerate what is widely considered child abuse, and before you attack that you should familiarize yourself with the history of the institution.The cost to humanity of such institutions for the desemination of manufactured incomprehensible superstition have been horrendous. If and when mankind tires of the sillyness I would put it to a vote which won't mean much because fanatics will insist on defending thier mistakes with the blood of thier own children everytime.
It's the same with cigarretts, it's wrong it's expensive it kills and cripples, but the industry has rights which we mustn't tread on. What are we to do? Continue to fund a great old evil we know without a doubt is harmfull and destructive and counterproductive and has a record that would embaress Hitler. If it were clearly labled entertainment which it so plainly is these days, then I wouldn't worry so much about the children, at least when they got a little older they could read the lable and make up thier own minds. Stop funding them all everyone of them, make them pay fully for everything and tax them at entertainment and luxury levels and if they still want to play god agents fine at least they're taxed.
Quoting iARTthere4iam
There are those that find solace in child abuse and overeating, solace is becoming an expensive luxury. I have not once refused anyone the privilage to whatever they need to be complete and comfortable in thier own way.We could discuss what a right might be but I think that best left for another thread.
As an athiest I can't help but agree with the basic message here. But., I am not evangelical in my atheism and have come to grips with the fact that there are those that fing solace in such beliefs. It is narrow minded to assume that since you have your beliefs and "know" them to be infallable then others don't have the right to have whatever stupid beliefs, that is their right to be wrong.
I think it's to much to expect humanity to continue to tolerate what is widely considered child abuse, and before you attack that you should familiarize yourself with the history of the institution.The cost to humanity of such institutions for the desemination of manufactured incomprehensible superstition have been horrendous. If and when mankind tires of the sillyness I would put it to a vote which won't mean much because fanatics will insist on defending thier mistakes with the blood of thier own children everytime.
It's the same with cigarretts, it's wrong it's expensive it kills and cripples, but the industry has rights which we mustn't tread on. What are we to do? Continue to fund a great old evil we know without a doubt is harmfull and destructive and counterproductive and has a record that would embaress Hitler. If it were clearly labled entertainment which it so plainly is these days, then I wouldn't worry so much about the children, at least when they got a little older they could read the lable and make up thier own minds. Stop funding them all everyone of them, make them pay fully for everything and tax them at entertainment and luxury levels and if they still want to play god agents fine at least they're taxed.
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November 25th, 2007, 06:51 PM
Atheism requires no martyrs. I don't need to spread the "bad news" for all the believers, if you want to take on that war...good luck. I was indocrinated into Catholicism and made it away better for the experience. I see much good in the basic message of christianity (not so much the mindless obedience part). I don't think now is the time to rid the world of god. now is not the time. IMHO.
Atheism requires no martyrs. I don't need to spread the "bad news" for all the believers, if you want to take on that war...good luck. I was indocrinated into Catholicism and made it away better for the experience. I see much good in the basic message of christianity (not so much the mindless obedience part). I don't think now is the time to rid the world of god. now is not the time. IMHO.
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November 25th, 2007, 06:56 PM
Quoting gerryh
As of now, having no absolute truths, at this juncture. We don't have those answers. Atheism is, as of yet, is still something of a religion.
Geez......the "athiests" are sounding quite "religious" in their beliefs.
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November 25th, 2007, 06:58 PM
Athiesm has it's martyrs.
Quoting iARTthere4iam
Atheism requires no martyrs. I don't need to spread the "bad news" for all the believers, if you want to take on that war...good luck. I was indocrinated into Catholicism and made it away better for the experience. I see much good in the basic message of christianity (not so much the mindless obedience part). I don't think now is the time to rid the world of god. now is not the time. IMHO.
Athiesm has it's martyrs.
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November 25th, 2007, 07:32 PM
Quoting gerryh
no doubt. But they are not required. Christians have a timeline because they are rushing around trying to save your eternal soul.
Athiesm has it's martyrs.
Mighty Intellect
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November 25th, 2007, 07:44 PM
Quoting iARTthere4iam
It's very obvious that martyrs are required, but I doubt very much any of you will understand or recognise who those martyrs are. From what I have seen, most athiests that post on forums are as closed minded as the over-zealot christians.
no doubt. But they are not required. Christians have a timeline because they are rushing around trying to save your eternal soul.
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November 26th, 2007, 04:48 PM
Quoting gerryh
Name some atheist martyrs, please. Why are they required?
It's very obvious that martyrs are required, but I doubt very much any of you will understand or recognise who those martyrs are. From what I have seen, most athiests that post on forums are as closed minded as the over-zealot christians.
