Clever Clogs
Posts: 674 
Location: Canada
Location: Canada
November 13th, 2007, 01:40 AM
Colpy, I think you need to write the Conservatives another cheque. They could use it for their libel settlement.
If it were the Liberals, Harper not so quiet. Squeak!
Colpy, I think you need to write the Conservatives another cheque. They could use it for their libel settlement.
Quote:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home
Conservatives quietly settle libel suit
Mr. Riddell claimed he was promised $50,000 by the party to cover his expenses if he stepped aside to make room for a new, high-profile Tory candidate in his Ottawa riding; the party claimed Mr. Riddell was disqualified.
Mr. Harper, prior to becoming prime minister, flatly declared there was no deal between the Conservatives and Mr. Riddell — but courts subsequently ruled there was indeed an agreement.
Conservatives quietly settle libel suit
Mr. Riddell claimed he was promised $50,000 by the party to cover his expenses if he stepped aside to make room for a new, high-profile Tory candidate in his Ottawa riding; the party claimed Mr. Riddell was disqualified.
Mr. Harper, prior to becoming prime minister, flatly declared there was no deal between the Conservatives and Mr. Riddell — but courts subsequently ruled there was indeed an agreement.
If it were the Liberals, Harper not so quiet. Squeak!
A modern nomad
Posts: 1,118 
Location: Berlin, Germany
Location: Berlin, Germany
November 13th, 2007, 04:43 AM
That's just business as usual in politics. The interesting part is that it was taken to court. Most people wouldn't consider this corruption, this is just the difference between big party politics and grass roots politics.
As far as I know, the NDP is the only party which still respects its local members decisions on these issues. More than that, they are the only party which puts in an effort to find a qualified female candidate in every riding, since one of the biggest barrier to women in politics is the self nomination stage.
There are better things to villify politicians with. Like pushing through legislature labeled as "tough on crime" when all the expert witnesses but one testify that it will degrade the safety of Canadians.
That's just business as usual in politics. The interesting part is that it was taken to court. Most people wouldn't consider this corruption, this is just the difference between big party politics and grass roots politics.
As far as I know, the NDP is the only party which still respects its local members decisions on these issues. More than that, they are the only party which puts in an effort to find a qualified female candidate in every riding, since one of the biggest barrier to women in politics is the self nomination stage.
There are better things to villify politicians with. Like pushing through legislature labeled as "tough on crime" when all the expert witnesses but one testify that it will degrade the safety of Canadians.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 674
Location: Canada
Location: Canada
November 13th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Perhaps your right. Why point out this act of sleaziness and lying about it when there is so much larger garbage we are have having to face with this government and the direction they wish to take this country?
But hey, we might as well get sober with news like this. That the facts are the Conservatives are nothing to what they preach to be (which was the intent of my posting), and it's all part of a pattern that for some reason Harper's supporters keep themselves looking the other way.
My only position is that one of the other parties (minus the Bloc) defeat this government in an election.
Perhaps your right. Why point out this act of sleaziness and lying about it when there is so much larger garbage we are have having to face with this government and the direction they wish to take this country?
But hey, we might as well get sober with news like this. That the facts are the Conservatives are nothing to what they preach to be (which was the intent of my posting), and it's all part of a pattern that for some reason Harper's supporters keep themselves looking the other way.
My only position is that one of the other parties (minus the Bloc) defeat this government in an election.
A modern nomad
Posts: 1,118
Location: Berlin, Germany
Location: Berlin, Germany
November 14th, 2007, 03:20 AM
If you can forgive the Bloc their sovereigntist beliefs, then they happen to be one of the most principled parties on parliament hill. I believe many conservative voters are disappointed with what the party has become, but in comparison to the other parties, most people who identify with conservative ideology would still prefer them to alternatives.
If you can forgive the Bloc their sovereigntist beliefs, then they happen to be one of the most principled parties on parliament hill. I believe many conservative voters are disappointed with what the party has become, but in comparison to the other parties, most people who identify with conservative ideology would still prefer them to alternatives.
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 4,325
Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
November 14th, 2007, 04:44 PM
``they happen to be one of the most principled parties on parliament hill. ``
Wish I knew Canadian politics - but I do not. Therefore, I could not honestly make an informed assessment of this or any other political party.
However, I know my USA politricks. Woops, I mean politics. And the CONservatives are the most dishonest and unprincipled people anywhere. Sad to say but true. And it is a truth that cannot be denied by anyone.
``they happen to be one of the most principled parties on parliament hill. ``
Wish I knew Canadian politics - but I do not. Therefore, I could not honestly make an informed assessment of this or any other political party.
However, I know my USA politricks. Woops, I mean politics. And the CONservatives are the most dishonest and unprincipled people anywhere. Sad to say but true. And it is a truth that cannot be denied by anyone.
Newbie
Posts: 1
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
November 21st, 2007, 01:59 PM
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Canadian politics is definitely different from American politics. It can be traced back decades that the sleaziness of parties has exchanged between the Liberals and Conservatives equally. In fact, the tories are in power now mostly because of past LIberal scandals. It really remains to be seen what the truth is on the Mulrooney-Schreiber issue, but so far it isn't getting as much play time as the Sponsorship Scandal. However, the slight difference is that Harper is definitely not as involved with Mulrooney as Chretien was with well ... his own finance department
Wish I knew Canadian politics - but I do not. Therefore, I could not honestly make an informed assessment of this or any other political party.
However, I know my USA politricks. Woops, I mean politics. And the CONservatives are the most dishonest and unprincipled people anywhere. Sad to say but true. And it is a truth that cannot be denied by anyone.
However, I know my USA politricks. Woops, I mean politics. And the CONservatives are the most dishonest and unprincipled people anywhere. Sad to say but true. And it is a truth that cannot be denied by anyone.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
November 21st, 2007, 03:02 PM
Hey Gopher how't it goin eh...
It's regrettable I suppose but the ancient and some might argue biological imperative that the wealthy and powerful prosper at the expense of the weak and the poor is the fundamental story behind all human "government". As someone here has noted, the Canadian hiccups of revealed corruption are by and large "tepests of the teapot" variety compared to the shenanigans of many others.
We've resigned our rights as citizens to the power/war mongers that seize power at every opportunity and have done so for thousands of years.
The "status quo" that inflicts us is the never-ending battle between the exclusively self-interested and the rest of us......
Situation Normal ALL Fudged UP......
Hey Gopher how't it goin eh...
It's regrettable I suppose but the ancient and some might argue biological imperative that the wealthy and powerful prosper at the expense of the weak and the poor is the fundamental story behind all human "government". As someone here has noted, the Canadian hiccups of revealed corruption are by and large "tepests of the teapot" variety compared to the shenanigans of many others.
We've resigned our rights as citizens to the power/war mongers that seize power at every opportunity and have done so for thousands of years.
The "status quo" that inflicts us is the never-ending battle between the exclusively self-interested and the rest of us......
Situation Normal ALL Fudged UP......
Time Out
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November 22nd, 2007, 08:34 AM
Quoting MikeyDB
Interesting. Might it not also be correct to say that the "rest of us" are exclusively self-interested? I would presume that it is this "exclusive self-interest" that allows the "rest of us" to shrug our shoulders and say, "not my problem!" A most contradictory view you hold, I'm sure.
The "status quo" that inflicts us is the never-ending battle between the exclusively self-interested and the rest of us......
