Harper says Canadians won't sacrifice jobs, living standards for environment

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By Dene Moore

MONTREAL (CP) - Prime Minister Stephen Harper says Canada will be as green as Canadians want it to be.

Harper, who is poised for a possible federal election this spring, reiterated Thursday that his government will announce mandatory targets to reduce emissions in the coming weeks. "Canada will, for the first time ever, create national, mandatory emissions targets for greenhouse gases and air pollution across major industrial sectors," Harper told delegates at an environmental trade show in Montreal.

Harper said consumption must be balanced with conservation.

"Yet, no population of any country will support an environmental plan that robs them of their jobs and destroys their living standards, even in the short term," Harper said.

The prime minister said the government has an important role to play in resolving the current environmental crisis.

"But business and government can only do so much," Harper said.

"In the long run, Canada will be as green as Canadians want it to be."

Harper praised Canada as one of the world's great energy powers and said with that comes great environmental responsibility.

"Canada must be not merely an energy superpower but a clean energy superpower," Harper told delegates.

Polls show the environment was among the most important issues to Canadians and the minority Conservative government has undergone a green revolution since taking power.

Last month, Harper announced a $1.5 billion eco trust fund to help provinces pay for environmental projects and his Conservative government tabled its own Clean Air Act.

Now the act is stalled in the House of Commons, threatening to trigger the spring election.

All three federal opposition parties want amendments to the act before they will help it pass in the House of Commons.

Chief among the demands is that the bill enshrine the emissions targets set out in the Kyoto protocol, which the Conservatives have rejected as impossible to achieve.

The only reduction target included in the bill is a 40-to-60 per cent emissions cut by 2050.

If Harper makes the Clean Air Act a confidence vote, Canadians will go to the polls.








Copyright © 2007 Canadian Press
 

Tweek

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On the whole of the country I think Harper is very right.

I have no intention of making sacrifices to my standard of living while there are options out there that can help today without any negitive effects to the average person and there are a number of options out there.

Assume we are talking strictly emissions for a second and every major city in Canada has a lot of room for improvement. Full cut off lighting fixtures as well as high efficiency bulbs would go a long way to reducing the electrical usage of your average city and since more of the light emitted by street lights would be directed at the ground you'd also end up with a safer environment and (for those of us who would like dark skies) less light polution.

Calgary is already doing this.
http://content.calgary.ca/CCA/City+...Envirosmart+Street+Light+Retrofit+Program.htm
 

crit13

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Considering global activists such as Al Gore and David Suzuki aren't willing to do anything about their lifestyles, what makes anyone think the average Canadian is willing to sacrifice?
 

Tonington

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Would you give money away before you got on a bus, or donate money to cleaner technology?
 

crit13

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Would you give money away before you got on a bus, or donate money to cleaner technology?
I do my part as a responsible citizen because I choose to not because Gore or Suzuki force me to. I use flourescent light bulbs throughout my house, I have turned down my thermostat in the winter and only use air conditioning on the hottest of summer days.

I replaced all my faucets including shower heads with energy efficient ones. My house is only 3 years old so it came with a high efficiency furnace. I also paid an extra $450 to get the high efficiency air conditioner instead of a regular efficiency one.

The answer to your question is yes and no.

Yes, I will spend extra money to make my home more energy efficient.
No, I refuse to give a cent to the likes of Gore or to the government that will simply waste it in beurocratic red tape.
 

Tonington

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I just wanted to clarify what it was you asked. I wasn't asking if you would give them money. Your question implied they do nothing, so why should we. Yet you seem to be doing your part. Kudos.
 

westmanguy

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Harper is right on the money again.

Government must make it on par or cheaper to be green.

My entire house has been upgraded to flourescent light bulbs over the past 2 years thanks to MB Hydro's great program.

Also thanks to the government and MB Hydro giving credits I added insallation in my home to keep heat within it.

And I only use Baseboard heating, as Manitoba is alsmost 100% renewable energy with Hydro and Wind, so the heating I am using comes from green sources..
 

crit13

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Your question implied they do nothing,

But they are doing nothing. They talk a good game but they don't practice what they preach.

They tell us that we should all adjust our lifestyles yet Gore's hydro bill was $20,000 last year. Plus he has given permission to a mining company to pollute the environment on his own property. Jet's around the world and gets driven in limo's.

I mean c'mon. This guy can't be taken seriously.
 

jjaycee98

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Anyone catch Paul Harvey this week?

Apparently the temperatures on Venus & Mercury, Mars, & Jupiter are rising too. The common denominator is the Sun, and the increased activity due to the natural expansion of the compressed gas at the center. Not to say we should just ignore what other scientist are saying. We must do what we can to preserve our Earth.
 

Tweek

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The thing with science is that science is all about disproving theories. You have a theory and attempt to test it, if the evidence supports your theory then great. If it doesn't you have to either attempt to tweak your theory to match the new evidence or toss it all together.

Based on that I question the credability of any scientist who says that there can be no question that climate change is happening, and that it is being directly influenced by human beings. As long as there is any evidence to the contrary the science is still 'out' on the issue.

I'd also like to state that science and politics have no business intermingling.
 

Tonington

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Sigh... it's not the sun. Search through some of the other enviro threads here to learn a thing about orbit eccentricity, and dust storms on Mars and long winters/summers( like 10's of 1000's of years.) Surprise, even on other planets the climate isn't as simple as some flat earth nutters might have you believe.

As to Gore, if you're going to only listen to the headlines (because we all know how transparent their reporting is....) and not poke further (what everyone ought to do anyways) it will look very bad. I agree that 220,000 kw/H is an awful lot. I agree he should have handled that trip to the Hill in a better manner. I agree he has made some reaching comments.

Apparently he has some kind of high tech security system, maybe he's also a tinfoiler? Though I'm not even convinced by the Tennessee Center for Policy Research's claims. According to Gore's power company they never recieved a request. I have yet to see or hear from anyone except that group. Maybe I should go on Wiki and write my own piece how they recieved $25 million from Exxon. Someone will ask for proof please? What a wonderfull idea...

Seems the ones saying how political it's become are swallowing those pundit popper treats without anymore than an obligatory cut and paste. Perhaps it's no small wonder bad science is abounding since Gore's own over-reaching statements.

To be honest, I don't give a crap what Gore does or what he says. He hasn't convinced me of anything, I don't follow like a lap dog.
 

CDNBear

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Apparently the temperatures on Venus & Mercury, Mars, & Jupiter are rising too. The common denominator is the Sun, and the increased activity due to the natural expansion of the compressed gas at the center. Not to say we should just ignore what other scientist are saying. We must do what we can to preserve our Earth.

The thing with science is that science is all about disproving theories. You have a theory and attempt to test it, if the evidence supports your theory then great. If it doesn't you have to either attempt to tweak your theory to match the new evidence or toss it all together.

Based on that I question the credability of any scientist who says that there can be no question that climate change is happening, and that it is being directly influenced by human beings. As long as there is any evidence to the contrary the science is still 'out' on the issue.

I'd also like to state that science and politics have no business intermingling.
I like you two.

It's good to see some more free thinkers out and about. Hang around, it gets hot here when the Pro AGW/Kyoto koolaid drinkers show up.
 

Tonington

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Actually Tweak, science is about creating a hypothesis, setting up an experiment, running the experiment, then seeing if the data agrees with your hypothesis. If not, create new hypothesis. Theories are made when you have large amounts of data from many inquiries, so large in fact that it is unlikely that the Theory will be disproven. That's not to say they aren't though.
 

CDNBear

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Sigh... it's not the sun. Search through some of the other enviro threads here to learn a thing about orbit eccentricity, and dust storms on Mars and long winters/summers( like 10's of 1000's of years.) Surprise, even on other planets the climate isn't as simple as some flat earth nutters might have you believe.

As to Gore, if you're going to only listen to the headlines (because we all know how transparent their reporting is....) and not poke further (what everyone ought to do anyways) it will look very bad. I agree that 220,000 kw/H is an awful lot. I agree he should have handled that trip to the Hill in a better manner. I agree he has made some reaching comments.

Apparently he has some kind of high tech security system, maybe he's also a tinfoiler? Though I'm not even convinced by the Tennessee Center for Policy Research's claims. According to Gore's power company they never recieved a request. I have yet to see or hear from anyone except that group. Maybe I should go on Wiki and write my own piece how they recieved $25 million from Exxon. Someone will ask for proof please? What a wonderfull idea...

Seems the ones saying how political it's become are swallowing those pundit popper treats without anymore than an obligatory cut and paste. Perhaps it's no small wonder bad science is abounding since Gore's own over-reaching statements.

To be honest, I don't give a crap what Gore does or what he says. He hasn't convinced me of anything, I don't follow like a lap dog.
It pains me to say it Ton, you know I like ya and I know you're no dimwit, but I can't buy all the science you're sellin'.

I've spent enough time in courts to pick up a few things...

There is enough proof one way or the other, to cast a shadow on either side. Then there's the death threats, the socialist agenda of the Kyoto Protocol, the fact that a mere 20+ years ago the big scare was another ice age...

Therefore, I'll have to follow the one thing that has always served me well, my gut. And it's telling me not to drink the Koolaid.
 

hermanntrude

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Apparently the temperatures on Venus & Mercury, Mars, & Jupiter are rising too. The common denominator is the Sun, and the increased activity due to the natural expansion of the compressed gas at the center. Not to say we should just ignore what other scientist are saying. We must do what we can to preserve our Earth.

oh so let's just forget about global warming and pretend it's not happening. let's not do anything about it. Tell me what elevation above sea level do u live at?
 

Tonington

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Well Bear, you know where I stand on Kyoto. I say it's the quick fix hasty solution for untalented hacks, only it isn't turning out to be much of a quick fix. As for the death threats, they're a discredit to the movement, unfortunately any large group will have em. As to the science, I think it's safe to say you also know where I stand on that.

The guts a marvelous organ. As far as decisions go, you have the noggin, the heart, the gut, and the boss. My boss wins 99% of the time when there is a disagreement, and 100% of the time when I'm drunk...Noggin tells me the Boss has no tatse...;)