Harper letter dismissed Kyoto a money-sucking socialist scheme

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By Alexander Panetta
OTTAWA (CP) - A prime minister who now promises to fight climate change once ridiculed the Kyoto accord as a money-sucking socialist scheme and said he would battle to defeat it.
Stephen Harper derided the global treaty and questioned the science of climate change in a 2002 fundraising letter sent to members of his now-defunct Canadian Alliance party. With polls showing the environment is a top priority with voters and Harper keen to bolster his environmental credentials, the letter could prove embarrassing.
It was circulated Tuesday by the Liberals, who said it unmasks Harper as a climate-change denier.
"Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations," says the letter, signed by Harper.
"Implementing Kyoto will cripple the oil and gas industry, which is essential to the economies of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia . . .
"Workers and consumers everywhere in Canada will lose. THERE ARE NO CANADIAN WINNERS UNDER THE KYOTO ACCORD."
He also blasted the treaty for targeting carbon dioxide - which he said is "essential to life" - and played down the science of climate change as "tentative and contradictory."
Harper went on to promise a "battle of Kyoto" in hope of defeating the Chretien Liberals' efforts to implement the treaty legislation in the House of Commons.
"But we can't do it alone. It will take an army of Canadians to beat Kyoto, just as it did to beat (the) Charlottetown (constitutional accord)," he wrote.
These days, Harper avoids critcizing the Kyoto accord, and simply dismisses its targets as unattainable.
Kyoto calls for a six per cent cut in greenhouse gas emissions from 1990 levels by 2012. Canada's emission levels have risen 27 per cent since 1990.
The prime minister's office would not comment on the letter but pointed out that the emission levels occurred under the previous Liberal government.
Now, with public-opinion polls indicating that climate change is becoming a dominant political concern for Canadians, the prime minister is promising serious action.
He intends to introduce a vastly revamped version of his Clean Air Act in the coming months. The original legislation has been ridiculed by opponents and opinion-makers as a work in progress that fails to set reduction targets before 2050.
The Liberals said the letter proves Harper isn't serious about tackling climate change.
"It's no wonder Mr. Harper's sudden change of heart is hard for Canadians to swallow," said Liberal MP Mark Holland.
"Now, suddenly, because he has seen the polls and realized the political opportunism of going 'green,' the prime minister has launched a new campaign - that of trying to convince Canadians that he actually cares about the environment.
"Well, no one is buying it."
A new poll released to The Canadian Press suggests Canadians are indeed skeptical about the government's environmental commitment.
Sixty-four per cent of the 1,023 respondents in the Decima survey said they believe recent Tory announcements are being driven by polls rather than conviction.

The Liberals also came in for criticism on the climate-change file Tuesday.
The NDP, which convinced the Tories to rewrite their Clean Air Act, accused the Liberals of trying to delay the process at a special legislative committee.
The Liberals and Bloc succeeded in gaining a two-week extension that will push the deadline for the committee's work to March 30.
The NDP says that's because the Liberals want to make sure the new bill can't pass before the federal budget - a confidence item which could mean the defeat of the minority government.
"(Liberals) would prefer that nothing gets done in this Parliament with respect to the environment," said New Democrat MP Nathan Cullen.
"The Liberals are dedicated to the idea that they've got a one-trick pony as a leader. (Stephane Dion) must present an environmental cause to Canadians - and they are willing to sacrifice the environment in order for that political gain."
Text of a 2002 letter by Stephen Harper to members of his Canadian Alliance party denouncing the Kyoto accord:
Dear Friend,
We're on a roll, folks!
The Canadian Alliance is once again setting the agenda in the House of Commons. Look at what happened in less than two months since Parliament reopened:
-We bagged another Liberal cabinet minister when we drove the hapless Lawrence MacAulay to resign for violating the ethics guidelines.
-We broke Jean Chretien's chokehold on the House of Commons by getting the election of committee chairs and votes on all private members' bills.
-We finally (!) got the Liberals to agree to set up a national registry for sex offenders.
But we can't just relax and declare victory. We're gearing up for the biggest struggle our party has faced since you entrusted me with the leadership. I'm talking about the "battle of Kyoto" - our campaign to block the job-killing, economy-destroying Kyoto Accord.
It would take more than one letter to explain what's wrong with Kyoto, but here are a few facts about this so-called "Accord":
-It's based on tentative and contradictory scientific evidence about climate trends.
-It focuses on carbon dioxide, which is essential to life, rather than upon pollutants.
-Canada is the only country in the world required to make significant cuts in emissions. Third World countries are exempt, the Europeans get credit for shutting down inefficient Soviet-era industries, and no country in the Western hemisphere except Canada is signing.
-Implementing Kyoto will cripple the oil and gas industry, which is essential to the economies of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia.
-As the effects trickle through other industries, workers and consumers everywhere in Canada will lose. THERE ARE NO CANADIAN WINNERS UNDER THE KYOTO ACCORD.
-The only winners will be countries such as Russia, India, and China, from which Canada will have to buy "emissions credits." Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.
-On top of all this, Kyoto will not even reduce greenhouse gases. By encouraging transfer of industrial production to Third World countries where emissions standards are more relaxed, it will almost certainly increase emissions on a global scale.
For a long time, the Canadian Alliance stood virtually alone in opposing the Kyoto Accord, as Bob Mills, our senior environment critic, waged a valiant battle against it. Now, however, allies are stepping forward - eight of 10 provincial governments, and a broad coalition of businesses across Canada - to help us fight the "battle of Kyoto."
Jean Chretien says he will introduce a resolution to ratify Kyoto into Parliament and get it passed before Christmas. We will do everything we can to stop him there, but he might get it passed with the help of the socialists in the NDP and the separatists in the BQ.
But the "battle of Kyoto" is just beginning. Ratification is merely symbolic; Kyoto will not take effect unless and until it is implemented by legislation. We will go to the wall to stop that legislation and at that point we will be on much stronger procedural ground than in trying to block a mere resolution.
The Reform Party defeated the Charlottetown Accord in an epic struggle in the fall of 1992. Now the Canadian Alliance is leading the battle against the Kyoto Accord!
But we can't do it alone. It will take an army of Canadians to beat Kyoto, just as it did to beat Charlottetown.
We can't stop Kyoto just in Parliament. We need your help at all levels. We need you to inform yourself about Kyoto, to discuss it with your friends and neighbours, and to write protest letters to newspapers and the government.
And, yes, we need your gifts of money. The "battle of Kyoto" is going to lead directly into the next election. We need your contribution of $500, or $250, or $100, or whatever you can afford, to help us drive the Liberals from power.
Yours truly,
Stephen Harper, MP
Leader of the Opposition
PS: The "battle of Kyoto" shows why the Canadian Alliance is so important to you and to Canada. All the other federal parties are supporting Kyoto (Liberals, NDP, BQ) or speaking out of both sides of their mouth (Tories). Only the Canadian Alliance is strong and fearless enough to block dangerous and destructive schemes like the Charlottetown Accord and the Kyoto Accord.


Copyright © 2007 Canadian Press
 

TomG

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Oh well, yesterday it was attack election ads with no election in sight. Today he's a born again environmentalist. I wonder if our PM would be happier in southern climes, although if so he may have missed his moment with some very bad timing.
 

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Oh well, yesterday it was attack election ads with no election in sight. Today he's a born again environmentalist. I wonder if our PM would be happier in southern climes, although if so he may have missed his moment with some very bad timing.

I wish he would move to southern climates, and take his party with him.
 

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I wish he would move to southern climates, and take his party with him.

Hmmm. I am rather pleased with his government, so far. They seem to be sticking to their election promises, surprising for a Conservative!
 

ottawabill

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Hmmm. I am rather pleased with his government, so far. They seem to be sticking to their election promises, surprising for a Conservative!

Surprising??? don't think so..you are from Ontario....remember Harris. I don't care if anyone liked him or not....he did want he said he would do...thats what caught the other 2 parties off guard...they'd never seem it before.... Conservatives are more know for doing what they say..thats why everyone else is concerned by them..they actually raise to the occation.... Unlike the Liberals how say whatever to get elected then forget it all.....gst.... everything in the McGuinty plateform!!! remember!!!
 

ottawabill

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You know..it's no secret on these forums that I am conservative...but when Martin balanced books years ago and stopped stupid spending I applauded...saying to myself I don't like the liberals..I don't like that they stole conservative policies..but hell who cares they are doing them and thats what I wanted.....

Can't anyone on the Liberal or NDP end say the same about the new found enviromental policies of Harper or are we all to blind??
 

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You know..it's no secret on these forums that I am conservative...but when Martin balanced books years ago and stopped stupid spending I applauded...saying to myself I don't like the liberals..I don't like that they stole conservative policies..but hell who cares they are doing them and thats what I wanted....

:)I suppose somebody has to support that party...joking

Can't anyone on the Liberal or NDP end say the same about the new found enviromental policies of Harper or are we all to blind??


Blind? I'll have to do some reading, but my understanding so far is that the Harper government is failing in this area. I admit I could be wrong!
 

ottawabill

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the real unfortunate part is the politcal band wagon approach to all of this... It is over heated and over hyped about the enviroment..I don't mean the issue itself but how it's being played... this must focus on it will burn it out fast...

The polls say its a high priority so it is taken as such....if the economy goes south it will be removed from the table and replaced by job growth....

It's like hearing about it on e talk daily..hyped today forgotten tomorrow
 

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Harper can't stand dealing with climate change because he knows it involves a degree and form of government intervention that can't be provided by fascism, not that he won't try. For him it IS about jobs, after all. Don't forget to consult with industry (again), Steve.
:pukeright:

Hmmm. I am rather pleased with his government, so far. They seem to be sticking to their election promises, surprising for a Conservative!

heh. yeah. that's right. all that talk about leaving Income Trusts alone was just a bunch of words strung together. not your $15B++ anyways, right?
 

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Since Bush has recently been coming around to environmental issues, anyone could have guessed that Harper would soon be a "born again" environmentalist. Harper and his party have been dead set against Kyoto, but recent polls have shown where the people stand on this issue and Harper is scrambling to get onside with the electorate.
 

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Hence, the reason for the attack adds. I'm sure everyone is digging to find skeleton's in the closet now, and I'd bet heavilly that on this issue Harper has more.
 

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It really doesn't matter what party you are in favour of, the point is that he is right about the

Kyoto agreement, and if you studied the details of it, and how Canada was sucked in, and ripped off,

you would agree too. Just because you don't like the Harper government, isn't a reason to disagree

with "everything" they do and say.
 

MMMike

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It really doesn't matter what party you are in favour of, the point is that he is right about the

Kyoto agreement, and if you studied the details of it, and how Canada was sucked in, and ripped off,

you would agree too. Just because you don't like the Harper government, isn't a reason to disagree

with "everything" they do and say.

Kyoto is but a small first step. Not only should we do whatever is necessary to meet our obligations under Kyoto, we should be busy negotiating a stronger, better Kyoto II. Most of the criticism of Kyoto is founded on ignorance.
 

Vicious

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Kyoto is but a small first step. Not only should we do whatever is necessary to meet our obligations under Kyoto, we should be busy negotiating a stronger, better Kyoto II. Most of the criticism of Kyoto is founded on ignorance.

Of course you are leading the charge by parking your car and not heating your house/apartment.
 

Tonington

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I don't own a car, I walk or bike 3km one way to my university every day, rarely do I need a car for anything, and when I do I try to pool, if not I rent. How many people in their early twenties do you know that would willingly walk the 6-12 km a day that I do? As far as electricity and energy goes, I use very little in my appartment, but I have no choice in my provider, the Property owner pays my bill. Perhaps if incentives were sincere, Canadians might have a choice in who they buy there energy from.
 

Vicious

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So you are saying you are unwilling to change your ways until the government provides incentives. And I though you were committed to reducing green house gases. You know how many tons of C02 are released to heat a University?
 

ottawabill

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unfortunately Kyoto is all optics for Canada... We have gone so far about the levels set the year that the agreement was signed that we are no longer looking at a 6-8% reduction but more like a 20% reduction. We have to close every coal fired power plant to even start making a reduction.. The liberals did nothing as they headed toward their target dates... the agreement has no effect in the largest poluting countries..U.S. and China. The economic impacts would be great for this nation...shutting down of smelting and steel companies as they would move to other area of the world not impacted by the agreement...

People seem to forget that in this global age, business can be conducted somewhere else....

We all say we want a better enviroment but we all flock to discount dept. stores for cheap stuff made in China. Usually made with the thought of the enviroment or people..hence why it's all so cheap..

We'd do better to pay the cost of buying locally...i.e. your province or atleast North America and stop the waste of energy to ship rare material to China...produce some product and great enviromental cost then ship it all back here so we can have our 300 dollar T.V.'s

We go to stores in Vancouver, and buy cakes from groceries made in Halifax, while people in Halifax buy cakes made in Regina..rememer people this stuff is all trucked across the country....

We like to find a villan, Wal-mart, Inco Steel, hell McDonalds but we ourselves are the worst offenders, looking for cheap...looking for more, the most variety....It all comes at a great enviro cost...
 

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So you are saying you are unwilling to change your ways until the government provides incentives. And I though you were committed to reducing green house gases. You know how many tons of C02 are released to heat a University?

My university which uses bio fuel and the remains from the pulp industry? I'm not at all unwilling to change, the crux is I have no options here in Nova Scotia. The bulk of our power is coal and oil, and the power company is continually upping rates because of rising fuel prices. They've come down some now, but the rates remain high.
 

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Gelinas Firing is more denial of GW CC

Here is the link again to that letter [in original post on this thread] from Mr. Harper in 2002 [would he change his spots so completely so fast? - nooooo]
Link:
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/070130/n0130103A.html


the letter proves Harper isn't serious about tackling climate change.

he has seen the polls and realized the political opportunism of going 'green,'

Canadians, in a strong majority, realise the global warming is a serious threat, and they also recognise the financial opportunites of embracing a renewable energy economy instead of a fossil fuels based economy.

A majority of Canadians are also starting to see that resistance to "reducing emissions from fossil fuels" comes from an allegiance to the one sector that will lose if they do not change, the oil and gas industries, that oily corporate culture from which Mr.Harper gets the bulk of his political [money] support.

The firing of Gelinas as the Environment Commissioner is related to PM Harper's denial of climate change. This Environment Commissioner Johanne Gelinas, who is supposed to be independant from the ruling government of the day, was outspoken about climate change and fossil fuels emissions reductions:
Gelinas called on the Tory government to set short-term targets for cutting greenhouse emissions
Gelinas noted in the September report that greenhouse emissions from Alberta's oil sands could double between 2004 and 2015, and called for a strategy to deal with the problem.
And no, Gelinas was NOT fired "to pursue other opportunites" as Fraser said [lied] to media.
Liberal environment critic David McGuinty said Fraser made it clear to the environment committee at a private meeting Tuesday that she felt Gelinas had been taking on too much of an advocacy role
Those quotes from this link:
Firing of environment commissioner stirs political controversy
Tuesday, January 30, 2007

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/070130/n0130117A.html


So there can be no doubt of Harper's political interferance, with Shelia Frasers complicity, in an independant commissioner's firing, due to her stance on climate change which is shared by a majority of Canadians.

We can still save ourselves from the worst of climate change and extreme weather events by reducing fossil fuels emissions, but we are "very late". However, as long as we have the heavy influence of the oil industry and their champioin PM Harper in positions of power, we will not get the job done.

Finally, I would implore every Canadian to look at the wonderfull opportunities to re-build our economy to be more equal in its prosperity [no so many Elites wealthy people and more well off people] by embracing the renewable energy opportunities. Instead of a dominant polluting energy source, we could have "local roof-top type of power" that we can all take profits from or have clean cheap electricity and therby reduce our energy costs over the long term.

It WILL be better than paying the piper.
 
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Vicious

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My university which uses bio fuel and the remains from the pulp industry? I'm not at all unwilling to change, the crux is I have no options here in Nova Scotia. The bulk of our power is coal and oil, and the power company is continually upping rates because of rising fuel prices. They've come down some now, but the rates remain high.

That's the point I'm trying to make - no options. We all are bound by our responsibilities. I'm unwilling to entertain the option of letting my family freeze. I cannot afford to change my home heating to geo-thermal instead of the natural gas I currently use. Certainly not for a better world that is hundreds or thousands of years away.