Defence minister tells troops Afghan mission will continue until progress secure

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OROMOCTO, N.B. (CP) - Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor and Canada's military leaders gave the latest wave of troops headed for Afghanistan an emotional send-off Friday.

About 1,000 soldiers and their families gathered at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown for a patriotic pep rally that celebrated the military and its efforts in Afghanistan, where Canada has pledged to stay and fight until 2009.

O'Connor said the government has yet to decide whether Canada's contribution to the NATO mission will be extended beyond 2009.

"It depends on how much success we determine we've had there, whether there are other missions to do and the state of the Armed Forces," O'Connor said.

"We have to look at a whole lot of factors."

Of the roughly 2,500 troops heading to Afghanistan later this month for the latest rotation, close to 1,200 are coming from Atlantic Canadian units. Most of those soldiers will be from CFB Gagetown.

Gen. Rick Hillier, Chief of Defence Staff, said the soldiers

face clear danger as it is widely anticipated the Taliban leaders are planning a spring offensive.

"They (the Taliban) will still come after us with suicide bombers and IEDs (improvised explosive devices) but we don't believe they will use the conventional tactics they used last summer," Hillier said, adding those tactics caused heavy casualties for the Taliban.

"They will probably try to use more ambush and hit-and-run tactics."

Hillier and O'Connor said that while the threat to Canada's soldiers remains constant, they are clearly making prograss in terms of improving life in the war-torn country.

"We will support this mission until progress in Afghanistan becomes irreversible," the defence minister told the troops.

O'Connor said that by 2009, fighting the Afghan war will have cost Canada close to $4 billion.

But he rejected suggestions that the cost of the engagement is depleting the military's coffers to the extent that it cannot afford other important commitments.

Earlier this week, the navy's Atlantic branch cancelled a scheduled fisheries patrol and suspended overtime, certain types of travel and professional development because it had run out of money at the close of the fiscal year.

Although money was later found for the patrol, it raised questions about the military's financial footing.

O'Connor denied any such problems, adding the defence budget in Canada this year is $16 billion and will grow by another $1 billion next year.

"It's internal money management," he said.

"Every service, every element of the Armed Forces, got an increase . . . It's managing money. Everyone has a responsibility to manage money and if at some stage you make a decision that may not be appropriate, there are ways to solve the problem. You go to your boss and ask for more money."

The Gagetown rally was the latest in a series of special farewells for the troops, all of them accompanied by strong expressions of patriotism and support for the Afghan mission.

Earlier in the day, more than 2,000 people gathered on a field at the New Brunswick base, held up red placards and with a background of freshly fallen white snow, formed a huge Canadian flag.

Base officials say it was the largest Canadian flag in history.

Copyright © 2007 Canadian Press
 

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By Chris Morris

OROMOCTO, N.B. (CP) - Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor and Canada's military leaders gave the latest wave of troops headed for Afghanistan an emotional send-off Friday.

About 1,000 soldiers and their families gathered at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown for a patriotic pep rally that celebrated the military and its efforts in Afghanistan, where Canada has pledged to stay and fight until 2009.

O'Connor said the government has yet to decide whether Canada's contribution to the NATO mission will be extended beyond 2009.

"It depends on how much success we determine we've had there, whether there are other missions to do and the state of the Armed Forces," O'Connor said.

"We have to look at a whole lot of factors."

Of the roughly 2,500 troops heading to Afghanistan later this month for the latest rotation, close to 1,200 are coming from Atlantic Canadian units. Most of those soldiers will be from CFB Gagetown.

Gen. Rick Hillier, Chief of Defence Staff, said the soldiers

face clear danger as it is widely anticipated the Taliban leaders are planning a spring offensive.

"They (the Taliban) will still come after us with suicide bombers and IEDs (improvised explosive devices) but we don't believe they will use the conventional tactics they used last summer," Hillier said, adding those tactics caused heavy casualties for the Taliban.

"They will probably try to use more ambush and hit-and-run tactics."

Hillier and O'Connor said that while the threat to Canada's soldiers remains constant, they are clearly making prograss in terms of improving life in the war-torn country.

"We will support this mission until progress in Afghanistan becomes irreversible," the defence minister told the troops.

O'Connor said that by 2009, fighting the Afghan war will have cost Canada close to $4 billion.

But he rejected suggestions that the cost of the engagement is depleting the military's coffers to the extent that it cannot afford other important commitments.

Earlier this week, the navy's Atlantic branch cancelled a scheduled fisheries patrol and suspended overtime, certain types of travel and professional development because it had run out of money at the close of the fiscal year.

Although money was later found for the patrol, it raised questions about the military's financial footing.

O'Connor denied any such problems, adding the defence budget in Canada this year is $16 billion and will grow by another $1 billion next year.

"It's internal money management," he said.

"Every service, every element of the Armed Forces, got an increase . . . It's managing money. Everyone has a responsibility to manage money and if at some stage you make a decision that may not be appropriate, there are ways to solve the problem. You go to your boss and ask for more money."

The Gagetown rally was the latest in a series of special farewells for the troops, all of them accompanied by strong expressions of patriotism and support for the Afghan mission.

Earlier in the day, more than 2,000 people gathered on a field at the New Brunswick base, held up red placards and with a background of freshly fallen white snow, formed a huge Canadian flag.

Base officials say it was the largest Canadian flag in history.

Copyright © 2007 Canadian Press

He's lying as usual.:pukeright:
 

darkbeaver

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arent all political parties basically liars? and then we just choose which one we think will do the best despite their bs?

Yes, but, it is the citizens duty to select from the liars offered up the lesser liars. For pure crap the NGOC (new government of canada) excells above the usual norm of lying politicians in Canada
mainly because they are clones of American Republicanism which of course represents the apex of modern political horsepoop.:wave:
 

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I'm curious. What part of his statement is a lie? You offer up a pretty broad claim about a statement that covers numerous issues. Care to elaborate?
 

darkbeaver

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I'm curious. What part of his statement is a lie? You offer up a pretty broad claim about a statement that covers numerous issues. Care to elaborate?

Howdy Mogz, how ya doing, hope your well and able.

The whole article from begining to end is a blatant lie, O'Conner is a serpent, a slithering hissing cold blooded baby eating NewNeoCon member of the NGOC (new government of canada).:wave:
 

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I think the statement about how much the mission has cost was wrong. He said $4 Billion by 2009, in May of last year it was at $4.1 million. I guess we're allready seeing the effects of the cost, as the military hasn't managed their money well this year.
 

darkbeaver

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I think the statement about how much the mission has cost was wrong. He said $4 Billion by 2009, in May of last year it was at $4.1 million. I guess we're allready seeing the effects of the cost, as the military hasn't managed their money well this year.

And when the ligitamate accounting is done we'll find a grossly inflated cost for the pipeline protection expedition.:wave:
 

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Howdy Mogz, how ya doing, hope your well and able.

The whole article from begining to end is a blatant lie, O'Conner is a serpent, a slithering hissing cold blooded baby eating NewNeoCon member of the NGOC (new government of canada).:wave:

Now Beav......be nice.

Mr. O'Conner is a good man, an actual soldier, unlike the bloody bean-counter or the social engineer the Liberals had for a defense minister.

Unfortunately, the left doesn't deal with reality, only fantasy. We were attacked from Afghanistan. We could, I suppose, leave now that the Taliban is out of power, let them retake large parts of the country, set up new training bases, and send out hundreds of terrorists to strike at us again.

We couild abandon the Afghan people to the tender mercies of the Islamist loonies of the Taliban, a great percentage of which are not even Afghans.

Now then the left would be happy, their heads jammed deeply in the sand........or in other places unmentionable.
 

darkbeaver

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Now Beav......be nice.

Mr. O'Conner is a good man, an actual soldier, unlike the bloody bean-counter or the social engineer the Liberals had for a defense minister.

Unfortunately, the left doesn't deal with reality, only fantasy. We were attacked from Afghanistan. We could, I suppose, leave now that the Taliban is out of power, let them retake large parts of the country, set up new training bases, and send out hundreds of terrorists to strike at us again.

We couild abandon the Afghan people to the tender mercies of the Islamist loonies of the Taliban, a great percentage of which are not even Afghans.

Now then the left would be happy, their heads jammed deeply in the sand........or in other places unmentionable.

If the left dealt only with fantasy and not reality, why have billions and billions of dollars and millions of lives been expended by the empirialists in the last two centurys to stamp out a fantasy.
The dollar cost applied to the eradication of socialism indicates strongly in favour of the left being firmly in the realm of reality. You suggest that we were attacked from Afghanistan by Al-Kayda
with the support of the Taliban, this theory has no basis in reality thus sticking it firmly in the realm of fantasy. Far from abandoning the Afghans to the mercies of the Taliban we have decided to kill them ourselves by the thousands thus saving them from the evils of the godless barbarians.
If I were you , and that's an impossibility, rather than fret your life away worring about the Islamist hordes about to decend on your niegbourhood you should worry about the loonies who have informed the basis of your empty argument and not those:wave: ten thousand miles away.
Further to that I gaurantee to you that the Afghans will be abandoned even to a greater extent than they already have , the players in this Afghan action care nothing about the Afghan people, they do not exist in the boardrooms of the calculations of this war except in a public relations manner and there bull**** supstitutes to a far greater extent than actual benevolence.
 

darkbeaver

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Now Beav......be nice.

Mr. O'Conner is a good man, an actual soldier, unlike the bloody bean-counter or the social engineer the Liberals had for a defense minister.

Unfortunately, the left doesn't deal with reality, only fantasy. We were attacked from Afghanistan. We could, I suppose, leave now that the Taliban is out of power, let them retake large parts of the country, set up new training bases, and send out hundreds of terrorists to strike at us again.

We couild abandon the Afghan people to the tender mercies of the Islamist loonies of the Taliban, a great percentage of which are not even Afghans.

Now then the left would be happy, their heads jammed deeply in the sand........or in other places unmentionable.

If the left dealt only with fantasy and not reality, why have billions and billions of dollars and millions of lives been expended by the empirialists in the last two centurys to stamp out a fantasy.
The dollar cost applied to the eradication of socialism indicates strongly in favour of the left being firmly in the realm of reality. You suggest that we were attacked from Afghanistan by Al-Kayda
with the support of the Taliban, this theory has no basis in reality thus sticking it firmly in the realm of fantasy. Far from abandoning the Afghans to the mercies of the Taliban we have decided to kill them ourselves by the thousands thus saving them from the evils of the godless barbarians.
If I were you , and that's an impossibility, rather than fret your life away worring about the Islamist hordes about to decend on your niegbourhood you should worry about the loonies who have informed the basis of your empty argument and not those ten thousand miles away.
Further to that I gaurantee to you that the Afghans will be abandoned even to a greater extent than they already have , the players in this Afghan action care nothing about the Afghan people, they do not exist in the boardrooms of the calculations of this war except in a public relations manner and there bull**** supstitutes to a far greater extent than actual benevolence.:wave:
 

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Colpy: Warrior Philosopher…

“unlike the bloody bean-counter or the social engineer the Liberals had for a defense minister.”

We’ve probably disagreed more than we’ve agreed on topics here at CC, but on this point I’m fully in agreement with you .

I’m kind of surprised you haven’t addressed (or maybe you have and I missed it) the destructiveness of the Liberal “social engineering” that’s taken place in other facets of our social institutions… The idea that a smack on a child's bottom is “abuse” or that you can’t tell Johnny or Sally they “failed” a test because that would devastate their self-esteem…

Such hokey nonsense foisted off as postmodern enlightenment…
 

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I’m kind of surprised you haven’t addressed (or maybe you have and I missed it) the destructiveness of the Liberal “social engineering” that’s taken place in other facets of our social institutions… The idea that a smack on a child's bottom is “abuse” or that you can’t tell Johnny or Sally they “failed” a test because that would devastate their self-esteem…

Such hokey nonsense foisted off as postmodern enlightenment…

I have, but you would have to dig.

At one point in my vastly varied working life, I taught high school history. I came to realize two things:

1. I simply don't have the talent some do for teaching. Period.

2. Number one is my failing............number two is our education system SUCKS! I once took over a grade 10 "Maritime Studies" class in which the kids could not construct a coherent sentence, and didn't have a clue what a paragraph was. As the course was completely insipid, I tried to turn the class into a writing class.......and got slapped down by the administration for being too hard on the little darlings.

3. Don't get me going on class size, discipline, streaming etc............and the fact that ANYTHING controversial is untouchable in class.......let's raise them to be stupid and easily sated with sports, God forbid they gain an interest in politics or the world and form an opinion!

Anyway, you walked into that rant....... :) A small sore spot with me.

As for spanking, yep, I did it. So arrest me.
 

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If the left dealt only with fantasy and not reality, why have billions and billions of dollars and millions of lives been expended by the empirialists in the last two centurys to stamp out a fantasy.
The dollar cost applied to the eradication of socialism indicates strongly in favour of the left being firmly in the realm of reality. You suggest that we were attacked from Afghanistan by Al-Kayda
with the support of the Taliban, this theory has no basis in reality thus sticking it firmly in the realm of fantasy. Far from abandoning the Afghans to the mercies of the Taliban we have decided to kill them ourselves by the thousands thus saving them from the evils of the godless barbarians.
If I were you , and that's an impossibility, rather than fret your life away worring about the Islamist hordes about to decend on your niegbourhood you should worry about the loonies who have informed the basis of your empty argument and not those ten thousand miles away.
Further to that I gaurantee to you that the Afghans will be abandoned even to a greater extent than they already have , the players in this Afghan action care nothing about the Afghan people, they do not exist in the boardrooms of the calculations of this war except in a public relations manner and there bull**** supstitutes to a far greater extent than actual benevolence.:wave:

The fantasy that found roots in the communist world in the 20th century was that their could be an equalitarian society, as expressed in "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Unfortunately a large number of people fell for it...........including myself, when I was young. They murdered tens of millions of people trying to make it happen......20 million in the USSR, perhaps as many as 50 million in China, a few million in Kampuchea............and it all was for naught.

I'm not worried about the Islamist hordes descending on MY neighbourhood......we're doing a good job killing them off in Afghanistan. It would be nice if the Afghans had the same sense of security.

If the Afghans are abandoned immediately, it will be because those on the left lack the cojones for the fight, and are too self-centred to take anyone else's interests to heart.

Unfortunately, you may be right about the eventual abandonment of Afghanistan.....I would be very sorry.
 

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The fantasy that found roots in the communist world in the 20th century was that their could be an equalitarian society, as expressed in "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Unfortunately a large number of people fell for it...........including myself, when I was young. They murdered tens of millions of people trying to make it happen......20 million in the USSR, perhaps as many as 50 million in China, a few million in Kampuchea............and it all was for naught.

I'm not worried about the Islamist hordes descending on MY neighbourhood......we're doing a good job killing them off in Afghanistan. It would be nice if the Afghans had the same sense of security.

If the Afghans are abandoned immediately, it will be because those on the left lack the cojones for the fight, and are too self-centred to take anyone else's interests to heart.

Unfortunately, you may be right about the eventual abandonment of Afghanistan.....I would be very sorry.

Ah yes, communism. "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

The whole problem with communism was that any society you want to mention, needs a leader. In a communist system, the leader soon has God-like powers that are enforced by the miltary and there goes all the idealism that started the idea in the first place.
 

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Ah yes, communism. "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

The whole problem with communism was that any society you want to mention, needs a leader. In a communist system, the leader soon has God-like powers that are enforced by the miltary and there goes all the idealism that started the idea in the first place.

Agreed, but. In the present apex of capitalism (USA) the leader has god-like powers that are enforced by the military and the Corporate Security Complex.

If you look at all the failed socialist systems of all the various countrys who have tried to make socialism work you will find the overwhelming majority of them where destroyed by Uncle Sam and his corporate buddies. You will find very few who succumed to internal problems.:wave:
 

darkbeaver

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The fantasy that found roots in the communist world in the 20th century was that their could be an equalitarian society, as expressed in "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Unfortunately a large number of people fell for it...........including myself, when I was young. They murdered tens of millions of people trying to make it happen......20 million in the USSR, perhaps as many as 50 million in China, a few million in Kampuchea............and it all was for naught.

I'm not worried about the Islamist hordes descending on MY neighbourhood......we're doing a good job killing them off in Afghanistan. It would be nice if the Afghans had the same sense of security.

If the Afghans are abandoned immediately, it will be because those on the left lack the cojones for the fight, and are too self-centred to take anyone else's interests to heart.

Unfortunately, you may be right about the eventual abandonment of Afghanistan.....I would be very sorry.

It's a mistake for you to believe that the left lacks the will for a fight Colpy or that the left is responsible for the failure of the expiditions in Afghanistan and Iraq or that the left is responsible for the present rotten state of the western world, for the last two decades the right have been in power in the UK Canada and perpetually in the US. If the left is in any way responsible for the western mess it's beyond me how they could have subverted the will of duely elected representatives from the right. You should also objectivly look at the destruction of human life because of the policys of the United States both the direct and indirect toll is substantial.
While I believe that you would be sorry for the abandonment of Afghanistan I also believe that you would not wear your responsibility for it, rather you would blame the left and the liberals instead of those who dropped the bombs.:wave:
 

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While I believe that you would be sorry for the abandonment of Afghanistan I also believe that you would not wear your responsibility for it, rather you would blame the left and the liberals instead of those who dropped the bombs.:wave:

Actually, I would not completely blame the left. Some of the left want to get out right now, but I doubt the ability of the west (left OR right) to stand firm in the face of casualties and burgeoning expense over the long haul.

We simply don't care enough, and are too spoiled to make the sacrifices.

To our shame.