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By Dick Field
Wednesday, October 4, 2006

The Canadian left wing media of little conscience continues on its dangerous, overly zealous way of accusing the RCMP of incompetence and making Mr. Arar a pathetic downtrodden victim of our security police. Before everybody falls down on their knees in supplication and apologizes all over the place to Mr. Arar, perhaps we should all take a closer look at the situation.

First, and exceedingly strange, is the fact that our media has persuaded the public that Mr. Arar is an ordinary immigrant Canadian of Syrian descent. No, he is not an ordinary Canadian like most of us. He is a citizen of Canada and a citizen of Syria. For months this writer has tried verify this fact by listening to every newscast and reading every newspaper possible in order to find out if Mr. Arar was indeed a dual citizen but no luck, nary a mention. Why the silence? Why the mystery? Apparently, the fact was discussed early in the O'Connor Inquiry and then dropped, so there is no excuse for the media.

Some Canadians think that even if a person is the citizen of another country, being a Canadian citizen at the same time is perfectly OK. Their view is that the person is a Canadian citizen and as such, Canada is responsible for his treatment even in his own birth country in which he still holds citizenship. Is this not a very strange concept, particularly when the laws and practices in that person's other country may be radically different from our own? If the two countries laws are very different then which laws apply? Surely we would not allow that other country's laws to apply to the dual citizen while residing in Canada?
When Canada saw fit to give Mr. Arar Canadian citizenship, he had ample opportunity to drop his Syrian citizenship, but he chose not to cancel it. Canada did not require him to do so. Why not? Is Canada therefore partly responsible for Mr. Arar's bad decision by allowing him to retain his Syrian citizenship?
Mr. Arar knew the torture practices in his own country, so we should ask Mr. Arar why he risked keeping his Syrian citizenship. Certainly by retaining his Syrian citizenship, Mr. Arar must be partly responsible for his own misfortunes, even if he is totally innocent.

Before he was arrested at the John F. Kennedy Airport, New York in 2002, Mr. Arar was under suspicion by our authorities. It turns out, according to the O'Connor Inquiry, that those suspicions were unfounded. Based on these findings, Mr. Arar has publicly declared that he has been found innocent and given a "Not Guilty" verdict!

By what right does he make that claim? The O'Connor Inquiry was not a court of law. It was a legally constituted inquiry. There was no tough cross-examination of witnesses as required in a court of law, no challenging of evidence, no introduction of facts as yet unknown etc. At best, Mr. Arar has been freed of taint and is able to resume his life in Canada. The RCMP have apologized to him, the Parliament of Canada has apologized to him, which means that all Canadians have been forced to apologize to Mr. Arar.
Now let's look at things from an American anti-terrorism official's point of view. They received information from the RCMP that cast suspicion on Mr. Arar. When he arrived in New York, the US authorities apprehended him. Apparently, the RCMP had forwarded the corrected information (their information was incorrect) to the US authorities before Mr. Arar was sent back to Syria but the information was not acted upon.

However, the American authorities knew that Mr. Arar, as well as having Canadian citizenship, was a citizen of Syria, his birth country. The Americans, still smarting from the 9/11, 2001 disaster and the near miss in December 1999, when yet another terrorist from Canada, Ahmed Ressam, an Algierian, had been luckily arrested on the west coast by a US border officer with a trunk load of explosives in his car. Ressam was on the way to blow up the Los Angeles airport. They also knew that Ressam had conspired with his bomb maker when they both lived in Montreal.

It doesn't take a genius to know what they would decide to do, incorrect information or not, which is what any of us would do; send him back to his home country, Syria, ASAP. Never mind rendition, just get him as far from the US and Canada as possible. A contributing factor may have also have been that Mr. Arar had just arrived in New York from Algeria, another terrorist producing country and the home country of Ahmed Ressam.

One may sympathize with Mr. Arar and his family. This writer certainly does or did, even though he is partially the author of his own misfortune but when we hear that he is suing Canada, which made every effort to get him out of Syria, for $400,000,000 that's bordering on financial terrorism. Four hundred million or almost half a billion of our hard-earned taxed dollars, that is more than a bit much to take! This is a loyal Canadian?

This looks like nothing more than selfish revenge upon all of us!

Well perhaps this is just a negotiating amount, a highball amount? Who's kidding whom? This ridiculous sum tells any thinking person that there is another agenda here and it is not about fairness. This man has lost this writer's sympathy.

Just to put things in perspective, David Milgaard, a real Canadian citizen, not a divided-loyalty citizen, spent 23 years in our steel and concrete penitentiaries, almost a third of a lifetime before he was declared falsely imprisoned and innocent by means of DNA evidence. He and his family suffered years in humiliation, financial and legal drain, the frustration of being innocent and everyone denying your word. Suffering God knows what indignities in our prisons and suffering psychological trauma of the worst kind. Twenty three years! And all throughout those many years his mother waged a valiant and frustrating battle, even to get his case reviewed or finding anyone in government to listen. That horror far exceeds anything done by Syria to Mr. Arar.

Compared to the suffering of Mr. Arar, Mr. Milgaard should have sued for a billion dollars! Mr. Arar's one year imprisonment, in his own "other" country, with no permanent damage caused by the torture he claimed was inflicted upon him pales by comparison.

Mr. Milgaard wound up receiving compensation just one fortieth of the $400,000,000 amount for which Mr. Arar is suing our country? Mr. Milgaard received a paltry $10,000,000 for his 23 years in jail and some officials thought that was too much! There are a number of other Canadians who also spent many years in jail for murder, later to be found innocent and released. None received compensation even close to Mr. Milgaard's settlement.

So overall, it would seem that Mr. Arar needs to get a dose of reality! And we should take another more careful look at what we are dealing with here.

Our morally defunct and brain-dead leftist media and many of our left wing politicians need to smarten up and tell the people the facts of the case. It might also be wiser for those of us who see Mr. Arar as a "martyr," as portrayed by the media, to put ourselves in the shoes of the US and Canadian authorities who were at that time and now today desperately trying to protect us from fanatic mass murderers.

This citizen thinks that the very least our government should require of Mr. Arar is to cancel his Syrian citizenship and we should refuse to negotiate with him until he becomes a real 100% Canadian. At that time, and not before, Mr. Harper would also be justified in apologizing to him and his family and offer him some settlement in keeping with that of other wrongly convicted 100% Canadians.

Maybe too, the leftist mass media pundits, never short of politically motivated opinions, should also start asking why Canada gives dual citizenship to the citizens of countries whose laws and police practices are so vastly different from our own. And while they are at it they might also question why citizenship is given at all to any person applying from terrorist-producing countries. Then again, maybe it is up to all of us to ask these questions of our political leaders, especially in these critically dangerous times.

Former editor of the Voice of Canadian Committees and the Montgomery Tavern Society, Dick Field is a World War II veteran, who served in combat with the Royal Canadian Artillery, Second Division, 4th Field Regiment in Belgium, Holland and Germany as a 19-year-old gunner and forward observation signaller working with the infantry. Field also spent six months in the occupation army in Northern Germany and after the war became a commissioned officer in the Armoured Corps, spending a further six years in the Reserves. Dick can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com
 

sanch

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Why should Arar give up his dual citizenship if it is allowed by Canadian law? The case still is that the RCMP knowingly sent wrong information to the FBI about Arar and he was shipped to Syria where he was tortured. It seems whatever compensation he is seeking is up to him. Canada is supposed to a free country but this rant makes it appear that it should be more authoritarian.
 

MikeyDB

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Sanch

Every witch-hunt requires a witch. Did you see this witch casting spells?
No

Did this witch break the law in some manner that brought attention upon himself?

No

Have you conducted tests and reviewed all available information to determine if this witch is a witch or not?

Yes

And if all the evidence now informing you that this witch isn't really a witch after-all is less dependable than all the evidence amassed initially that suggested this witch is a witch?

No

Then what's the problem?

That witch is a witch and it doesn't matter one bit whether there's evidence verifying "witchness" one way or the other.

Be afraid be very afraid.
 

CDNBear

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Why should Arar give up his dual citizenship if it is allowed by Canadian law? The case still is that the RCMP knowingly sent wrong information to the FBI about Arar and he was shipped to Syria where he was tortured. It seems whatever compensation he is seeking is up to him. Canada is supposed to a free country but this rant makes it appear that it should be more authoritarian.

I will have to check, but I'm pretty sure it is actually against Canadian law to hold two Passports.

At the time, the RCMP believed the information they to be true. They failed to pass on the correct info, when it came to light.
 
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MikeyDB

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Yes when I stop to reflect...

Our trusted good friends and neighbors below the 49th parallel managed to cost the taxpayers of this nation a billion dollars....

Is the man who spent this money a good friend to Canada if you want to just limit this little prsumption of guilt exercise on a man exonerated as a terrorist by the authorities that held an inquiry to examine the whole affair on the basis of dollars alone but there are many finer ways to impugn a mans dignity than calling him a greedy politician or industrialist or TV Evangelist...

you can call him a terrorist....on a public forum on the internet and I'll bet there are lots of Syrians Egyptians and many others who'd love to have the same opportunity but from a different perspective.
 

Sassylassie

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The Blame sits with the RCMP, leave the Deva attitude at the door Mikey. Enough of the foolishness. This was and is an innocent man, he's suffered enough without you using him to further your hatred of the US. You do this man an injustice by your foaming at the mouth anti-US propaganda, he's suffered enough find another thread to beat up Mericans. How about going back to "Your Forum" and spewing your hatred?
 

MikeyDB

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I believe that a great deal of social turmoil unrest and agitation is product of targetted manipulation of media by many different elements. Efforts to bring a sense of urgency to particular and specific events or phenomenon but in a manner that engenders fear instead of prudence.
 

MikeyDB

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Of course he is innocent Sassy I do wish you weren't so two dimensional.

The RCMP CSIS Stockwell Day and Guliano Zacardelli should be held responsible by the people of this nation for not only th money that Mr. Arar may receive but for mismanaging the security of our nation.
 

MikeyDB

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When whatever settlement is agreed upon by Mr. Arar and TPB the only people being held responsible will be the taxpayers of this country.

Maybe you can tell me how voting for some different suit will solve this and an overwhelming number of issues that demonstrate the incompetence and mismanagement of this nations government while folk here want to yammer on about Liberals and Conservatives and “parties”.

When these peoples malfeasance doesn’t hit you at the gas pump or shock you at the check-out passing through the supermarket, or capture your attention when “news” is dead bodies returning from your latest affirmation of your most recent “choice”, maybe it will dawn on people that the damage done is done in their name and with their authority.

Damage that is as real as dead bodies and crippled children right now while we lob witticisms across cyber-space….

But this is after all is said and done exactly what Canadians want because at the end of the day these are the people the majority voted for….right?
 

catman

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Just to put things in perspective, David Milgaard, a real Canadian citizen, not a divided-loyalty citizen, spent 23 years in our steel and concrete penitentiaries, almost a third of a lifetime before he was declared falsely imprisoned and innocent by means of DNA evidence. He and his family suffered years in humiliation, financial and legal drain, the frustration of being innocent and everyone denying your word. Suffering God knows what indignities in our prisons and suffering psychological trauma of the worst kind. Twenty three years! And all throughout those many years his mother waged a valiant and frustrating battle, even to get his case reviewed or finding anyone in government to listen. That horror far exceeds anything done by Syria to Mr. Arar.

Mr.Arar was TORTURED for two years. I hope this article was not reproduced in any credible newspaper. It creats the stereotype that all old people are old reactionary rednecks.
 

MattUK

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Can I ask how you would feel if this conversation was the other way round. I know nothing of this case, its just your views interest me.

What if Mr A HAD been a terrorist of some sort, and, even though your government had 'some' intelligence, they decided that it was not enough to do anything about, therefore they just left him alone.

A week later, Mr A detonates a Nuke in the middle of Vancouver or somewhere else in Canada.

Is that the governments fault for not doing enough too? Are they in a position where they are damned if they do, and damned if they dont?

We got a lot over here when the police go in and attack houses, have huge raids, shoot people who wont stop etc, and every time they are wrong, they get a beating for it from the media and the public. But I just always think - what if they were right? What it they just saved a million people from getting blown up?

No government or police authority will get everything right - you have to allow a number of mistakes so that the correct results can also come in.
 

fuzzylogix

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What a pile of crap rhetorical spin doctoring, ITN.

Oh, now we should blame Herar because he has dual citizenship and this somehow implies that he must have been against Canada or he should have given up his Syrian citizenship. No, it is NOT illegal to hold dual citizenship in Canada. Just because the US insists on allegiance to the US at the expense of any other citizenship, dont try to use that against Canada. Why should people not be able to have allegiance to two or more countries????

Oh, and the RCMP gave incorrect information? Oh gee, I guess Herar shouldn't MIND that it was all just a mistake and that he got separated from his family and got tortured. Oh DO GET OVER it Herar, and stop being so ANTI- Canadian in complaining about the RCMP (and for those of you who are dimwitted, this is SARCASM)

Oh, and the US were being KIND in sending him back to his country of origin that he so loved because he had citizenship there. Oh, they didnt think that maybe he would PREFER to go back to his HOME in the country in which he was living??????



ITN, you can spin it all you want. That article tries to justify the actions of the RCMP and the US by creating HATE against someone who has dual citizenship.
 

BitWhys

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"Certainly by retaining his Syrian citizenship, Mr. Arar must be partly responsible for his own misfortunes, even if he is totally innocent."
 

Logic 7

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By Dick Field
Wednesday, October 4, 2006

The Canadian left wing media of little conscience continues on its dangerous, overly zealous way of accusing the RCMP of incompetence and making Mr. Arar a pathetic downtrodden victim of our security police. Before everybody falls down on their knees in supplication and apologizes all over the place to Mr. Arar, perhaps we should all take a closer look at the situation.




First of all, yes RCMP are a bunch of incompetent, making arar life a hell withouth any single reason, except hatred towards muslim, second of all, i clearly remember seeing on the Board rules, when you post articles you have to add your opinion, why everytime you post an article, there isnt a single opinion, do you have your own opinion on it? do you have in general an opinion, except those who are dictates to you by those right wing nuts?