It's time to bring the death penalty back!

life in prision isn't easy"

Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

I hardly trust our government with a budget, death penalty... no thanks.

Hey, Just thought I would take this opportunity to ask all of you who are obviously fed up with our "slap 'em on the wrist" justice philosophy, to visit -- and help us keep the pedophiles in jail!

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Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Then you would back my new fascist party?

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Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

I'll support that on one condition...if we execute an innocent person, you volunteer to go to the gallows on behalf of society.

Seriously though, the death penalty is only a deterrent to those for whom life in prison is a deterrent. Other than the revenge factor, the only thing we get out of capital punishment is the possibility of killing innocent people.

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I hardly trust our government with a budget, death penalty... no thanks.

Exactly. I oppose the death penalty not out of sympathy for killers, but the realization that our justice system is not only not flawless, but frighteningly flawed. I can't imagine anything worse than sitting on death row for something you didn't do.

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Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

I'll support that on one condition...if we execute an innocent person, you volunteer to go to the gallows on behalf of society.

Seriously though, the death penalty is only a deterrent to those for whom life in prison is a deterrent. Other than the revenge factor, the only thing we get out of capital punishment is the possibility of killing innocent people.

Quote: Originally Posted by shannon

Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Then you would back my new fascist party?

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Quote: Originally Posted by shannon

Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Then you would back my new fascist party?

Shucks no. Why would capital punishment have anything to do with fascism? For example, Singapore, which has the death penalty, is a fully developed democratic country. You surely don't see no fascists there.

Hate to wreck my right-wing looney credentials, but crime in Canada is hardly "out of control". we live in an amazingly peaceful society

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Quote: Originally Posted by Simpleton

Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

I'll support that on one condition...if we execute an innocent person, you volunteer to go to the gallows on behalf of society.

Seriously though, the death penalty is only a deterrent to those for whom life in prison is a deterrent. Other than the revenge factor, the only thing we get out of capital punishment is the possibility of killing innocent people.

You forgot the most important aspect of the death penalty. It brings justice to the victims family members.

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Quote: Originally Posted by shannon

Capital Punishment in this country is long overdue.

I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury.

Then you would back my new fascist party?

Shucks no. Why would capital punishment have anything to do with fascism? For example, Singapore, which has the death penalty, is a fully developed democratic country. You surely don't see no fascists there.

Tell that to Canadian liberals. They do not differentiate between the two. I am surprised you are but one person aside from myself who realises this.

Quote: Originally Posted by SaintLuciferQuote: Originally Posted by shannonQuote: Originally Posted by SaintLuciferQuote: Originally Posted by shannonCapital Punishment in this country is long overdue.
I would definitely reinstate it for convicted serial killers, no questions asked. First degree murder convictions would need to be looked at on a case by case basis, along with any recommendations by the jury. Then you would back my new fascist party?Shucks no. Why would capital punishment have anything to do with fascism? For example, Singapore, which has the death penalty, is a fully developed democratic country. You surely don't see no fascists there. Tell that to Canadian liberals. They do not differentiate between the two. I am surprised you are but one person aside from myself who realises this.Say what? Only one person in this entire thread equates fascism with capital punishment. Are you attempting to form some elite group based entirely...

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I watched a movie a little while ago, and there was a line in that movie that really made me think. The line was, "give people freedom, and they choose to be slaves."

Made me think, it did. Made me think about how true it is. Most people are so oblivious to the fact that their true freedoms are an illusion. True in that the mirage of freedom, the perception of freewill, the illusion of choice, is enough to keep people subserviant. How ironic.

Take, for example, a media empire that will champion the cause of free speech. Taken to its extreme, such a media empire would defend its right to free speech to the extent that it would preclude any other entity from speaking critically of it. Fascism? Absolutely! Yet, in the view of many brainwashed souls, it's perceived as freedom.

Freedom? Is there a dictionary on this planet that adequately defines the word in moron-speak? I'm looking for one to offer as a Xmas present to a certain someone.

Now I'm going to be seen as a contrarian, but it is simply not so that the USA has a higher crime rate than Canada. Actually, the rate of robberies, break-ins, and non-violent crime is less in the USA.

Edited to say..........Sorry, the worst murder rate is in Nunavut, with 13.5 per 100,000. NWT has ONLY 9.5 per 100,000. (2004) Canada wide rate was 2.0 per 100,000.

Even more interestingly, high murder rates in the USA are concentrated in inner cities. The highest murder rate in any state/province is in the Northwest Territories. If you walked the border out west between the USA and Canada, believe it or not, the murder rate is typically LOWER in the border state than in the Canadian province.

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Now I'm going to be seen as a contrarian, but it is simply not so that the USA has a higher crime rate than Canada. Actually, the rate of robberies, break-ins, and non-violent crime is less in the USA.

Edited to say..........Sorry, the worst murder rate is in Nunavut, with 13.5 per 100,000. NWT has ONLY 9.5 per 100,000. (2004) Canada wide rate was 2.0 per 100,000.

Even more interestingly, high murder rates in the USA are concentrated in inner cities. The highest murder rate in any state/province is in the Northwest Territories. If you walked the border out west between the USA and Canada, believe it or not, the murder rate is typically LOWER in the border state than in the Canadian province.

Here is a table of the 2003 crime rate for every states in the USA.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/xl/03tbl05.xls

You will notice that the states with the highest murder rates (Georgia, Maryland, Illinois, South Carolina, Mississipi, Louisiana, Arizona, Nevada etc) all have the death penalty.

So like I've said, it's obviously not working as a deterrent.

Our system in Canada is far from being perfect but there is nothing more easy than to point out to a few high profile cases and say that our system is worth ****.

It sure works in China and it worked in the Soviet Union. Criminals were far too frightened to commit crimes. If I were to institute death squads against entire murderous gangs do you honestly believe there would be no drop in violence? Try 0%. I seriously believe a Gestapo-like force is necessary as long as they are controlled by a strong fascist government committed to the State. As murderers are contrary to the State they need to have their lives extinguished from said State.

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It sure works in China and it worked in the Soviet Union. Criminals were far too frightened to commit crimes. If I were to institute death squads against entire murderous gangs do you honestly believe there would be no drop in violence? Try 0%. I seriously believe a Gestapo-like force is necessary as long as they are controlled by a strong fascist government committed to the State. As murderers are contrary to the State they need to have their lives extinguished from said State.

You're being a funny guy right? A gestapo like force, what a great idea, A ''Shoot first, ask questions later'' ''Shoot them all and let God sort them out'' kind of thing. Not sure i would want to live in the kind of country you have in mind. I don't think there is many civilized countries out there that have a ''gestapo-like force''.

Who said anything about a shoot first ask questions later scenario? No doubt the areas where these security forces would be sent will be heavily-investigated. Those Gestapo forces will then learn the identity of every single gang member and told if necessary to defend oneself, shoot on sight. Such individuals cannot be tolerated as they are killing many innocent Canadians (Jane Kreba) and they must be made to pay for these crimes. No trials. Save the State the time and trouble by simply blowing them away on our streets. Do you think any law-abiding Canadians are going to complain? Absolutely not. So what exactly is your problem with my solution? The mailed fist of force is necessary to clean up our crime mess and you know it. I for one am willing to take that first step to ensure it happens.

Quote: Who said anything about a shoot first ask questions later scenario? No doubt the areas where these security forces would be sent will be heavily-investigated. Those Gestapo forces will then learn the identity of every single gang member and told if necessary to defend oneself, shoot on sight. Such individuals cannot be tolerated as they are killing many innocent Canadians (Jane Kreba) and they must be made to pay for these crimes. No trials. Save the State the time and trouble by simply blowing them away on our streets. Do you think any law-abiding Canadians are going to complain? Absolutely not. So what exactly is your problem with my solution? The mailed fist of force is necessary to clean up our crime mess and you know it. I for one am willing to take that first step to ensure it happens.Whatever... Your whole idea is a very simplistic solution to a very complex problem. Using force only is not the way to go in my view. Those people mostly come from poor, screwed up families in a screwed up neighboorhood, I don't think using force against them will help them get better. I think some of them are recuperable given proper guidance. I do agree that repeat offenders, people who will obviously never get better should be dealt with more severity than it is the case now.

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These are people who consider it cool to bust a cap in your ass yet you feel pity for them? Absolutely not. No sympathy. Death is the answer. They kill someone they will die too. You may rest assured my methods would sweep our streets of crime. Once that has been completed people will learn fascism is a valid ideology. Why? I would not have anyone to whom to answer. If I felt it necessary to pass a policy that may benefit my country then it will be passed. No yakking in the goddamned House of Commons. It would be shut the *censored* up we are doing it end of discussion. In fact it would not even be that. I would simply give the order and it gets down.

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These are people who consider it cool to bust a cap in your ass yet you feel pity for them? Absolutely not. No sympathy. Death is the answer. They kill someone they will die too. You may rest assured my methods would sweep our streets of crime. Once that has been completed people will learn fascism is a valid ideology. Why? I would not have anyone to whom to answer. If I felt it necessary to pass a policy that may benefit my country then it will be passed. No yakking in the goddamned House of Commons. It would be shut the *censored* up we are doing it end of discussion. In fact it would not even be that. I would simply give the order and it gets down.

Heil Hitler to that!

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It sure works in China and it worked in the Soviet Union. Criminals were far too frightened to commit crimes. If I were to institute death squads against entire murderous gangs do you honestly believe there would be no drop in violence? Try 0%. I seriously believe a Gestapo-like force is necessary as long as they are controlled by a strong fascist government committed to the State. As murderers are contrary to the State they need to have their lives extinguished from said State.

You're being a funny guy right? A gestapo like force, what a great idea, A ''Shoot first, ask questions later'' ''Shoot them all and let God sort them out'' kind of thing. Not sure i would want to live in the kind of country you have in mind. I don't think there is many civilized countries out there that have a ''gestapo-like force''.

It is time to bring the death penalty back to Canada. Crime is out of control, and people just aren't getting the message. It is widely accepted that jail time is not an adequate deterrant.

Canada needs to bring back public hangings. A public execution is the only way to ensure that people get the picture.

The time for playing games with justice is over. I propose that Canada bring the death penalty back, and that the scope of crimes punishable by death, be expanded to include corrupt police officers and government officials.

A police officer or civil servant that conspires with private enterprise to commit crime and to cover it up, must face the ultimate penalty. They must be executed in the public square.

It is time to get serious. It is time to leave the words behind and get things done. Corruption cannot and will not be tolerated, and the only good deterrant is death.

Throughout history, kings and corrupt government officials have been beheaded for betraying the people. With the advent of democracy, this insistence that officials be held accountable to the people, has been somehow lost. It's time to bring accountability back to Canada. It's time to bring back the gallows, gas chambers, guilotines, and electric chairs. It's time to rid Canada of corruption. And the time tested public execution is the way to do it.

Off with their heads...