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Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,786 
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
July 9th, 2006, 01:26 PM
Well I don't think the USA really cares either if we are a republic or a con-Monarchy.
Some links about Canadian Republicism. (none of which are the offical website of the movements, only information)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Republicanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_...adian_monarchy
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LoL...
I mean, what else could they want? 
Well I don't think the USA really cares either if we are a republic or a con-Monarchy.
Some links about Canadian Republicism. (none of which are the offical website of the movements, only information)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Republicanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_...adian_monarchy
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
July 9th, 2006, 01:27 PM
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Paul Martin lost an actual motion of non-confidence put forward by the opposition parties, resulting in a new election (which he called of course, not that he had a choice). If it was a 'real' election, people would still vote for the same people for the same reasons i.e Conservatives=Hilter NDP=Stalin and so on. However, if he's a theiving crook, the majority obviously voted the right way.
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That isn't true. If we had a bad Liberal leader ( like we did have) people would still vote liberal simply because they feel Conservatives are evil and the NDP are no good. Ofcourse eventually they had had enough but by then things were so screwed up that it *censored* over the new liberal leader. Which brings me to another point about the American system. I would love to have a system like that, where we can vote for our PM insted of voting for MPs and then which ever group gets the most is in power.
That isn't true. If we had a bad Liberal leader ( like we did have) people would still vote liberal simply because they feel Conservatives are evil and the NDP are no good. Ofcourse eventually they had had enough but by then things were so screwed up that it *censored* over the new liberal leader. Which brings me to another point about the American system. I would love to have a system like that, where we can vote for our PM insted of voting for MPs and then which ever group gets the most is in power.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,927
July 9th, 2006, 01:27 PM
you've got Tim Horton's, it's wendy's dude, even I knew that!!!.
And I know there are republics in the commonwealth (like india)..and the healthcare bit isnt a cheaptrick...it's a common thing for conservatives to try and privatise healthcare, so actually it's not really relevent which system you use...your right.
Er yes actually, the monarchy effectivly is the difference between canada and the US, not so much today, but as I say, forget ur past, forget everything.
you've got Tim Horton's, it's wendy's dude, even I knew that!!!.
And I know there are republics in the commonwealth (like india)..and the healthcare bit isnt a cheaptrick...it's a common thing for conservatives to try and privatise healthcare, so actually it's not really relevent which system you use...your right.
Er yes actually, the monarchy effectivly is the difference between canada and the US, not so much today, but as I say, forget ur past, forget everything.
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
July 9th, 2006, 01:30 PM
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You can have Tim's. Us real coffee drinkers dont' bother with that swill. And since we're making wish lists, I'll take a sea side mansion in California, with an overflowing pool.......and man servants, naked of course!
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Your oil, your water, Tim Hortons maybe.
I mean, what else could they want?
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,927
July 9th, 2006, 01:30 PM
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#Juan me old sparrow, read my posts, I completly agree, I've been completly agreeing since the start....although I did vote yes
Has anyone yet said what is wrong with the system we have?
Canada is respected in most of the world. Canada has performed with excellence in two world wars and in Korea. Our economy is probably stronger than most of the G-7. What is wrong with our system of government?
Canada is respected in most of the world. Canada has performed with excellence in two world wars and in Korea. Our economy is probably stronger than most of the G-7. What is wrong with our system of government?
Hall of Fame Member
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Location: The Evil Empire
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July 9th, 2006, 01:33 PM
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I stopped drinking coffee, my British roots have recently embraced tea. Speaking of which, it's tea time!
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You can have Tim's. Us real coffee drinkers dont' bother with that swill. And since we're making wish lists, I'll take a sea side mansion in California, with an overflowing pool.......and man servants, naked of course!
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Your oil, your water, Tim Hortons maybe.
I mean, what else could they want?
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
July 9th, 2006, 01:35 PM
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Tea is for wussies!
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I stopped drinking coffee, my British roots have recently embraced tea. Speaking of which, it's tea time!
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You can have Tim's. Us real coffee drinkers dont' bother with that swill. And since we're making wish lists, I'll take a sea side mansion in California, with an overflowing pool.......and man servants, naked of course!
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Your oil, your water, Tim Hortons maybe.
I mean, what else could they want?
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,786
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
July 9th, 2006, 01:37 PM
Either way Republic or con-Monarchy, the changes will only be slight. Our current PM is a Conservative Monarchist. However from what I've seen in the Liberal leadership race we may have another Republican as PM of Canada if Harper doesn't win the next election. However as I said before, I highly doubt a Republican as PM will mean we are going to move towards a Republic, as it is not an issue in Canada which is seen as immportant. In fact the status quo for Monarchists and Republicans seem to be the in thing. Republicans politicians seem to be generally happy inching towards a republican system, slowly. Monarchists don't seem to make a big beaf about the inching. But they make a big stir when a politician openly says we should be a republic.
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Republicans are not automatically Conservative. You are confusing the Republican Party of the USA which is generally a conservative party, to that of the Republican movement. Republicans can be anything, socialist, capitalist, Social Democratic, Liberal whatever.
you've got Tim Horton's, it's wendy's dude, even I knew that!!!.
And I know there are republics in the commonwealth (like india)..and the healthcare bit isnt a cheaptrick...it's a common thing for conservatives to try and privatise healthcare, so actually it's not really relevent which system you use...your right.
Er yes actually, the monarchy effectivly is the difference between canada and the US, not so much today, but as I say, forget ur past, forget everything.
And I know there are republics in the commonwealth (like india)..and the healthcare bit isnt a cheaptrick...it's a common thing for conservatives to try and privatise healthcare, so actually it's not really relevent which system you use...your right.
Er yes actually, the monarchy effectivly is the difference between canada and the US, not so much today, but as I say, forget ur past, forget everything.
Either way Republic or con-Monarchy, the changes will only be slight. Our current PM is a Conservative Monarchist. However from what I've seen in the Liberal leadership race we may have another Republican as PM of Canada if Harper doesn't win the next election. However as I said before, I highly doubt a Republican as PM will mean we are going to move towards a Republic, as it is not an issue in Canada which is seen as immportant. In fact the status quo for Monarchists and Republicans seem to be the in thing. Republicans politicians seem to be generally happy inching towards a republican system, slowly. Monarchists don't seem to make a big beaf about the inching. But they make a big stir when a politician openly says we should be a republic.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,927
July 9th, 2006, 01:47 PM
exactly.....but I was thinking of the con's over here, I think, to be honest there isnt really a more pro-monarcist country within the commonwealth than canada and I think the result would probably be no.
I think to be honest, if the UK are gonna become more integrated with the EU anyway, we could sell you a queen going cheap.....she was gonna be moved to canada if we lost the war anyway!!
exactly.....but I was thinking of the con's over here, I think, to be honest there isnt really a more pro-monarcist country within the commonwealth than canada and I think the result would probably be no.
I think to be honest, if the UK are gonna become more integrated with the EU anyway, we could sell you a queen going cheap.....she was gonna be moved to canada if we lost the war anyway!!
Bright Spark
Posts: 324
Location: calgary,ab
Location: calgary,ab
July 9th, 2006, 01:48 PM
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The conservatives are just as evil. Then there is the NDP.... personally I just see Jack as a big joke. I can't see him running our country.
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Paul Martin lost an actual motion of non-confidence put forward by the opposition parties, resulting in a new election (which he called of course, not that he had a choice). If it was a 'real' election, people would still vote for the same people for the same reasons i.e Conservatives=Hilter NDP=Stalin and so on. However, if he's a theiving crook, the majority obviously voted the right way.
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That isn't true. If we had a bad Liberal leader ( like we did have) people would still vote liberal simply because they feel Conservatives are evil and the NDP are no good. Ofcourse eventually they had had enough but by then things were so screwed up that it *censored* over the new liberal leader. Which brings me to another point about the American system. I would love to have a system like that, where we can vote for our PM insted of voting for MPs and then which ever group gets the most is in power.
That isn't true. If we had a bad Liberal leader ( like we did have) people would still vote liberal simply because they feel Conservatives are evil and the NDP are no good. Ofcourse eventually they had had enough but by then things were so screwed up that it *censored* over the new liberal leader. Which brings me to another point about the American system. I would love to have a system like that, where we can vote for our PM insted of voting for MPs and then which ever group gets the most is in power.
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,786
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
July 9th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Daz... I don't know if we love the Queen the most. New Zealand I may think? I think we just tolerate the monarchy the most. But out of the commonwealth isn't England the most monarchist?
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I'm Telling Jack.
Yep. Evil and conniving can come any many different packages.
Daz... I don't know if we love the Queen the most. New Zealand I may think? I think we just tolerate the monarchy the most. But out of the commonwealth isn't England the most monarchist?
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,927
July 9th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Frankly both the queen and her mother regarded themselves as scottish. I think if there was a "better option" most of England would take it.
I mean England at the moment, despite Blackleaf's ranting is feeling very unrepresented at the moment, the conservatives have stated that their next leader will "definatly" not be scottish, as to not offend the only state in the union without it's own assembly.
In reality, if England didnt have all tht history and a slate was wiped clean, virtually no-one would want the royal family, so in all honesty, to suggest England is the most loyal is a bit of a misanoma, it's like suggesting the fella from New York was the biggest New Yorker, it's not cus he likes new york, it's just where he was born, same with the royal family here.
Besides which the REAL King of the UK and head of the Commonwealth of nations is an Australian by the name of Harold Hastings......FACT.
But I suppose the difference is here family arnt in canada all the time and most of you choose to accept them, in England it's a bit different.
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Daz... I don't know if we love the Queen the most. New Zealand I may think? I think we just tolerate the monarchy the most. But out of the commonwealth isn't England the most monarchist?
I honestly dont know about that, I think the word "tolerate" is ideal here, the royal family generally are not of english decent anyway, I would expect quite a number of Canadian families could trace their tree's back further to england than that of the house of Mountbatten/Battenburg/Winsor/Saxe-Coburg-Gotha/whatever Quoting
I'm Telling Jack.
Yep. Evil and conniving can come any many different packages.
Daz... I don't know if we love the Queen the most. New Zealand I may think? I think we just tolerate the monarchy the most. But out of the commonwealth isn't England the most monarchist?
Frankly both the queen and her mother regarded themselves as scottish. I think if there was a "better option" most of England would take it.
I mean England at the moment, despite Blackleaf's ranting is feeling very unrepresented at the moment, the conservatives have stated that their next leader will "definatly" not be scottish, as to not offend the only state in the union without it's own assembly.
In reality, if England didnt have all tht history and a slate was wiped clean, virtually no-one would want the royal family, so in all honesty, to suggest England is the most loyal is a bit of a misanoma, it's like suggesting the fella from New York was the biggest New Yorker, it's not cus he likes new york, it's just where he was born, same with the royal family here.
Besides which the REAL King of the UK and head of the Commonwealth of nations is an Australian by the name of Harold Hastings......FACT.
But I suppose the difference is here family arnt in canada all the time and most of you choose to accept them, in England it's a bit different.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,927
July 9th, 2006, 06:48 PM
Well the queen mother's family was of scottish decent, Thaine of Glams no less (if you've read McBeth you'll be familiar with the title) and the queen was born in scotland, thats why she at least considers herself scottish.
But yeah, on her Dad's and husband's side they are all generally German's, but when the family were passed other all those centuries ago it was the norm, but now it's not.
But there's definatly a bit of a groundswell at the moment, Camilla hasnt helped....but of course, when it comes down to it the English people like always will bow down and do whatever the government tell them.
Well the queen mother's family was of scottish decent, Thaine of Glams no less (if you've read McBeth you'll be familiar with the title) and the queen was born in scotland, thats why she at least considers herself scottish.
But yeah, on her Dad's and husband's side they are all generally German's, but when the family were passed other all those centuries ago it was the norm, but now it's not.
But there's definatly a bit of a groundswell at the moment, Camilla hasnt helped....but of course, when it comes down to it the English people like always will bow down and do whatever the government tell them.
