Council Member
Posts: 1,732 
June 24th, 2006, 05:52 PM
The lefty view on freedom of speech is not by telling all cabinet members to shut up in front of the media.
The lefty view on freedom of speech is not dictated by the leader of the party like it is with scary Conservative modern thinking.
The lefty view on your presses vote is not stealing it from you and telling you to shut the f up.
The lefty view on political culture is far more freedom oriented than that of the Conservative view on political culture. The movie “BONE HEADS” is now playing for an additional year.
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But let a Christian try to push forward an agenda....OMG the HORROR! You remember Christianity, don't you......you know, The foundation of western culture and the philosophical base of modern democracy?
And how about secular issues, like gun control, and agenda pushed hardest by two organizations.....the Chiefs of Police and Canadians for Gun Control......both largely funded by the Federal government......so the government pays organizations to lobby them to pass legislation they want anyway......no problem. But let any firearms organization......funded ONLY by members, speak and it is the dreaded GUN LOBBY!
You lefties have a strange view of freedom of speech and political culture..............
BTW, Harper has set up the SSM thing to fall apart on one free vote.....SSM is here to stay.
You lefties have a strange view of freedom of speech and political culture.............. Quoting
you should grab a latte and read a decent newspaper some time. the same-sex vote was bought and paid for by the xtian fundies.
And perhaps you would like to explain to me what the propblem is with Christians voting? Because, after all, Hindus vote and politicians cater to them, sikhs vote and politicians cater to them, Muslims vote, and politicians cater to them, indeed some of these populations have actively worked to completely take over riding associations, without a whisper of complaint........ Quoting
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He has moved to keep lesser promises, even though they are not on his personal agenda, such as the elimination of the gun registry, and a discussion on SSM...
He has moved to keep lesser promises, even though they are not on his personal agenda, such as the elimination of the gun registry, and a discussion on SSM...
you should grab a latte and read a decent newspaper some time. the same-sex vote was bought and paid for by the xtian fundies.
But let a Christian try to push forward an agenda....OMG the HORROR! You remember Christianity, don't you......you know, The foundation of western culture and the philosophical base of modern democracy?
And how about secular issues, like gun control, and agenda pushed hardest by two organizations.....the Chiefs of Police and Canadians for Gun Control......both largely funded by the Federal government......so the government pays organizations to lobby them to pass legislation they want anyway......no problem. But let any firearms organization......funded ONLY by members, speak and it is the dreaded GUN LOBBY!
You lefties have a strange view of freedom of speech and political culture..............
BTW, Harper has set up the SSM thing to fall apart on one free vote.....SSM is here to stay.
The lefty view on freedom of speech is not by telling all cabinet members to shut up in front of the media.
The lefty view on freedom of speech is not dictated by the leader of the party like it is with scary Conservative modern thinking.
The lefty view on your presses vote is not stealing it from you and telling you to shut the f up.
The lefty view on political culture is far more freedom oriented than that of the Conservative view on political culture. The movie “BONE HEADS” is now playing for an additional year.
Member
Posts: 108
Location: atlantic canada
Location: atlantic canada
June 24th, 2006, 06:56 PM
Not too many coments focussing on the topic:
Chinese Head tax apololgy!
Not deserving some lines ?
Just the same "we hate the current PM ; he does what he promised".
After years of liberal tax robbers some fresh air; so far.
It appears that the political pendulum is swinging the other way for a change and some "lefties" are now catching their breath.
If PM Harper doesn't screw up, he may be here for a while.
I can see some of you crinching; but look, it is just life; enjoy it!
Not too many coments focussing on the topic:
Chinese Head tax apololgy!
Not deserving some lines ?
Just the same "we hate the current PM ; he does what he promised".
After years of liberal tax robbers some fresh air; so far.
It appears that the political pendulum is swinging the other way for a change and some "lefties" are now catching their breath.
If PM Harper doesn't screw up, he may be here for a while.
I can see some of you crinching; but look, it is just life; enjoy it!
Council Member
Posts: 1,732
June 24th, 2006, 07:07 PM
The only thing that is giving Harper some air to breath today is that the Liberal machine is in temporarily to get a turbojet engine, as soon as a Leader is in place, trust the liberal eagerness for success it will not be very long before the Tory dragster will be left behind by miles wandering what happened..
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Wishful thinking, for Harper to be around for a while.
Not too many coments focussing on the topic:
Chinese Head tax apololgy!
Not deserving some lines ?
Just the same "we hate the current PM ; he does what he promised".
After years of liberal tax robbers some fresh air; so far.
It appears that the political pendulum is swinging the other way for a change and some "lefties" are now catching their breath.
If PM Harper doesn't screw up, he may be here for a while.
I can see some of you crinching; but look, it is just life; enjoy it!
Chinese Head tax apololgy!
Not deserving some lines ?
Just the same "we hate the current PM ; he does what he promised".
After years of liberal tax robbers some fresh air; so far.
It appears that the political pendulum is swinging the other way for a change and some "lefties" are now catching their breath.
If PM Harper doesn't screw up, he may be here for a while.
I can see some of you crinching; but look, it is just life; enjoy it!
The only thing that is giving Harper some air to breath today is that the Liberal machine is in temporarily to get a turbojet engine, as soon as a Leader is in place, trust the liberal eagerness for success it will not be very long before the Tory dragster will be left behind by miles wandering what happened..
what green dots?
Posts: 3,157
June 24th, 2006, 07:51 PM
If Harper doesn't screw up he's welcome to the job, this being a democracy and all, but so far all I've seen him do is land a handful of guppies. This last session was little league. Two slam-dunks, one wtf, one he probably doesn't even recognize any more and one still in the chute in search of meaning. He's got three whoppers to take on in the fall at least one of which can break him.
If Harper doesn't screw up he's welcome to the job, this being a democracy and all, but so far all I've seen him do is land a handful of guppies. This last session was little league. Two slam-dunks, one wtf, one he probably doesn't even recognize any more and one still in the chute in search of meaning. He's got three whoppers to take on in the fall at least one of which can break him.
Senate Member
Posts: 5,583 
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
June 24th, 2006, 09:27 PM
First of all, I don't agree that the first session was a cake-walk. Compare how Harper got his budget passed with how Martin got his passed. Martin spent so much time on his knees befre Layton ......it got embarassing.
I am beginning to thing the first session LOOKED like a cake-walk because Harper is one hell of a skilled politician.
What would those whoppers be?
I assume one is SSM, which he has handled quite adroitly by making it a free vote on raising the issue again. As I have said before, if I was asked directly whether we should preserve the traditional definition of marriage, I would vote "yes". However, if I was an MP asked if the subject should be raised again, I would vote a resounding NO!". I think there are a number of MPs, Conservative and Liberal, in the same boat. By NOT proposing legislation, and by bracketing the question in this way, Harper has fulfilled his promise, but guaranteed the issue immediately sinks out of sight, and SSM stays.
A little sly for my liking, but still, you don't become PM by being a bull in a china shop.......
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If Harper doesn't screw up he's welcome to the job, this being a democracy and all, but so far all I've seen him do is land a handful of guppies. This last session was little league. Two slam-dunks, one wtf, one he probably doesn't even recognize any more and one still in the chute in search of meaning. He's got three whoppers to take on in the fall at least one of which can break him.
First of all, I don't agree that the first session was a cake-walk. Compare how Harper got his budget passed with how Martin got his passed. Martin spent so much time on his knees befre Layton ......it got embarassing.
I am beginning to thing the first session LOOKED like a cake-walk because Harper is one hell of a skilled politician.
What would those whoppers be?
I assume one is SSM, which he has handled quite adroitly by making it a free vote on raising the issue again. As I have said before, if I was asked directly whether we should preserve the traditional definition of marriage, I would vote "yes". However, if I was an MP asked if the subject should be raised again, I would vote a resounding NO!". I think there are a number of MPs, Conservative and Liberal, in the same boat. By NOT proposing legislation, and by bracketing the question in this way, Harper has fulfilled his promise, but guaranteed the issue immediately sinks out of sight, and SSM stays.
A little sly for my liking, but still, you don't become PM by being a bull in a china shop.......
what green dots?
Posts: 3,157
June 24th, 2006, 11:02 PM
No one was going to tank the first budget unless it had something glaringly bad about it because doing so would be political hari-kari. Naturally, it didn't. Harper's no fool after all. The big heroics of the budget was mostly just a bunch of tinkerputt that had parallels in the other party's platforms anyways.
SSM isn't even a fricking issue any more. He's just calling for the vote now so he can be sure he's cashed his marker with the fundies early enough into his term for the dust to settle before the next election.
1) Rona's "very thorough policy" for the environment that according to her has been ready since January of 05 but appearantly is more difficult to craft into anything presentable enough to place before the house than the Accountability Act
2) The Lumber Deal, ie the other confidence vote and this one matters. This one is dangerous in both the short and long terms.
3) Equalization. This is the big one. He can tinkerputt with the environment for a while and probably pull some theatrics on lumber, but this one almost by definition alone is going to cost him something somewhere.
No one was going to tank the first budget unless it had something glaringly bad about it because doing so would be political hari-kari. Naturally, it didn't. Harper's no fool after all. The big heroics of the budget was mostly just a bunch of tinkerputt that had parallels in the other party's platforms anyways.
SSM isn't even a fricking issue any more. He's just calling for the vote now so he can be sure he's cashed his marker with the fundies early enough into his term for the dust to settle before the next election.
1) Rona's "very thorough policy" for the environment that according to her has been ready since January of 05 but appearantly is more difficult to craft into anything presentable enough to place before the house than the Accountability Act
2) The Lumber Deal, ie the other confidence vote and this one matters. This one is dangerous in both the short and long terms.
3) Equalization. This is the big one. He can tinkerputt with the environment for a while and probably pull some theatrics on lumber, but this one almost by definition alone is going to cost him something somewhere.
what green dots?
Posts: 3,157
June 24th, 2006, 11:16 PM
and if you don't think Harper hasn't simply done a cost/benefit on shortchanging the fundies I suggest you recalibrate. hell has no fury like a xtian scorned and he knows it.
which would make it right in character for him, I must say. turnaround, after all, is fair play. that's one set of peones he's going to have to slough to get that majority he's after anyways. may as well get it over with. like they say in retail, your first loss is your least.
and if you don't think Harper hasn't simply done a cost/benefit on shortchanging the fundies I suggest you recalibrate. hell has no fury like a xtian scorned and he knows it.
which would make it right in character for him, I must say. turnaround, after all, is fair play. that's one set of peones he's going to have to slough to get that majority he's after anyways. may as well get it over with. like they say in retail, your first loss is your least.
