A Thought About Our Troops

bluealberta

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I sat in my seat of the Boeing 767 waiting for everyone to hurry and stow their carry-ons and grab a seat so we could start what I was sure to be a long, uneventful flight home.

With the huge capacity and slow moving people taking their time to stuff luggage far too big for the overhead and never paying much attention to holding up the growing line behind them, I simply shook my head knowing that this flight was not starting out very well. I was anxious to get home to see my loved ones so I was focused on my issues and just felt like standing up and yelling for some of these clowns to get their act together.

I knew I couldn't say a word so I just thumbed thru the "Sky Mall" magazine from the seat pocket in front of me. You know it's really getting rough when ! you resort to the over priced, useless sky mall crap to break the monotony.

With everyone finally seated, we just sat there with the cabin door
open and no one in any hurry to get us going although we were well past the scheduled take off time.

No wonder the airline industry is in trouble I told myself.
Just then, the attendant came on the intercom to inform us all that we were being delayed. The entire plane let out a collective groan.

She resumed speaking to say "We are holding the aircraft for some very special people who are on their way to the plane and the delay shouldn't be more than 5 minutes.

The word came after waiting six times as long as we were promised that I was finally going to be on my way home.

Why the hoopla over "these" folks? I was expecting some celebrity or sport figure to be the reason for the hold up ..Just get their butts in a seat and let's hit the gas I thought.

The attendant came back on the speaker to announce in a loud and
excited voice that we were being joined by several Canadian Soldiers returning home from Afghanistan !!!

Just as they walked on board, the entire plane erupted into applause. The men were a bit taken by surprise by the 340 people cheering for them as they searched for their seats. They were having their hands shook and touched by almost everyone who was within an arm's distance of them as they passed down the aisle. One elderly woman kissed the hand of one of the Soldiers as
he passed by her. The applause, whistles and cheering didn't stop for a long time.

When we were finally airborne, I was not the only civilian checking his conscience as to the delays in "me" getting home, finding my easy chair, a cold beverage and the remote in my hand.

These men had done for all of us and I had been complaining silently about "me" and "my" issues I took for granted the everyday freedoms I enjoy and the conveniences of the Canadian way of life.
I took for granted that others had paid the price for my ability to
moan and complain about a few minutes delay to "me" while those Heroes were going home to their loved ones.

I attempted to get my selfish outlook back in order and minutes before we landed, I suggested to the attendant that she announce over the speaker a request for everyone to remain in their seats until our heroes were allowed to gather their things and be first off the plane. The cheers and applause continued until the last soldier stepped off and we a all rose to go about our too often taken for granted everyday freedoms.

I felt proud of them. I felt it an honour and a privilege to be among
the first to welcome them home and say "Thank You for a job well done." I vowed that I will never forget that flight nor the lesson learned. I can't say it enough, THANK YOU to those Veterans and active servicemen and women who may read this and a prayer for those who cannot because they are no longer with us.

GOD BLESS CANADA!
WELCOME HOME!
AND THANKS FOR A JOB WELL DONE!!!!!
 

FiveParadox

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A great post, bluealberta. :)

Shame on members who would declare the message in this thread to be a "pile of rubble"; on that note, I am confused as to why BitWhys would want to post a link to the Post Reply page.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: A Thought About Our Troops

FiveParadox said:
A great post, bluealberta. :)

Shame on members who would declare the message in this thread to be a "pile of rubble"; on that note, I am confused as to why BitWhys would want to post a link to the Post Reply page.

Thanks, Five, I thought it was worth sharing. I have no idea who wrote it, but I got it in an email today. Why BitWhys would say that is beyond me too, but then, a lot of what BitWhys says is beyond comprehension!! :roll:
 

BitWhys

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Re: RE: A Thought About Our Troops

FiveParadox said:
A great post, bluealberta. :)

Shame on members who would declare the message in this thread to be a "pile of rubble"; on that note, I am confused as to why BitWhys would want to post a link to the Post Reply page.

oops

Planeload of Civilians Applauds Returning Marines from Iraq-Unproven!

its a fricking reworked cut-and-paste fairy tale is why. an amateur offering from the propoganda machine.

My support for "our troops" ended on the 17th of last month. Calling shame on me for failing to cheer along mindlessly is exactly one more reason why that is. This isn't a story about the troops. Its a story about the passengers who may as well have been cheering on the Oilers on the way back from losing the cup. I hope you all find that mailer to be a conscience clearing experience. Really I do but I'll pass, thank you very much.

In North America the war is just another channel on TV we can switch to when we need the emotional gratification. Whether that be convincing ourselves we're doing something, pathos or sympathy, its all vicarious and conveniently made available by tossing a few more dollars in the direction of Ottawa. Probably cheaper than cable. Here and in Afghanistan "our troops" aren't being "supported" as much as they are being used.

now let the parade of self-serving "I've been there" fools begin.
 

Mogz

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I think i'd rather be a "self-serving i've been there fool" than be a self-serving bitter fool, but thats just me.

Truth be told, the amount of support the CF is getting from the Nation is excellent. There are, as bitwhys highlights, individuals in our society that lack the ability to show the service men and women of this Nation some amiability. Saw what you want about the War, or even the Canadian Forces, but I personally don't think selling the men and women, living in a warzone, short, is the mature stance to take. In fact, I think it's downright crass.

Now that i've addressed that prats "views", i'll just tack on to this saying that in the last 4 years in Edmonton, i've received numerous words of encouragement from regular citizens. In 2006 alone i've been stopped at a Safeway Gasbar in Oliver Square, had a man approach me while I was exiting a Shoppers Drugmart, and even had a woman roll down her car window at a red light to tell me to "we're with you". In all those instances, no one ever told me "hey thanks for giving me something to watch at 6pm". It was always something to the affect of; "we're with you", "your sacrifices aren't forgotten", "we appreciate what you do for us". To me, being a realist, I doubt anyone would come up to a complete stranger and tell them these things if they weren't sincere. Then again, that's just the opinion of a self-serving "i've been there" fool.

Thanks bluealberta.
 

BitWhys

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If you've been in Edmonton the last four years then its not too hard to figure out what you did there then and what's going on there now are two different things.
 

BitWhys

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Re: RE: A Thought About Our Troops

Mogz said:
...There are, as bitwhys highlights, individuals in our society that lack the ability to show the service men and women of this Nation some amiability. Saw what you want about the War, or even the Canadian Forces, but I personally don't think selling the men and women, living in a warzone, short, is the mature stance to take. In fact, I think it's downright crass...

nice strawman

what did I say against the troops?
 

Mogz

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If you've been in Edmonton the last four years then its not too hard to figure out what you did there then and what's going on there now are two different things.

I never said i've been in Edmonton for the last 4 years straight. I said that in the last 4 years i've received numerous words of encouragement. I returned from Afghanistan in the fall of 2005 after 7 1/2 months. However, since early 2002, Edmontonians have shown a gigantic outpouring of support for the Canadian Forces. In anything, the support as increased since i've been back, as people are beginning (at least here) to see what we do and why we do it.

Furthermore I never said you said anything about the troops. You did, however, sell us short with these endearing statements:

-My support for "our troops" ended on the 17th of last month.

-now let the parade of self-serving "I've been there" fools begin.

-aren't being "supported" as much as they are being used.

You are of course entitled to your opinion(s), but that doesn't mean that your actions/words, will not be seen as crass by others. I think i've reiterated this point before; I frankly don't care what you think about me, the organization I belong to, or mission our military is currently on. In the grand scheme of things, your views are of little consequence to me. I have the support of many; family, friends, fellow soldiers, and complete strangers. I'm content knowing that I do my job, do it well, and that nothing you saying, or anyone else for that matter says, is going to make me change my mind. In all, i've earned respect from many, so I don't feel the need to beg you for yours. Think what you want, say what you want, but at the end of the day, you have me and people like me to thank (regardless of whether you agree or not) for those basic freedoms.
 

thecdn

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Re: RE: A Thought About Our Troops

BitWhys said:
Planeload of Civilians Applauds Returning Marines from Iraq-Unproven!

its a fricking reworked cut-and-paste fairy tale is why. an amateur offering from the propoganda machine.

I knew I had read this before. After the first sentence it sounded all too familiar.

Being supportive of Canada's troops on duty in places like Afghanistan is one thing, a thing as a former soldier I do. But to take gingoistic American platitudes and change a few words to make them Canadian is just wrong. That's not the Canadian way.
 

BitWhys

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Mogz:

This just in... the mission has changed drastically since the fall of 2005. thanks for biting.

Mogz said:
Think what you want, say what you want, but at the end of the day, you have me and people like me to thank (regardless of whether you agree or not) for those basic freedoms.

I'm sorry. I never realized to fought at Juno Beach. If that's the case then I'm impressed by all the humility you've managed to display. Excuse me if I don't salute. And you call ME crass.

now then...

BitWhys said:
My support for "our troops" ended on the 17th of last month.

...and this "sell the men and women, living in a warzone, short," how, exactly?

BitWhys said:
now let the parade of self-serving "I've been there" fools begin.

Its not their fault you decided to answer my call.

BitWhys said:
aren't being "supported" as much as they are being used.

and that's not their fault either. Not in any immediate sense, that is.
 

BitWhys

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Re: RE: A Thought About Our Troops

thecdn said:
BitWhys said:
Planeload of Civilians Applauds Returning Marines from Iraq-Unproven!

its a fricking reworked cut-and-paste fairy tale is why. an amateur offering from the propoganda machine.

I knew I had read this before. After the first sentence it sounded all too familiar.

Being supportive of Canada's troops on duty in places like Afghanistan is one thing, a thing as a former soldier I do. But to take gingoistic American platitudes and change a few words to make them Canadian is just wrong. That's not the Canadian way.

agreed. and btw, just because I think the current mission sucks doesn't mean I don't appreciate the soldiers. I really, really hate the "support our troops" slogan because it somehow manages to force that "support" to go through Ottawa.
 

Jersay

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So this was for U.S marines, and someone, not saying it was bluealberta ,e-mailed bluealberta and who knows who else to say that this was about Canadian troops.

That's sad.
 

thecdn

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Jersay said:
So this was for U.S marines, and someone, not saying it was bluealberta ,e-mailed bluealberta and who knows who else to say that this was about Canadian troops.

That's sad.

Yes. The other day my wife got an email forwarded from a friend in Calgary that talked about how important it was to have prayer in school to stop all the violence going on there.

The first thing I said to my wife was, "Gee, that kind of looks like an American email with a few words changed." The last I heard prayer in school wasn't a big issue in Canada and there certainly isn't as much violence there as there is in the US.

The email ended with something to the effect of "We should just tell all the atheists to just sit down and shut up!" Again, not very Canadian sounding. But I was a good boy though. I managed to not reply with, "This is Mary's husband. I'm an atheist. Please tell me how I should sit down and shut up."

Unfortunately, it's just so easy to forward things on via email without really thinking about it.
 

FiveParadox

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I have a profound respect, and I indeed support, the Canadian Forces. I would hope that, given the posts I have made on Canadian Content to date, that this would be quite obvious. However, that does not mean that I am bound to be in favour of whatever mission may come up (whether or not I support the present mission in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan).

For example, I was quite frustrated when The Honourable Gordon O'Connor, P.C., M.P., the Member for Carleton—Mississippi Mills and the Minister of National Defence, stood in the House of Commons and accused any member who had voted in opposition to the Afghanistan motion some days ago of not caring about the Forces — which, in my opinion, is a ludicrous suggestion. I despise when persons attempt to drag the Forces into their partisan quabbles.
 

Mogz

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This just in... the mission has changed drastically since the fall of 2005. thanks for biting.

Actually it really hasn't. The only change has been our location. We moved from Camp Julien and Camp Warehouse up in Kabul, to Camp Nathan Smith, Kandahar Air Field, and several FOBs in Gumbad and Helmand. Nothing else has changed. We've still got a Light Brigade in the region, and they're doing the same job they always were doing. Oh shit, I lied, we started up a Provincial Reconstruction Team, which we didn't have in Kabul. So, seeing as you know more than me, what has changed bitwhys. I'm dying to hear this.

That said, the rest of your post was tripe. As I said, you don't have to even accept it, but the military, both past and present, guards your way of life. If you don't agree, I don't care. I know what we do and why we do it. Do you?