Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan war

[Karlin]

The news is locked down on this, the nuclear plants are locked down too. Some threat to security has occured.

It comes at a supicious time - within days after Canada's warmongering leader PM Harper announces that Canada will occupy the nation of Afghanistan until 2009.

To support the need for this military action, democratic government generally use propaganda and fake-or-made-up terrorist threats. A "security threat" to Canada's nuclear plants would certainly raise the fear factor of Canadians, and therefore will bring out more support for the occupation of Afghanistan if that threat can be tied to Islamic terrorists.

It wil be.

Karlin

 

[fuzzylogix]

RE: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan

Actually, for me, it brings out the opposite. As we get further entrenched in our asssociation with the United States and its"war against terrorists" we can only expect that we will become targets. Even if the threats right now are technically government propaganda, we will be genuinely be moving up the terrorist hit list.

Canadians must realize that living under the threat of terrorist acts is as numbing as the actual act of terrorism. And you're right Karlin, we now will live under the propaganda terrorist colour code system in place in the States. Does this make me justify the war in Afghanistan? NO- it makes me realize that we only create more terrorists by killing innocent civilians. You cant stop terrorism with violence. You can never protect yourself by trying to kill off your opponents in war, because as you kill some, you create more exponentially.

 

[Karlin]

Re: You cant stop terrorism with violence.

The opposite? Are you referring to the fact that you don't get swept up in the fears that create support for fighting terrorists? And that the public's reaction will be opposite from yours?

So, do you agree that the general public - not you or me - will get onboard the idea of invading foriegn nations like Afghanistan MORE now [due to the nuclear plant fears], or less [for the reasons you outlined]?

I also think that Canada's association with the USA-Bush people will make us a target. You and I agree on this, my point was that the general public will be swayed by these kids of fear-making fake terrorism events.

Support for fighting terrorists comes from people who swallow the propaganda... some of those will be posting here soon.

Those ones DO NOT believe in what you said, that I agree with wholeheartedly:

"we only create more terrorists by killing innocent civilians. You cant stop terrorism with violence. You can never protect yourself by trying to kill off your opponents in war, because as you kill some, you create more exponentially."

Wiser words were never writ. Good job.

That certainly ISN'T the way Harper or Bush or the conservative minded people think. Actually, some of them know it isn't true, but they don't say so because they WANT to have lots of military action. Its good for "their" economy.

 

[Outta here]

Re: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan

The news is locked down on this, the nuclear plants are locked down too. Some threat to security has occured.

Karlin

Hi Karlin,

Do you have any more info on this?

 

[fuzzylogix]

RE: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan

Karlin, I am for reducing our own violent acts in recognition that they reinforce the reasons for terrorist acts against us. But I agree wholeheartedly with you that the government uses scare tactics to get the general public revved up to fight even harder against terrorists and therefore mistakenly to support the war. And sadly these tactics work.


We saw this with Vietnam---wow... we gotta fight those commies who are taking over. Even if we manage to insert a "democracy" in Iraq or Afghanistan, we will continue to be targets for terrorists. Some terrorists have good reason to hate us. Some dont. In either case, their goal is to bring us down, and every time we fall into the trap of being inhumane ourselves, they score a few points.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Canada's nuclear plan

Pro-war propaganda will increase in the coming months, it's designed to whip us into a righteous Islamo-commie hating frenzy to make us rubber stamp the coming (just) war against fictitious terrorists on the side of the real terrorists.

 

[Karlin]

Re: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan

The Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission discussed a "security incident" at the Point Lepreau nuclear generating station at a meeting Friday in Ottawa.

But the safety commission won't say what happened at the station, or even when it happened.

http://www.cbc.ca/nb/story/nb_safety20060519.html


Nope, I still cannot find one word about the nature of the incident.



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There is one article about environmental concerns at this nuclear plant -
http://www.cbc.ca/nb/story/nb_nuclear20060519.html
Environmentalists oppose five-year licence for Lepreau
Last updated May 19 2006 09:52 AM ADT

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Although nuke power is clean at the time they produce it, there is a potentially horrible issue of nuclear waste, its very dangerous stuff.

Instead of spending government money in subsidies to the nuclear industry[appr $75Billion from Cdn govt. alone in the past 15 years] , Canadians would likely be happier of solar panels were placed on every rooftoop, generating clean power without horrible wastes for a long time for free once the panels are in place.

Also, there would be a lot more good decent jobs in placing a milion solar panels, rather than just a few Elite jobs in the nuclear plants.

Wind and Solar are getting nothing, while the Elite Favoured energy sources of nuclear and fossil fuels are heavily subsidised. Democracy is not being honoured!! We want clean green energy.

Heck, that other biggest issue - terrorism - would use the nuclear waste to create terrorism. [dirty bombs]. But thats just irony, its not important,not untill they set one off

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Canada's nuclear plan

I was reading a study some time ago about the economic boom that could be generated if we would only get with the renewable energy ideas like solar panels and windgenerators and efficiently build and oriened housing but we seem to be unable to go in that direction. Working on these things would create jobs and stimulate small to medium businesses.

 

[Vicious]

RE: Canada's nuclear plan

I'd love to see that literature. Everything I've read says they are all wonderful technologies that consume more electricity that they generate.

 

[fuzzylogix]

RE: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan

In sunny climates the solar panels are most definitely efficient. In Europe, in places with good winds such as Denmark, the use of windmills is extensive and many small villages get at least 70% of their energy from them. The main drawback to the windmills is visual for some people, noise and a certain risk to the bird population.

 

[FascistCanuck]

Re: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan

The news is locked down on this, the nuclear plants are locked down too. Some threat to security has occured.

It comes at a supicious time - within days after Canada's warmongering leader PM Harper announces that Canada will occupy the nation of Afghanistan until 2009.

To support the need for this military action, democratic government generally use propaganda and fake-or-made-up terrorist threats. A "security threat" to Canada's nuclear plants would certainly raise the fear factor of Canadians, and therefore will bring out more support for the occupation of Afghanistan if that threat can be tied to Islamic terrorists.

It wil be.

Karlin

So that video where Osama Bin Laden threatened Canada with acts of terrorism is not real? Were it up to me I would most certainly remove our forces from Aghanistan but not for the reasons you seek. I simply see no point in dabbling in the problems of another nation. I could not care less about Afghanistan. It is a banana republic of no consequence to Canadians. As a fascist, ALL of our troops would be brought back home under my rule.

As things stand now, OSAMA threatened us. I do not take threats from such a nutcase lightly. You speak of invented terrorism. 9-11 was invented? Perhaps you missed that little incident yes?

You do not recall when our police forces rounded up 4 Pakistanis who were walking around our Pickering nuclear power plant recently? They had even paid for flights to overfly the same power plant. Yu do understand they were caught walking around the edge of the power plant at 3:00 a.m.? Why? After being collared, those same Pakistanis had the temerity to DEMAND we respect their rights although they were GUESTS upon our soil. I would suggest those Pakistanis be glad my fascist regime was not in power at the time. I would have had the information beaten out of them. They WERE scouting a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. Do you understand the severity of my point?? I am not talking about some people knocking down a couple of buildings. I am talking about someone hitting a nuclear plant which would result in huge casualties. You would I should ignore such activities? Rest assured no Muslims would like to see ME in power. The mailed fist would come crashing down upon their skulls were they to ever threaten my country and my people. Those Muslims who would dare speak against how my forces react against Islamic terrorism would be swiftly kicked out of the country faster than they could utter 'allah'.

 

[FascistCanuck]

Re: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan

The Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission discussed a "security incident" at the Point Lepreau nuclear generating station at a meeting Friday in Ottawa.

But the safety commission won't say what happened at the station, or even when it happened.

http://www.cbc.ca/nb/story/nb_safety20060519.html


Nope, I still cannot find one word about the nature of the incident.



----------------
There is one article about environmental concerns at this nuclear plant -
http://www.cbc.ca/nb/story/nb_nuclear20060519.html
Environmentalists oppose five-year licence for Lepreau
Last updated May 19 2006 09:52 AM ADT

------------------

Although nuke power is clean at the time they produce it, there is a potentially horrible issue of nuclear waste, its very dangerous stuff.

Instead of spending government money in subsidies to the nuclear industry[appr $75Billion from Cdn govt. alone in the past 15 years] , Canadians would likely be happier of solar panels were placed on every rooftoop, generating clean power without horrible wastes for a long time for free once the panels are in place.

Also, there would be a lot more good decent jobs in placing a milion solar panels, rather than just a few Elite jobs in the nuclear plants.

Wind and Solar are getting nothing, while the Elite Favoured energy sources of nuclear and fossil fuels are heavily subsidised. Democracy is not being honoured!! We want clean green energy.

Heck, that other biggest issue - terrorism - would use the nuclear waste to create terrorism. [dirty bombs]. But thats just irony, its not important,not untill they set one off

As an avowed fascist, allow me to suggest if you dislike my country feel free to leave it. No one is forcing you to stay.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: Karlin's Presence • Power Plant Situation

I would suggest to the above member that Karlin wasn't expressing dissatisfaction with Canada as a nation. I would go on to say that no person who thinks that dissidence should be crushed out of existence, or deported, is going to be elected into power within the very near future.

On the topic at hand, I don't think that the situation given above (the four Pakistani persons found in proximity to that plant) should have been "tortured" for information. I think that the "security certificates" that Canada uses to detain suspected terrorists (without pressing charges pursuing them at once) should be done away with. Studies have been conducted in both the House of Commons and the Senate, and I hope that one of the two Chambers reports that the certificates should be abolished.

 

[FascistCanuck]

Re: Karlin's Presence • Power Plant Situation

I would suggest to the above member that Karlin wasn't expressing dissatisfaction with Canada as a nation. I would go on to say that no person who thinks that dissidence should be crushed out of existence, or deported, is going to be elected into power within the very near future.

On the topic at hand, I don't think that the situation given above (the four Pakistani persons found in proximity to that plant) should have been "tortured" for information. I think that the "security certificates" that Canada uses to detain suspected terrorists (without pressing charges pursuing them at once) should be done away with. Studies have been conducted in both the House of Commons and the Senate, and I hope that one of the two Chambers reports that the certificates should be abolished.

I am a fascist remember? As such I would use any and all means to ensure the security of the state. Compared to the state, the 4 Palestinians are completely irrelevant. Canada comes first and as such Canadians fall under that protection. Those 'certificates' you speak of are not enough. I would go much further than that. They are foreigners who seek to harm Canada. As a fascist I cannot allow this. The people of Canada would be under my protection. I would do ANYTHING to assure that protection, much to the detriment of anyone who seeks to cause injury or death to my Canadian people. If force is the best means by which I may meet this goal, then so be it. The left-wingers are free to whine all they want. I would ask them how THEY would deal with it. Give the Pakistanis a slap on the wrist and let them leave? Absolutely not. These people actually DEMANDED we observe their 'RIGHTS'. They must understand as foreigners on Canadian soil, they HAVE no rights.

 

[FiveParadox]

RE: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afghan

You are wrong, with due respect, FascistCanuck.

Any one in Canada is afforded the same rights as anyone else, whether or not they are a citizen, a permanent resident, a refugee, a non-status immigrant, or whatnot. The Constitution Act, 1982 guarantees rights to everyone, with the exception of Sections 3, 6 and 23.

 

[FascistCanuck]

Re: RE: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afg

You are wrong, with due respect, FascistCanuck.

Any one in Canada is afforded the same rights as anyone else, whether or not they are a citizen, a permanent resident, a refugee, a non-status immigrant, or whatnot. The Constitution Act, 1982 guarantees rights to everyone, with the exception of Sections 3, 6 and 23.

Yes. I am aware of this. My first foray into the highest seat of the land will be to change the Constitution. Canada's Charter of Rights will be amended also. I would guarantee only CANADIAN CITIZENS full rights within our borders. Permanent residents? Refugees? Non-status immigrants? Absolutely not. Permanent residents I would consider 'renters'. Refugees I would consider 'defectors' and as such cannot be trusted. Non-status immigrants are the last to be considered. If they do not meet my new fascist criteria, they will be returned from whence they came - at gunpoint if necessary. The same goes for 'refugees'. I seek only the protection of Canada. I will not have it treated as an escape route for illegal immigrants and criminals who disguise themselves as 'refugees'. You come here, you obey OUR rules. If you find you cannot do so, you will be escorted out of Canada by armed soldiers. Simple.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: RE: Canada's nuclear plants - security incidents for Afg

Yes. I am aware of this. My first foray into the highest seat of the land will be to change the Constitution. Canada's Charter of Rights will be amended also. I would guarantee only CANADIAN CITIZENS full rights within our borders. Permanent residents? Refugees? Non-status immigrants? Absolutely not. Permanent residents I would consider 'renters'. Refugees I would consider 'defectors' and as such cannot be trusted. Non-status immigrants are the last to be considered. If they do not meet my new fascist criteria, they will be returned from whence they came - at gunpoint if necessary. The same goes for 'refugees'. I seek only the protection of Canada. I will not have it treated as an escape route for illegal immigrants and criminals who disguise themselves as 'refugees'. You come here, you obey OUR rules. If you find you cannot do so, you will be escorted out of Canada by armed soldiers. Simple.

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I don't agree. I don't think that we should be engaging in any sort of en masse deportation of non-citizens; permanent residents, for example, should be treated just as one would a citizen (with the exception of the Sections of the constitution that I noted above); as for refugees, I would suggest that they should be treated just like permanent residents. I don't believe that refugees are "defectors" in the least — those who choose to escape one's country due to humanitarian circumstances are not defectors, but rather seekers of the freedom to which every human being should be privy.