What happened to the Canadian snipers?

#juan

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'We were abandoned'

An elite unit of snipers went from standouts to outcasts -- victims, many say, of a witch hunt driven by jealousy and fear

MICHAEL FRISCOLANTI

Lying low beside the rifle, his stomach touching the ground, Cpl. Rob Furlong concentrated hard on his breathing. In, out. In, out. In, out. Deep, but not too deep. Slow, but not too slow. The tiniest twitch -- a heavy exhale, perhaps, or a breath held one second too long -- could jerk his weapon ever so slightly, turning a sure hit into a narrow miss. In the sniping world, where one shot should always equal one kill, steady breathing is just as crucial as steady aim.

On that March afternoon in 2002, Cpl. Furlong squinted through the scope of his McMillan Tac-50, a sleek bolt-action rifle almost as long as he is. In his crosshairs were three men, each lugging weapons toward an al-Qaeda mortar nest high in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan. Master Cpl. Tim McMeekin, hunkered behind his fellow sniper, saw the same trio through the lens of his Vector, a binocular-like device that uses a laser to pinpoint targets thousands of metres away. Speaking quietly, both soldiers agreed on the obvious: take out the biggest threat first, in this case the man in the middle carrying the RPK machine gun. According to the Vector, he was exactly 2,430 m away -- nearly 2 1/2 kilometres.

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These guys were given medals by the U.S. government. They were better at what they did than anyone else in the world. The shot described above was the longest ever. I'm not a big fan of the mission in Afghanistan but when we train someone to do something and they do it better than anyone else in the world, we shouldn't just dump them.

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Colpy

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OUTRAGEOUS!

This is what happens when your military is expected to be a bunch of social workers instead of a sharp blade to be turned on the enemies of the nation.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Yeah, I read that story in Maclean's a week or so ago, and was appalled. I'm inclined to think there must be a mindset among Canadians generally, our elected representatives, and penetrating even into the military hierarchy to some extent, that doesn't want to admit the truth of what we're doing, so it vilifies the people who do it. This is not peacekeeping, it's war. We've sent some of our soldiers into an active combat zone, equipped for combat, and that means they're going to cause casualties and take casualties. Either we learn to deal with that, or we pull our people out of there and weasel out of our commitments.

No prizes for guessing where I stand on this one.
 

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#juan said:
May 15, 2005

'We were abandoned'

An elite unit of snipers went from standouts to outcasts -- victims, many say, of a witch hunt driven by jealousy and fear

MICHAEL FRISCOLANTI

Lying low beside the rifle, his stomach touching the ground, Cpl. Rob Furlong concentrated hard on his breathing. In, out. In, out. In, out. Deep, but not too deep. Slow, but not too slow. The tiniest twitch -- a heavy exhale, perhaps, or a breath held one second too long -- could jerk his weapon ever so slightly, turning a sure hit into a narrow miss. In the sniping world, where one shot should always equal one kill, steady breathing is just as crucial as steady aim.

On that March afternoon in 2002, Cpl. Furlong squinted through the scope of his McMillan Tac-50, a sleek bolt-action rifle almost as long as he is. In his crosshairs were three men, each lugging weapons toward an al-Qaeda mortar nest high in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan. Master Cpl. Tim McMeekin, hunkered behind his fellow sniper, saw the same trio through the lens of his Vector, a binocular-like device that uses a laser to pinpoint targets thousands of metres away. Speaking quietly, both soldiers agreed on the obvious: take out the biggest threat first, in this case the man in the middle carrying the RPK machine gun. According to the Vector, he was exactly 2,430 m away -- nearly 2 1/2 kilometres.

link

These guys were given medals by the U.S. government. They were better at what they did than anyone else in the world. The shot described above was the longest ever. I'm not a big fan of the mission in Afghanistan but when we train someone to do something and they do it better than anyone else in the world, we shouldn't just dump them.

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Cdn snipers lauded as experts in Afghan action
Updated Tue. Jul. 9 2002 11:30 PM ET
Canadian Press
A world-record shot by a Canadian sniper detachment could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview.

The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres. The U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld. The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres on the second shot. The first blew a bag from the hand of their target, an al-Qaida fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke to The Canadian Press on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.

The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.

But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.

Outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, the five Canadians divided into two detachments earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.

The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valor, marking exceptional bravery.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1026271952413_269
 

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A sad truth about the Canadian Forces, and the Canadian Government. Credit is never given where credit is due. Our snipers are the best in the World, contrary to what Americans will say (they're the best at everything apparently). They made the Worlds longest combat sniper shot, and never received the recognition they should have for it. It's the same for the Paratroopers of the Canadian Forces. Every year they go down to jump in a competition in the States, taking on jumpers from 30 different nations. The Canadians win every year. No one ever hears about it though. It seems to be Canada's military lot in life. Put out excellent soldiers, put them in adverse conditions, have them excel, then neglect them. Look at the boys from 2 PPCLI that fought off a Croatian Mechanized Brigade at Medak in the early 90's. It took over a decade for this nation to recognize the bravery displayed by the entire Batallion in the Balkans, and thus award them a unit citation (the 2nd one for 2 PPCLI, having already earned one at Kaypong during the Korean War). In Canada, our society utterly fails time and time again to offer credit where it's due. The snipers of 3 PPCLI are just another casualty in the long list of neglected men, units, and organizations within the Canadian Forces.
 

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Re: RE: What happened to the Canadian snipers?

Mogz said:
A sad truth about the Canadian Forces, and the Canadian Government. Credit is never given where credit is due. Our snipers are the best in the World, contrary to what Americans will say (they're the best at everything apparently). They made the Worlds longest combat sniper shot, and never received the recognition they should have for it. It's the same for the Paratroopers of the Canadian Forces. Every year they go down to jump in a competition in the States, taking on jumpers from 30 different nations. The Canadians win every year. No one ever hears about it though. It seems to be Canada's military lot in life. Put out excellent soldiers, put them in adverse conditions, have them excel, then neglect them. Look at the boys from 2 PPCLI that fought off a Croatian Mechanized Brigade at Medak in the early 90's. It took over a decade for this nation to recognize the bravery displayed by the entire Batallion in the Balkans, and thus award them a unit citation (the 2nd one for 2 PPCLI, having already earned one at Kaypong during the Korean War). In Canada, our society utterly fails time and time again to offer credit where it's due. The snipers of 3 PPCLI are just another casualty in the long list of neglected men, units, and organizations within the Canadian Forces.
The night Canadian Snipers were awarded the Bronze Stars there were protesters outside chanting"Stars are the Christmas Trees not Soldiers"..

The American Military thinks highly enough of the Canadian Military to award them US Medals, that's something that can't be taken away by anyone..
 

Mogz

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RE: What happened to the

How'd you plot that course? If you label a sniper a murderer, then that'd make all soldiers murderers. Or is it because the personal aspect is removed from their actions? If that's the case then fighter pilots who dropped preceision weapons on enemy positions are murderers. Regardless, you're out of your element as per. Thanks for weighing in with another useless quip. Lets me know society is still putting out morons.
 

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Re: RE: What happened to the Canadian snipers?

Mogz said:
It's the same for the Paratroopers of the Canadian Forces. Every year they go down to jump in a competition in the States, taking on jumpers from 30 different nations. The Canadians win every year.

That is an inaccurate statement. If you are referring to the International Military Parachute Competition also known as LeapFest, Canadians do not win every year. I don't know how many times they have won, but many countries have one this in the 23 years its been around.
 

#juan

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Snipers are murderers, always have been always will be.

I don't think you can say that DB. Soldiers who are very good marksmen can save a whole company from ambush or whatever. If a soldier can bring down an enemy from a mile away, he is a tremendous asset. Few are good enough. Every soldier has a job. All soldiers at some point will shoot and kill the enemy. Some soldiers are snipers.
 

Mogz

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RE: What happened to the

That is an inaccurate statement. If you are referring to the International Military Parachute Competition also known as LeapFest, Canadians do not win every year. I don't know how many times they have won, but many countries have one this in the 23 years its been around.

I'm not refering to leapfest, although 3 VanDoo did win that last year as well :) Leapfest is solely a "static line" competition, whereas the one that i'm refering to (which I believe is held at Fort Benning, whereas leapfest is held in Rhode Island) is a mixed bag, static line, free fall, and limited HALO. I'm getting this info off of a 3 VP buddy of mine. When I see him at work tomorrow i'll ask what it's called. Until then :)
 

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darkbeaver said:
Snipers are murderers, always have been always will be.
God forbid a Canadian Sniper Team member comes across this thread and reads you're tasteless, disrespectful statement. He might think you're an Anti-Canadian Military Communist Sympathizer or something worse.. :roll:
 

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Colpy said:
OUTRAGEOUS!

This is what happens when your military is expected to be a bunch of social workers instead of a sharp blade to be turned on the enemies of the nation.

Exactly. Shame on the government and military officials for doing this to these men.