Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image

Jersay

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ST. JOHN'S, N.L. (CP) - An animal rights group documenting the annual seal slaughter off southern Labrador pulled out Friday, saying protesters felt threatened after confrontations with local hunt supporters.

They left as the kill ended for most large vessels and at least one fleet of smaller sealing boats, when hunters filled about two-thirds of their quota.

A spokeswoman for the International Fund for Animal Welfare said a helicopter carrying anti-sealing activists was confronted a day earlier while trying to refuel in the Labrador community of Cartwright.

Regina Flores said angry residents surrounded their helicopter at two locations. They were eventually allowed to refuel but were told not to come back.

"Because we knew they wouldn't refuel us again, we couldn't go back out to continue to get footage because we wouldn't be able to get a source of fuel," Flores said Friday afternoon between flights in Halifax.

"I'm going to be on my way back to our headquarters in Ottawa to focus on reviewing the footage we did get in the first two days to look for any violations."

On Wednesday, the first day of the hunt on an area known as the Front, a helicopter carrying members of the Humane Society of the United States was also confronted in Cartwright.

Mayor Rosetta Holwell confirmed both incidents.

She said residents did not want outsiders interfering with a legal hunt.

"This is a Canadian-sanctioned hunt," Holwell said Friday.

"We elect politicians and they've made laws, and these people are coming here and telling us our laws our wrong."

Holwell said residents of Cartwright, many of whom are involved in the hunt, worried that protesters would endanger lives on the ice.

Sealers from Newfoundland and Labrador are allowed to kill 230,000 seals in this year's hunt on the Front - a vast area north of Newfoundland.

About 275 large sealing vessels and as many as 300 smaller vessels have been on the Front. Vessels larger than 11 metres long were told Friday evening their hunt was over. Fisheries officials said up to 200 small boats still had quota left.

The hunt on the Gulf of St. Lawrence ended last week after 91,000 seals were killed.

Both hunts have been marked with sometimes-violent clashes between protesters and sealers.

On Thursday, about 80 residents in the eastern Quebec community of Blanc-Sablon surrounded a small hotel where foreign journalists and members of the Humane Society of the United States were staying.

Quebec provincial police officers later escorted the 15 activists, reporters and photographers a nearby airport.


Humane society spokeswoman Rebecca Aldworth criticized police for not acting sooner.

"By the end of the afternoon, the damage had already been done," said Aldworth, who said her group planned on filing a complaint.

"Their refusal to bring us to the airport early in the day cost us our ability to go to the ice floes and document the hunt."

Aldworth was arrested along with several colleagues during the gulf hunt last month, and also claimed that a gulf sealing vessel had rammed a Zodiac inflatable boat carrying protesters and journalists.

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I don't support some actions like what Paul McCartney did but I don't support Canada's seal hunt but I believe it should continue until another occupation or a 'decreased' limit of seal hunting or more regulations can be reached but the reactions by these seal hunters and their supporters in Quebec and Newfoundland are sad and could have gotten people killed.

They claim they were trying to spare people's lives but they didn't give a damn if someone was killed. They should have been arrested. Lazy cops.
 

Lineman

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How is this different from any other harvest? The next time you're eating fish or wearing leather boots or building a fence or drinking juice you're contributing to a harvest. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years. These protest groups are sadly typical of an urban society that knows nothing about how its food and material goods are produced. All it knows is it's on the shelf at Walmart when they need it. If you "consume" then you support all harvests, like it or not. Cute and cuddly does not exclude seals from being harvested.
 

Machjo

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Ya know what. I think young boys would really enjoy a Club-a-Seal Day!

In some communities, the real thing might be a little expensive though. Not a problem, a local squirrel or fish could take its symbolic blace. Maybe not the squirrel though; they're pretty quick.But a fish or a dog could be nice (nah, dogs are quick too, unless you nail the trusty thing hard on the first strike after having fed it a doggy snack). Could fry it up for dinner later in the evening.

Anyway, younger kids should only watch; I don't think they'd be ready to swing yet.
 

Machjo

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Hey, maybe we could combine Club-aSeal Day with the Easter Seals campaign? Could be the start of a tasty new tradition.
 

missile

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That is the way I do it anyway :) I just love the thunk sound my aluminum bat makes when it connects to a seal,,satisfies my soul :lol:
 

Machjo

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missile said:
That is the way I do it anyway :) I just love the thunk sound my aluminum bat makes when it connects to a seal,,satisfies my soul :lol:

You mean you use real seals? I guess they're easy to find in NB?

I'm sure in China, we'd probably just use dogs.

And in Canada's interior, Ottawa, Toronto, maybe squirrels? I don't know, they're pretty quick though. Or maybe local dogs too; they're quick but trusty little buggers with lots of meat on them, but a doggie snack might work as long as you hit it hard the first time around.
 

missile

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I'm being serious now[was joking around before]. We have large harbour seals here..maybe 4 to 5 hundred pounders. You'd need a harpoon to take down one of them. Back to my tomfoolery: Cats are good to practise on & they are easy to skin,too. But,pound for pound, a pigeon has the most meat on it..and we have plenty of them,too. I call them "flying rats' because they eat anything and crap on everything. We should have an open season on them but they are protected by law.
 

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:roll:" Canada's diminished image"...........Is that an oxymoron??

Oh well, its not sealed in stone

Sealed with a kiss :oops:

Bootmarks on the "ceiling"........Grrrrrroaner 8O

Lets all go to New Sealand and protest their wabbit wreck.

Wabbits is much cuter than seals. D'oh.

Or wait till next year and do this all over again.

:idea:
 

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The point is that the natural environment is under unecessary stress.

Unecessary luxuries like fashion furs and diamonds contribute to vast degradation of our northern wilderness.

These practices should be abolished.
 

Machjo

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Re: RE: Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image

quinton said:
The point is that the natural environment is under unecessary stress.

Unecessary luxuries like fashion furs and diamonds contribute to vast degradation of our northern wilderness.

These practices should be abolished.

Nah, let the next generation deal with that.

Sure it'll be a disaster, but hey, it's not like we'll still be here. Let the grandkids deal with it.
 

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Why will it be a disaster? Our population of seals is very healthy with the hunt. I don't get why people are upset about sustainable hunts being held. How is it different from ranching cows or raising chickens?
 

Machjo

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tracy said:
Why will it be a disaster? Our population of seals is very healthy with the hunt. I don't get why people are upset about sustainable hunts being held. How is it different from ranching cows or raising chickens?

But those seals are sooooooooo cuuuute. Cutsey Wutsey. Chicoo chicoo chicoo.... BAM!
 

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tracy said:
Why will it be a disaster? Our population of seals is very healthy with the hunt. I don't get why people are upset about sustainable hunts being held. How is it different from ranching cows or raising chickens?

I just returned from a training course in Halifax. One of my fellow trainees was a Newfie...........ex-fisherman, ex-sealer, ex master of his own ship. Fell down in rough seas and broke his back, so he now works with us.

As a sealer, he had some choice words on the subject of Pamela Anderson, who was mouthing off at the Junos.

Anyway, I came down to breakfast at the hotel one morning to find Dave wearing an SPCA t-shirt. I thought it was a joke, and prodded him about it, and he became quite upset.

"I hate cruelty to animals" he said "I'm a member of the SPCA"

Hunter, small-time farmer, sealer, and member of the SPCA.
Pamela would be shocked.

I guess your definition of cruelty to animals depends on your culture, eh?

I'm with Dave on this one.
 

tracy

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Machjo said:
tracy said:
Why will it be a disaster? Our population of seals is very healthy with the hunt. I don't get why people are upset about sustainable hunts being held. How is it different from ranching cows or raising chickens?

But those seals are sooooooooo cuuuute. Cutsey Wutsey. Chicoo chicoo chicoo.... BAM!

:lol: Yes, they are. I just don't see why cute = worthy to live and uncute = killable. Plus, I think calves are pretty cute:)
 

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Jersay said:
I don't support some actions like what Paul McCartney did but I don't support Canada's seal hunt but I believe it should continue until another occupation or a 'decreased' limit of seal hunting or more regulations can be reached but the reactions by these seal hunters and their supporters in Quebec and Newfoundland are sad and could have gotten people killed.

They claim they were trying to spare people's lives but they didn't give a damn if someone was killed. They should have been arrested. Lazy cops.


Jersay, surrounding a helicopter so it cannot take off is similar to surrounding a business so it cannot work, or surrounding a fishing/sealing/whaling vessel so it cannot harvest animals. The IFAW and Greenpeace have done their fair share of that as well. If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. I don't want police arresting IFAW members for assembling and protesting, and similarly I don't want them arresting when Sealers do the same thing.

As well, the Sea Shepherd society has repeatedly rammed and sabotaged vessels themselves. They can't expect to be treated any differently. When it comes down to that, I doubt the sealers rammed the protestors vessel. They probably continued on course, while the sealers refused to move. Chances are pretty good that the sealers boat was the stand-on vessel, so the protestors have a legal obligation to get out of the way. That's not partisan politics either, that's the International Law of the Sea.


here you go, Landsmen...

Canada Shipping Act, Rule 18

Responsibilities between vessels

a) A power driven vessel ( i.e, Zodiac with an outboard motor) shall keep out of the way of"
- A vessel not under command
- a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver
- a vessel engaged in Fishing ( or sealing!)...


Rule 17
Action by Stand-on Vessel

Where one of two vessels is to keep out of the way of the other, shall keep her course and speed

Rule 16
Action by give-way vessel

Any vessel which is directed to keep out of way of another vessel shall, so far as possible, take early and substantial action to keep well clear.

The protestors have the legal duty to remain WELL clear of a vessel engage in fishing ( sealing counts), or a vessel in restricted waters (pack ice). They didn't, an accident ensued. Were they anyone other than celebrities and protesters they would have been fined for that, perhaps disallowed their use of Canadian waters.
 

tracy

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Colpy said:
tracy said:
Why will it be a disaster? Our population of seals is very healthy with the hunt. I don't get why people are upset about sustainable hunts being held. How is it different from ranching cows or raising chickens?

I just returned from a training course in Halifax. One of my fellow trainees was a Newfie...........ex-fisherman, ex-sealer, ex master of his own ship. Fell down in rough seas and broke his back, so he now works with us.

As a sealer, he had some choice words on the subject of Pamela Anderson, who was mouthing off at the Junos.

Anyway, I came down to breakfast at the hotel one morning to find Dave wearing an SPCA t-shirt. I thought it was a joke, and prodded him about it, and he became quite upset.

"I hate cruelty to animals" he said "I'm a member of the SPCA"

Hunter, small-time farmer, sealer, and member of the SPCA.
Pamela would be shocked.

I guess your definition of cruelty to animals depends on your culture, eh?

I'm with Dave on this one.

I feel the same way. I am a HUGE animal lover. I don't know anyone who treats their dog any better than me. I mean, come on! My dog has a regular babysitter for when I go to work and has as many clothes as I do. He's spoied rotten. I don't want to see any animal suffer. But, a quick death is not suffering. It's humane.
 

Machjo

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Re: RE: Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image

tracy said:
Machjo said:
tracy said:
Why will it be a disaster? Our population of seals is very healthy with the hunt. I don't get why people are upset about sustainable hunts being held. How is it different from ranching cows or raising chickens?

But those seals are sooooooooo cuuuute. Cutsey Wutsey. Chicoo chicoo chicoo.... BAM!

:lol: Yes, they are. I just don't see why cute = worthy to live and uncute = killable. Plus, I think calves are pretty cute:)

Well, I'm a vegan since I don't believe in eating animals. But clubbing them? Now that's a sport! But don't worry, I don't believe in discrimination. So I club them indiscriminately, regardless of the cute factor. Cows are the easiest targets 'cause their heads are so big (can't miss 'em!) :D