The Hunt is Coming

amanda1
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As we have the Rome Statute of the ICC, a world court contract from Canada. Canada also signed a world international courts animal protection contract...and ratified. But has been found gulty of Sadis....well you read.

Reducing the seal population may simply increase the populations of other cod predators, but won't necessarily help the cod's recovery. Approximately 3% of a harp seal's diet may be commercially fished cod; harp seals also eat many significant predators of cod, such as squid.
The truth is, this again is avoiding the issue if I say the Inuit’s were told not to eat the fish because of the mercury found, however foreign fishermen were allowed. Studies show that little mercury actually harms you. So saying this I am saying yes I understand the governments need to make money especially from tourism in this fishing area. But to claim killing seals WILL help increase cod stocks because of both seal and over fishing is an out and out lie. Most sealers make around 1500.00…supplemented income off of this hunt, this year may be slower do to ice decline and seal scarcity (regardless of what they tell you). However with that stated multiply it by the sealers and then subtract it from the amount our Government rakes in.
The point again who stands to make the most off of this hunt>? Our government, so why would they be honest? The truths is, yes over fishing is a problem and has been but without tourist there will be less money for the province which rakes in more annually than the seal hunt does. Many people have said they would take vacations in order to see the seal in their natural habitat, but can not bring themselves to visit because of the continuous thoughts of a seal cull taking place every year. Imagine the money lost here for that province. Canada is going to destroy a beauty most have never seen and never will for fear of thinking about the hunt or seeing the hunt. There is only a short window to see these babies. Yes it has been a way of life for some, but the Inuit’s who this culture truly belongs to did not conduct themselves in this way. If you eat the entire seal I would be more for it; however as with all warm blooded animals which are killed in mass numbers for food consumption these can not be regulated, because they are simply wild. The Inuit’s for survival purposes hunted in this manner. They first let the dogs sniff out the seal's breathing hole. When the dogs found a seal-breathing hole, the hunter used his harpoon to find it himself. When it was found he dug out the hole just to be sure it was there. Once the hunter had confirmed that the seal hole was actually there, he filled it back up with snow and left just a little hole. He then put a little contraption to see when the seal had come to its breathing hole. The contraption was made out of bone with a tiny piece of feather down frozen to it. When the seal breathed it vibrates the down. The hunter waited patiently, for many hours sometimes, until he saw the vibration and he quickly hurdled his harpoon into the hole. The harpoon tip was connected to the shaft by a line called a harpoon line. When thrown the tip disengaged and hit the seal. The hunter then pulled up the seal. One seal provided the Inuit people with food for many days. The argument for me is not the killing of the seals, but the killing of the seals for their pelt, or the mass killing of wild animals who would be just fine if we humans would leave them alone, unless for food. We do not need to and can not control the echo system; looking at where we are today we can not even say we are equipped. The argument is not slaughter houses. As much as I do not like them, they are regulated and we find diseases quick enough to prevent bad outcomes most of the time, this is a more controlled environment. We also raise them for the main purpose of food. We raise them, we foot the bill to house raise and slaughter them. They are not wild warm blooded animals, in which we know better than to cull. The effects will be devastating the past has shown us this. And if we ignore it for a few extra dollars our children will suffer. An international court in Geneva found Canada guilty on all counts; they were legally defended, so why is it being ignored? www.boycott-canada.com/news/geneva.htm. Also Greenland has now decided to boycott all seal products from Canada because of the way this hunt is conducted. We just no longer live in a world where everyone can do their own thing if it is blatantly inhumane and completely senseless. Other issues in the world are not the issue so let us recognize this seal hunt only right now.
I also realise we claim to eat 325,000 seal but give me a break, we see the evidence contrary, and speaking honestly we know it is just not possible when there is absolutly no demand for seal products outside of pelt and some meat in Newfoundland and Labrador areas.
 
amanda1
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boycott-canada.com/news/geneva
Here is the link if it makes even a bit of a difference
 
Sassylassie
#33
No thank you, I support the sealers and their right to earn a living.
 
Jo Canadian
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#34
Perhaps a trip to the region in question should enlighten ye on what people there sustain themselves on nutritionally and economically eh? Anyways you forgot Nunavut and the NWT. Besides caribou, seal is also necessary for families that can't afford overpriced groceries.

If the demand and the need for it is in the region they're caught in, who cares if it is not shipped across country where people would prefer something else.
 
#juan
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amanda1

The government does not make money from the seal hunt. The seal hunters are not subsidized. The seal protesters make ten times what the sealers make from the hunt. The "cute" little seals are havested for their pelts and meat just like "cute" beef calves are harvested for veal.
 
amanda1
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Actually, that link was not for a boycott, but only to show that through evidence presented by opponents against the seal hunt in geneva (international court). We do have those now. For the world (ICC) for people's rights (read the rome statute of the ICC) and for the world animals (the international court of justice for world animals), which Canada has signed both and ratified (you know one world government....yada....we are not in Kansas anymore) The point is...Canada through evidence was found guilty in the world court for the rights of animals a court equvilant to the ICC for people...but for world animals...(whew) ....Based on the evidence of the witnesses and examination of the evidence, the International Court of Justice for Animal Rights, represented by 9 members of the jury and three judges, (in Geneva) declared that the Canadian Authorities were guilty of all the counts and that it their cruelty excluded Canada from socially accepted realms due to a ‘sadistically orientated minority’.
The Court then appealed to the Canadian Government to put an immediate stop to ‘this immoral and dishonourable hunt’ and to the European Union ‘to implement an import ban on all products stemming from the Canadian seal hunt’ And here we are today...and Morrissey has said it great...."The Canadian Prime Minister also states that the slaughter is necessary because it provides jobs for local communities, but this is an ignorant reason for allowing such barbaric and cruel slaughter of beings that are denied life simply because somebody somewhere might want to wear their skin. Construction of German gas chambers also provided work for someone - this is not a moral or sound reason for allowing suffering." So here we are in the world for the very worst of reasons. I guess here are our true colours. I suppose China gets away with it due to communism, the question is how will we, when we signed in agreement and radified? Somehow it is really weird the seals are only hunted when their pelt is perfect for sale, babies, which is not ever practised in correct maintenance of wild animal proceedures. Coincidence? I think not. We all down deep know better and that is the real truth of it.
 
FiveParadox
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amanda1, then the "slaughter" (I have to laugh at the overuse of this term, in any context that may involve cute creatures, yet the same, or greater degree of the termination of lives elsewhere, on non-cute creatures, is nothing of the sort) of livestock such as cows, pigs, chickens and the like, should be even more disturbing to you, correct?

Isn't it abhorrent, that thousands of chickens are slaughtered just because someone, somewhere, might one day want chicken? Isn't it abhorrent that cows are slaughtered, just because someone, somewhere might want beef? If you can inform me as to how the deaths of these seals are different, then I would be happy to entertain you.

Despite the fact that she may have had a somewhat uneloquent way of expressing her opinion, I now entirely agree with the Honourable Céline Hervieux-Payette, P.C., a Senator for Québec and the Senatorial Division of Bedford. These protests are beginning to irritate me, because they are based entirely on the "cute 'n' cuddly" factor rather than the "fact" factor.
 
amanda1
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Honestly, for me this is about the mass slaughter of warm blooded marine wildlife, mostly for pelt. Cows and chickens are raised and contained for human consumption and can be properly regulated. Yes, slaughter is the word, you keep referring to them (seals) as being like cows and chickens raised in captivity, that are also slaughtered. I do believe the terminology is correct then. When people stop trying to put them in the same catagory with domestically raised livestock, that, yes, are also slaughtered, I will not use the word slaughter again....deal? However this is not the same, did you purchase the birds on your land that your house is on? Remember you do not have the right to go out and kill birds just for their feathers. Through this practice we have saw the greatest extinction ever, including the time of the dinosaurs. If sealers want to first purchase the seals, raise them and then breed them for the purpose of slaughter for fur and meat, so be it. All warm bloodied animals slaughtered in such mass numbers by any other country today are domesticated animals raised for this purpose, because proper regulation and breeding to maintain constant preservation. In the wild you can not truly count the seals and be correct. You can not for see envoronmental changes as quick as over night that might change this number drastically, as with many other mass culled extinct species of our fathers past. So the seals have to either be left alone or raised for consumption so they can be maintained viable. We have learned this from our past. Now chickens...since this seems to be the route we always go which is away from the true issue I suppose. Bird flu...we have managed to contain it because of these safe practices. Animals that are wild pose little effect from illness to humans when left alone. It is constant contact with humans through breeding species through many reasons we get our illnesses and they get theirs. The seal will not subcome to being raised in captivity for fur and meat consumption, so what is left is extinction if we continue to cull them in this manner. Culling one species to protect another, judging from history has only worsened things. Where the seal is concerned only about 34% of the meat is actually used, stating that they are mainly culled for pelt. The seal stocks are not as viable as one may think, we will lose some to drowning and loss of food supply, due to over fishing from everyone. What if 325,000 is a wrong figure because we didn't realise 250,000 would be killed in some other manner we as humans never foresee. The truth is we have no right. Wild animals need now more than ever to be protected so we can protect ourselves from the awful damage we have already caused because once again we miss calculated. The fact still remains the mass culling of wild animals under the age of 10 months is absurd.
And if you agree with the Senator, then you agree with ignoring rape because we have a murderer, you also agree that our Government, using Government letter head can speak for you without first asking you. Say good-bye democracy, that's what I say, whether you believe in the hunt or not....She was not speaking for all Canadians and should NOT have said so.
 
Jo Canadian
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#39
It seems some Inuks have gotten together to post a message on how they view the reasonings behind the protests, and puts the shoe on the other foot.



 
amanda1
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The cow is not a wild warm blooded animal killed only for leather. The people who slaughter cows for commercial purposes have strict guidelines....even though yes it is ugly, they are raised for food consumption (raised)...oh but first they must PURCHASE their cows or raise them for commercial food consumption, they are not wild warm blooded animals (which fish are not) which are illegal to kill for commercial purposes, (in contract sighning democratic countries such as ours)wild animals can only be killed for personal consumption. So the issue is not the same. And the Inuits are also being mislead, again, it is not the Inuit hunt for survival on attack here, but the commercial cull of wild animals for pelt. Baby animals I might add.
 
Jay
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I really think you people need to get jobs or something.

Oh and when I say jobs I mean real jobs, not Paul McCarthy and Bridget Bordeaux jobs. What do these tools know about anything?
 
Melanie
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<<<Has a job...

But does not consider clubbing baby seal a job. It is more like...playing hide and seek with 5 month olds....C'mone people!

And you know very little of Paul McCartney and Bridgett to assume they don't have jobs and work very hard....

Let me see what is more a job?

Trying to get a bunch of dumb cavemen to realise we are not still living in caves. Wearing seal guts, getting rammed when a supposed legal hunt isn't so legal? Fighting a bunch of has beens on ice the democratic way through the court systems, winning and not being able to inforce the decision of a court in a civilized society such as the rest of Canada. Or the supposed state of it, saying we allow protesters and then arresting them for obvious reasons which are clearly shame and denial along with greed and fear on our part? etc......
OR?

Getting drunk and batting baby seal for their fur?..........Jeez Jay.........
 
Jay
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Welcome to the board Melanie.
 
Doryman
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I find it ludicrous that you believe it is humane for the cattle industry to raise animals from babies in captivity, pump them full of drugs and chemicals, all for the chance to be killed... but you believe that a wild mammal industry, that kills the animal as quickly and cleanly as possible and leaves them in freedom for the other 360 days of the year, is brutal. That's a nice little Townie mentality for you, "Animals would much rather be kept prisoner for years before the 'slaughter' than live afree life."

And watch what you say about "baby" seals. It annoyed me when that McCartney Banshee kept comparing month old seals to month old babies.. because y'know, they are at the exact same stage of development, like 7 yr old Dogs are at the same levels of 7yr old children...


And the seals are not on their way to extinction. The seal hunts of the past 500 years were ten times larger than the present ones, and the seals are thriving. If the hunts of the past didn't destroy them, this much smaller, modified one will not.
 
Doryman
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Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

<<<Has a job...

But does not consider clubbing baby seal a job. It is more like...playing hide and seek with 5 month olds....C'mone people!

And you know very little of Paul McCartney and Bridgett to assume they don't have jobs and work very hard....

Let me see what is more a job?

Trying to get a bunch of dumb cavemen to realise we are not still living in caves. Wearing seal guts, getting rammed when a supposed legal hunt isn't so legal? Fighting a bunch of has beens on ice the democratic way through the court systems, winning and not being able to inforce the decision of a court in a civilized society such as the rest of Canada. Or the supposed state of it, saying we allow protesters and then arresting them for obvious reasons which are clearly shame and denial along with greed and fear on our part? etc......
OR?

Getting drunk and batting baby seal for their fur?..........Jeez Jay.........

- Mmm. McCartney make his living by singing songs and smoking weed. Real hardworking guy.


- The protestors have as many cameras as possible to document this barabaric slaughter.... But didn't manage to get the "ramming" on tape. yeah.


- I don't remember living in a cave lately... or getting drunk on my way to work.

Fine. F1ck it. we'll just all go on welfare. Hell with the lot of ye.
 
Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by Doryman

Fine. F1ck it. we'll just all go on welfare. Hell with the lot of ye.



I keep threatening to do the same thing!
 
#juan
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#47
Absolutely right Doryman

There is one thing though. The seal hunt protesters are making many, many millions of dollars from the seal hunt. The International Wildlife Fund raised over 75 million dollars. What did they spend it on. I suspect McCartney & crew got a few million to go to the ice flows. I don't suppose there is any chance he will drown...............nah, the seal hunters would probably rescue him.
 
Doryman
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Sounds about right... The money they make could easily go to pay off every sealer so he wouldn't go to the hunt. Out of the 77 million raised by the IFAW each year, about 5000 for each Sealer would cover the expenses. Thus they could end the Hunt, and still be, as they so often claim, "on the side of the workers".yeah I think they can swing it... But they never will, for the same reason GE doesn't make longer-lasting lightbulbs. Never cook the golden goose.

What Canada needs to do is exactly what the Alaskans, British and Greenlanders do. Make it illegal for any protestors to get within visual range of the hunt. When's the last time anyone saw a video from the Greenland hunt? And whens the last time anyone saw IFAW protesting it? Yep, the cash only flows when you can provide pictures of fuzzie-wuzzies. The "Facts" these characters blow off about rarely hold up without emotional images.
 
Melanie
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-Yes paul McCartney does make his living on songs, he may smoke pot who knows? However I doubt he sell's it for extra income. Even if he did, I doubt it is in the same catagory with baby seal killing. But there is a market for McCartneys songs. But not for 325,000 baby seal for food. The consumer reports on sales tell the truth. And these are mandated by the Government NOT the protesters. By the way last time I checked a world court didn't find Paul McCartney guilty of Barbaric and Sadistic behaviour, like I read above, and outlaw him singing his songs. I guess most would, if not tremendously enjoy McCartneys songs at least be able to hear them without vomiting, on the other hand let us look at the supposed humanely killed seal that bleeds to death on the ice, just for pelt.

-Last I checked it was legal to own camera's and seems like today they are a few short because the footage you say they didn't get was taken by our borderline communist government where this is concerned.....hmmmm. Seems right before they were arrested they had footage of seal guts being hurled at them also. Any Intelligent human being can see the truth.

-well statistics taken on safety say sealers are more than 45% more likely to seal while intoxicated than the same report taken in 2002. WOW! You a sealer? Well at least we know we have one straight one out there. Eexactly as I stated we don't live in caves anymore, so we at least agree on that, so why act like cavemen?

-Welfare....hey why not? Welfare pays more and isn't inhumane, last I checked and didn't make the majority sick to their stomachs either. (remember welfare sometimes causes the person receiving it to feel unworthy, but doesn't usually harm or upset the rest of the world) So this makes sealers feel worthy? Give us all a break! better suggestion, why not move and get a real job, a humane one? Not one that again shows the dirty little secrets of people who like free money at any cost. Be like the miners, when their REAL JOB closes, find another REAL JOB. A humane one, even singing songs, I doubt you will get any protest of sadistic behaviour while doing it.

People like politicians when caught doing something wrong always try to get the attention off of the issue, which is, sealers have no right and jurisdiction over the seals they kill for pelt, they do not own them, and have no right to make money off of the slaying of something they do not own.

And the misconception that these protesters make tons, is a foolish one and makes our government look like an embarassment to the intelligent world.

Commentary by Paul Watson
Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
There seems to be common theme running through the propaganda efforts of seal slaughter defenders. The accusation is that we defenders of the seals are defending seals for the money.

The perception from Newfoundland is that all of us who are opposing the slaughter of seals are making vast sums of money and that we are stockpiling incredible wealth in offshore bank accounts.

Last year, in a radio debate with former Canadian Natural Resources Minister John Efford, he openly accused me of having a secret offshore bank account where I’ve deposited “millions of dollars” obtained from members of the gullible public.

Of course, being a member of the Liberal cabinet he was quite familiar with offshore bank accounts, slush funds, and easy money. In fact, Efford collected a hefty paycheck on a very extended sick leave until forced to resign for dereliction of his duties.

And this year, we have a new cast of Newfoundland politicians like Premier Danny Williams and Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn screaming about vast sums of money being made by the people working to end the slaughter of seals.

It is interesting that all three of these men hail from Newfoundland, because pretty much all of the hate mail that I get is from Newfoundland and says the same thing. These people are obsessed with the fantasy that we have all become millionaires from saving seals.

One of the reasons for this is that they can’t imagine doing anything without making money from it. The very idea of spending time without profit to stop the killing of seals is extremely alien to these critics.

I also love how they keep changing the subject. Today one such critic asked me what we were doing to help bears in China. The answer is that we support Animals Asia and their efforts to save bears. [--

They also ask what we are doing to stop the slaughter of cows, pigs, and chickens. The answer is simple – we don’t eat them. Of course, when you say that, they label you a fanatic. You can’t win, a hypocrite if you eat meat and a fanatic if you don’t.

It is constantly a game of distraction with them. Heather Mills McCartney scolded Premier Danny Williams quite properly on the Larry King show when she accused him of being a typical politician, constantly changing the subject and trying to distract from the issue.

But really, that is all that Danny and his fellow seal killers can do. How else can they defend the grossly inhumane and viciously cruel mass slaughter of baby seals? How else can they even attempt to overcome the images of steaming scarlet blood on pristine ice floes or the awful image of grown men swinging clubs to smash and shatter the tiny, thin skulls of little seal pups?

The fact is that sealers are barbarians engaged in an industry that belongs in the dark ages. This kind of torturous trade in pain and carnage has no place in the modern world. It is archaic barbarism plain and simple.

But if Williams, Loyola, and Efford really believe that we are in it for the money, then I have some advice for them: End it! Cut off the supposed source of our wealth. Take away the reason you believe we are making tons of money. Stop killing seals.

I really wish we were raising the great sums of money that these foul defenders of slaughter say we are. It would give us more resources with which to battle their horrendous obscene little industry.

The fact is that every dollar, every pound, euro, and peso we collect to oppose the slaughter of the seals is spent on opposing the slaughter of the seals.

We are public a charity. Our books are open. If we were abusing our funding, we would go to jail. And because we are controversial, we have been audited.

And guess what Williams, Loyola, and Efford? We passed the audit by the Internal Revenue Service without any penalties. Why? Because your propaganda is just that – nothing more than lies created for the sole purpose of attempting to discredit people who are passionately compassionate.

Do you think we like being attacked by your thugs on the ice? Do you think I enjoyed being beaten severely by drunken, violent sealers in the Madgalen Islands? Do you think we like being arrested and jailed – humiliated by Fisheries officers who are nothing more than hired goons for the sealers? Would we endure this for money?

No guys, we do it because we honestly, truly, and sincerely care about these victims of your insane cruelty.

I first opposed your bloody slaughter as a boy of ten in New Brunswick. Do you think I was motivated then by some idea that I would get wealthy from saving seals? Do you really think we are wealthy now? You’re in government, you have access. Check our tax records and offer up some evidence. Oh yes, I forgot, we’re secretly hording funds in offshore accounts. I’m sure, however, you can find a paper trail to back up your bogus allegations.

But, you don’t need to. Do you? Why? Because you have people willing to believe your lies and you provide them with these lies so they will vote for you. The truth would not get you re-elected.

One of the funniest accusations came a few years ago from former Canadian Fisheries Minister John Crosbie. He accused us of having a Swiss bank account. He said he had proof that we had a Swiss bank account. And he was right, he did. The account was in the name of Sea Shepherd Switzerland. Where do you think they would have a bank account – in Germany perhaps? It had 112 Swiss francs in it at the time. The balance of that account never exceeded 2,000 francs. Minor details, but that did not stop Crosbie from crying “Eureka” like he just got the goods on Al Capone.

Meanwhile, his boss Brian Mulroney was sending his wife off to New York on shopping junkets with mysterious cash taken directly from a safe in the Prime Minister’s office.

Oh, what tangled webs you politicians weave when you practice to deceive.
 
sanch
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Morrissey says he won't play Canada because of seal hunt
TERRY WEBER

Globe and Mail Update

Former Smiths lead singer Morrissey says he won't play any Canadian dates on his upcoming world tour in protest of the seal hunt.

In a statement posted on Morrissey fan Web site True To You, the singer offers a harsh criticism of hunt — which he terms an "horrific slaughter" — and Prime Minister Stephen Harper's defence of it.

"The Canadian Prime Minister says the so-called cull is economically and environmentally justified, but this is untrue," the singer said.

"The seal population has looked after itself for thousand of years without human intervention, and, as the world knows, this slaughter is about one thing only: making money."

Morrissey is gearing up a tour to promote his upcoming album, Ringleader Of The Tormentors. The first single, You Have Killed Me, was released in Britain this week.

But he says he won't play any dates in Canada and has called on fans to boycott Canadian goods, accusing the country of placing "itself alongside China as the cruellest and most self-serving nation."

"I fully realize that the absence of any Morrissey concerts in Canada is unlikely to bring the Canadian economy to its knees, but it is our small protest against this horrific slaughter," he said.

He also dismisses arguments that the hunt is an economic necessity by providing jobs to local communities.

"Construction of German gas chambers also provided work for someone -- this is not a moral or sound reason for allowing suffering," he said.

"If you can, please boycott Canadian goods. It will make a difference."

A number of celebrities have arrived in Canada in recent weeks to protest the hunt.

In February, Sir Paul McCartney, an ex-Beatle and vegan, came to Canada with his wife, Heather Mills McCartney, to stage a high-profile protest. After posing on ice floes in the Gulf of St. Lawrence, Mr. McCartney went head-to-head with Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams on CNN's Larry King Live.

The singer called the hunt a stain on the Canadian people. But Mr. Williams stood his ground, arguing that it provides a livelihood to remote communities.

Earlier this month, French actress Brigitte Bardot took her campaign against the centuries-old hunt to Ottawa, holding a press conference and requesting a meeting with Mr. Harper.

Mr. Harper refused, saying "I respect Ms. Bardot and all other famous people who have causes, but it's not in my nature to need to have my picture taken with celebrities."

The annual hunt began last weekend.

Separately Tuesday, actress Pamela Anderson has asked for a meeting with the Prime Minister following her hosting duties at Sunday's Juno Awards in Halifax.

[I hope she brings Tommy. If not this may be the real reason Harper does not want cameras at his meetings.]


"As a proud Canadian who frequently travels abroad, I am alarmed that people are starting to see Canada as a country more beholden to a pack of greedy hunters and to the seal-skin 'fashion' whims of a few countries than to the massive international outcry against the hunt," Ms. Anderson, a vocal member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said in a letter faxed to Mr. Harper's office.

"One of the biggest problems facing the U.S. government is appearing aloof about its own hostile behaviour; I'd hate to see that happen north of the border too."

The actor and model said she's collected thousands of signatures via an on-line PETA petition protesting the seal hunt.

Ms. Anderson, who is from Ladysmith, B.C., said she wants to visit Ottawa on Monday to meet with Harper.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...8.wmorriss0328
 
Jay
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#51
"Ms. Anderson, who is from Ladysmith, B.C., said she wants to visit Ottawa on Monday to meet with Harper."

I guess she doesn't know the Conservatives won the election.
 
#juan
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Oh God No!....

Former Smiths lead singer Morrissey says he won't play any Canadian dates on his upcoming world tour in protest of the seal hunt.

Who is he again?
 
Doryman
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It isn't actually a misconception, Amanda. IFAW has admitted that they average about 77 million a year from their protests and donations, most of which comes from their protest of the seal hunt.

And if sealers do not own the seals they kill, will you argue that fishermen do not own the fish they catch? I guess if you really want to take it farther, you'd have to admit that you do not own the seals either, nor do McCartney, Watson or PETA and thus have no say in the matter.

Drunken Statistics say... where? And please post a reputable link, not one for Paris Hiltons Webring or paul Watsons personal Blog.


No market for baby seals? You ever come to Newfoundland? There's barely a restaurant around that doesn't sell flipper pie and other dishes made from seal meat. There are thousands of items that use the Omega 3 we glean from harvested seals. And the furs sell like hot-cakes. If there was no market for this, why would we be doing it??....

Oh right! Once every year all us Newfoundlanders take a vacation from our million-dollar jobs, and scurry out to the ice for an old-fashioned drunken seal-clubbing soiree. We have bar-Mitzvahs out there as well, so come have a dandy time!!!

Who outlawed Newfoundland sealing, by the way, and why exactly would they do that while declaring the Greenland hunt and the Alaskan cull completely legal? Are these the same chaps that refuse to charge foreign vessels illegally fishing in newfoundlands Waters? NAFO perhaps? Or that lofty international institution, the FuzzyFriend Eco Buddies Brigade

we don't live in caves anymore, so we at least agree on that, so why act like cavemen?

And we've never lived in kennels, so why act like a b-....



I don't know which of the intellectual luminaries PETA puts forward make me want to rally to ths cause more... the half-baked guitar strummer, the washed-up actress, or that Silicone Siren of the West Coast. MAN! Its like the Nobel Peace Prizes over there!
 
Sassylassie
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#54
Ah, nothing like signing on to the forum to find a newbie posting insulting post towards NFL sealers, and the Newfoundland people.

Do I smell agenda, propaganda? What do they troll all day looking to find a forum so they can shove their beliefs down our throats.
I'd rather have Flipper Pie, thanks anyway.

P.S. Dory man have a great day and "Long Live the Seal Hunt."
 
Doryman
#55
I'll cook you up some Sassy!!

Is Green the color of plants, or money anyway?

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250,000 a year compensation for protesting the Seal hunt? You'd think he'd donate 200,000 of that to help save the seals, wouldn't you?...

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And remember.. this is what they admit to having. And we all know how these corporate types like to play with numbers...
 
Sassylassie
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#56
Dory most worthy causes I support, this one is not a worthy cause. It should be called Pita, as in Pita bread open it up and it's empty.

Money, money and more money. Green, yep the color of money. A charity I think not, it's nothing more than a PR stunt for celebs and the rich and famous. It's all about getting their pictures/names in the paper, flash and money. That reminds me it's time to take out the trash.

Soon they will get bored and head to their summer places in the Hamptons.

Thanks for the pie Dory.
 
Melanie
#57
As I read above, the international court for animal rights found sealers and the Canadian Government guilty of sadistic behaviour, that's who says its illegal. Remember, you can not be that far behind in times, we have one world courts now, which Canada did radify in agreement to. But I guess we can ignore what the courts tell us, because you know Canadians, some of us we will lie cheat and steal just to be right, others that don't just ignore it.
Oh I know there is a market for seal meat in northern areas of Canada, but not 325,000 carcusses. Also I know there is a demand for pelt, in asia. Greenland....Alaska? Greenland and America has banned all seal produsts from Canada. Mass slaughter of seal takes place in neither country, only ours, truth the ones killed there are trapped. Trapped, not so called hunted. So where is the reason, how is it like 325,000 dead seals for pelt? The fact is people like drug addicts never see the effect they have by the terrible things they do for money.
 
Jay
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

Remember, you can not be that far behind in times, we have one world courts now, which Canada did radify in agreement to.

That should change immediately.
 
Sassylassie
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#59
Has anyone else noticed that these trolls only speak up when the Seal Harvest is active. If this cause is so un-just where are you and the rest of the activists after the Harvest. What I can't hear you from the Hamptons. Of course you only get photo ops once a year.

Yes it's about money, not the sealers being the greedy pigs, but the activist who are handsomley paid to scream and rant and rave. It's very amusing, like watching the bull across the street chase the the cows.
 
Melanie
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Funny, my friends and I researched all restaurants and their menues in NewFoundland and guess what? If they all serve it, they are ashamed of it. Then you won't have to worry about seeing us trolls next year, because by then with a second conviction in the world courts, boycotts, and other means this will be illegal completely, as like killing the white coats. Remember, the last time this happened in such a mass number white coats became illegal. Now we have an animal rights world court standing behind us on the rights of these animals as the people of the world do through the International Criminal Court.
 

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