Emerson Crosses the Floor!!!


TenPenny
#1
So, let's hear everyone insist he resign and stand for a byelection.

David Emerson has crossed the floor to join the Tories.

Let the excuses begin!!!!!!!!!!! Will he get a cabinet post? Will we hear choruses of insults about how brainless he must be, and suggestions that he's nothing but a *****?

Come on, step up to the plate, all of you who had lots to say about Belinda Stronach.
 
TenPenny
#2
And now it looks like an UN ELECTED person will be part of the cabinet?

That's a good step in the direction of responsibility, too.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#3
canada news
Monday, Feb 06, 2006

Liberal Emerson crosses the floor to sit in Conservative cabinet

OTTAWA (CP) - Former Liberal industry minister David Emerson is crossing the floor and will sit in the Conservative cabinet.

Stunned onlookers barely had a chance to ask a question of the Vancouver MP and former head of lumber giant Canfor as he strolled into Rideau Hall shortly before the Tory cabinet was being announced. Emerson is the new Tory minister of international trade, with responsibilities for the Vancouver Olympics.

Pinching Emerson might be seen as Conservative retribution for the defection of Belinda Stronach, who went from being a Tory leadership candidate to a Liberal cabinet minister in about a year.

Several Conservatives responded by demanding laws forcing floor-crossers to go back to the electorate for another mandate.

In the recent federal election, Emerson was featured in televised Liberal election ads promoting the party in British Columbia as the best choice for voters.

He was also frequently under fire from the Tories in the last Parliament over a multibillion-dollar program in the Industry Department.
 
sanch
#4
Personally I feel if a candidate runs on one platform and is elected on the basis of that platform and then changes party affiliation there should be a new election. With Stronach there was the immediate reward of a very high profile cabinet post. If the offer was made before she crossed the floor there is a big problem. We donít know because the Liberals conducted a lot their activities very secretively and then misrepresented (or lied about) what occurred.

(Harper has promised Canadians accountability and transparency and it is to soon to judge whether he will uphold this promise. If Emerson is given a cabinet post or is seen driving a new Porsche around Ottawa there should be an investigation.) Edit: Well they did it and I am not impressed. It is starting to appear that Canadians will have to revolt to get an honest government.

It should be the same standard for all.
 
Jay
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny


Let the excuses begin!!!!!!!!!!! Will he get a cabinet post? Will we hear choruses of insults about how brainless he must be, and suggestions that he's nothing but a *censored*?


You can't fault someone for coming to their senses. Belinda took a leave of absence from hers, so people said bad things....
 
manda
#6
I think that It's time to disband all the parties and have all people run as independants, but running as supporters of a particular leadership candidate. But that would be the logical thing to do...and logic doesn't seem to be in abundance anywhere these days.

Before you slough this off, think about it. It could easily work, and people could vote on bills as they felt about them, rather than what the party pressured them to do, majority vote wins...
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#7
Emerson was one of the things wrong with the Liberal party. Now he's one of the things wrong with the Conservative party.

You can't have it both ways Jay
 
Jay
#8
We will straighten him out Juan and if it doesn't work out, you can have him back.
 
manda
#9
Whatever Jay...I strongly believe that you're an in the closet Liberal
 
Jay
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by manda

I think that It's time to disband all the parties and have all people run as independants, but running as supporters of a particular leadership candidate. But that would be the logical thing to do...and logic doesn't seem to be in abundance anywhere these days.

Before you slough this off, think about it. It could easily work, and people could vote on bills as they felt about them, rather than what the party pressured them to do, majority vote wins...

I don't dismiss the idea, I just think it is illegal to say "you can't form a party".

"Freedom, equality, fraternity"
 
Jay
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by manda

Whatever Jay...I strongly believe that you're an in the closet Liberal

Has ITN been telling you lies about me again?
 
I think not
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by manda

Whatever Jay...I strongly believe that you're an in the closet Liberal

He told me so!!! :P
 
Jay
#13
I knew it!
 
manda
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Quote: Originally Posted by manda

I think that It's time to disband all the parties and have all people run as independants, but running as supporters of a particular leadership candidate. But that would be the logical thing to do...and logic doesn't seem to be in abundance anywhere these days.

Before you slough this off, think about it. It could easily work, and people could vote on bills as they felt about them, rather than what the party pressured them to do, majority vote wins...

I don't dismiss the idea, I just think it is illegal to say "you can't form a party".

"Freedom, equality, fraternity"

But the parties have out lived their usefulness, when no one has the same hard and solid resolves on matters, and people are starting to fly across the floor in all directions
 
manda
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by manda

Whatever Jay...I strongly believe that you're an in the closet Liberal

He told me so!!! :P

I can not out my sources.....they should probably pipe down a little to stay anonymous though...sheesh
 
Toro
#16
Good stuff.

I don't think that those who cross the floor should have to run in byelection anyways.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

So, let's hear everyone insist he resign and stand for a byelection.

David Emerson has crossed the floor to join the Tories.

Let the excuses begin!!!!!!!!!!! Will he get a cabinet post? Will we hear choruses of insults about how brainless he must be, and suggestions that he's nothing but a *censored*?

Come on, step up to the plate, all of you who had lots to say about Belinda Stronach.

Yeah, there should be rules requiring anyone that crosses the floor to run again in a by-election.

But there is not. The rules have yet to change, and you can't expect the Tories to play by rules that don't exist.

I can't uderstand this casual rewarding of turncoats with cabinet seats.

Let's hope the rules change SOON.
 
Jay
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by manda

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by manda

Whatever Jay...I strongly believe that you're an in the closet Liberal

He told me so!!! :P

I can not out my sources.....they should probably pipe down a little to stay anonymous though...sheesh

 
TenPenny
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

But there is not. The rules have yet to change, and you can't expect the Tories to play by rules that don't exist.

No, I guess it's too much to ask them to behave in the manner they espoused a scant few months ago. That would be too much of a stretch. Power is an amazing thing, isn't it?

Can you IMAGINE what Harper would have said, if the Liberals had appointed a non-elected person to cabinet?
 
Jay
#20
Certainly, you have a point TenPenny, But...


"The prime minister can appoint anyone to the cabinet, but tradition calls for an unelected minister to seek a seat within a reasonable time in a byelection. "

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...mps060206.html
 
I think not
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by manda

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by manda

Whatever Jay...I strongly believe that you're an in the closet Liberal

He told me so!!! :P

I can not out my sources.....they should probably pipe down a little to stay anonymous though...sheesh

Well gee manda, telling is half the fun.
 
Jay
#22
Telling is half the fun for ITN. The other half of the fun is making the story up!!
 
manda
#23
I don't know about the whole making it up Jay....
 
the caracal kid
#24
fits well with Harper's history of opportunism.

As for "the current rules": if Harper was what he preaches, he is free to operate by stricter standards than the official rules. That won't happen though, to all you floor-crossing whiners! Harper played those that voted for the cons so well. Now you can sit back and wonder how you could be so fooled.
 
sanch
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

fits well with Harper's history of opportunism.

As for "the current rules": if Harper was what he preaches, he is free to operate by stricter standards than the official rules. That won't happen though, to all you floor-crossing whiners! Harper played those that voted for the cons so well. Now you can sit back and wonder how you could be so fooled.

Much support went to Harper because of the lack of an alternative. Just because people were tired of corruption does not mean that they are naive enough to believe it won't occur again. Harper has a very slim mandate and he has to pass the accounatabity act. Then there will be statutory procedures in place to ensure that when the liberals regain power as the bourgeois party of Canada under Belinda Stronach they will at least be honest.
 
the caracal kid
#26
Harper painted himself as "mr clean" though!

There are no laws requiring him to only meet the minimum standard set by "laws". His ads were "stand up for canada". Well, we can see how far up he will stand, and it doesn't make him upstanding.

No excuses, Harper is acting consistant with his history. Expect more of it.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

Harper painted himself as "mr clean" though!

There are no laws requiring him to only meet the minimum standard set by "laws". His ads were "stand up for canada". Well, we can see how far up he will stand, and it doesn't make him upstanding.

No excuses, Harper is acting consistant with his history. Expect more of it.

Unfortunately, Harper's behaviour is consistent with just about EVERY politician's history.

While I don't think this is indicates a huge lack of principle in Harper, I am actually sorry this happened, Emerson should have been told to take a hike, or run in a byelection...........which he would probably loose.

And you are correct, Harper could have held his caucus to a higher standard than the rules.
 
Jay
#28
"Harper could have held his caucus to a higher standard than the rules."


And if Liberals held themselves to higher standards like the rules....
 
unclepercy
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Emerson was one of the things wrong with the Liberal party. Now he's one of the things wrong with the Conservative party.

You can't have it both ways Jay

Juan,
I read almost everything political on this forum, and I am still trying to learn about Canadian politics. Can you (hold the rotten tomatoes) explain what "crossing the floor" means? Thanks. Sometimes you just gotta ask.

Uncle
 
manda
#30
Hey uncle, it means switching parties, they're devided by sides of the floor in Parliment
 

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