Canada Needs Another Political party

Canada Needs Another Political party

bruju

#1Jan 17th, 2006

Canada Needs Another Political Party
The official Party of Ontario
Just like Quebec, Ont. should have a federal party of it's own to shape this country. We would not have to worry about the will of the other provinces as Ont. has the largest population in Canada we could be assured of the governing party of Canada.
Ontario would then be in a position to run Canada without interference from the other provinces, oh wait a second here
we already decide who the government of Canada is going to be.Let the dog wag the tale.

Calberty

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

You have a federal Ontario party: it's called 'the Liberals'.

bruju

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

My point

MMMike

Re: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

What's really needed is for Ontarians to realize we are getting raped by the transfers to the other provinces. We are being used as the piggy bank to fund the Liberals vote-buying schemes in every region of the country except our own. We create the wealth, but our provincial government and municipal governments sell off assets to meet basic services.

Darn, where is S-Ranger when you need him??

Jay

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

I couldn't agree more. A Party to represent Loyalist Ontario would serve us well.

the caracal kid

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

While your at it why not ask for a toronto separatist party? Why should toronto generate all the wealth and have it go to support the rest of ontario?

Canadiana doesn't need another party, it needs leadership with vision. Somebody that will light a fire under the apathetic backends of canukistanis.

Calberty

Re: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by MMMike

What's really needed is for Ontarians to realize we are getting raped by the transfers to the other provinces. We are being used as the piggy bank to fund the Liberals vote-buying schemes in every region of the country except our own. We create the wealth, but our provincial government and municipal governments sell off assets to meet basic services.

Darn, where is S-Ranger when you need him??

Agreed and it would help ALL of Canada by making regions and individuals take reponsibility for themselves. Here in Alberta we're desperate for workers while Ontarians and Albertans send money to Atlantic Canada to prop up Unemployment Insurance, , welfare and other programs. No one minds helping out the seniors in those provinces but able working adults...who themselves are now third and fourth generation 'takers'?

Makes me mad and I'm from Nova Scotia.

bruju

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Ontario has been supporting Canada since confederation,supporting the have not provinces to the point that we are almost a have not province. As the wealth of the other provinces increases Ontario's support dose not decrease. Two examples are Alberta and Newfoundland.
As these two provinces wealth grew they were left on the dole as far as transfer payments go.
By forming a political party in Ont. this could be one of the things that could and should be changed.

Jay

Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

While your at it why not ask for a toronto separatist party? Why should toronto generate all the wealth and have it go to support the rest of ontario?

Canadiana doesn't need another party, it needs leadership with vision. Somebody that will light a fire under the apathetic backends of canukistanis.

Toronto doesn't generate all the wealth in Ontario.

MMMike

#10

Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid
While your at it why not ask for a toronto separatist party? Why should toronto generate all the wealth and have it go to support the rest of ontario?

Canadiana doesn't need another party, it needs leadership with vision. Somebody that will light a fire under the apathetic backends of canukistanis.
Toronto doesn't generate all the wealth in Ontario.

Sure it does Jay. We have to support not only the entire country, but those bums out in Southwestern Ontario too. Especially London!

Jay

#11

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

That's it...I'm comming up there!!

I think not

#12

Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

That's it...I'm comming up there!!

Make sure you take the Royal Crest with you. :P

Jay

#13

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Oh I will....It's that sort of thing that puts the Fear of God into those people!!

MMMike

#14

Re: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Calberty

Agreed and it would help ALL of Canada by making regions and individuals take reponsibility for themselves. Here in Alberta we're desperate for workers while Ontarians and Albertans send money to Atlantic Canada to prop up Unemployment Insurance, , welfare and other programs. No one minds helping out the seniors in those provinces but able working adults...who themselves are now third and fourth generation 'takers'?

Makes me mad and I'm from Nova Scotia.

No kidding. You hear Paul Martin campaigning in Atlantic Canada promising improvements in EI?? Every election, never fails, if the Libs need votes out east, they sweeten the pot for the folks on the dole. I'm from N.B., there are tons of people for whom that is there way of life - work summers, get their hours, then take the rest of the year off. Rinse, lather, repeat. I work in the construction industry in T.O., which has a lot of Newfie labourers. These guys know to the minute when they qualify for enough EI benefits to get them through the winter, and will drop their jackhammers and walk off site. Of course the companies play along and pretend they were 'laid off" when in reality there is still plenty of work around.

MMMike

#15

Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

That's it...I'm comming up there!!

Bring it on, Mary!

Jay

#16

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

That's Bloody Mary to you!!

jimmoyer

#17

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

I used to like the idea of new parties, but now I don't.

Each new party seeks a constituency and seeks a
distinct brand identity that does little for unity.

Unity is what we seek.

Not disagreement.

Getting the job done is what we seek.
Solving problems is what we seek.

The power of less parties does embrace the Big Tent
concept.

In the American Republican Party you see
instances of Colin Powell speaking to a sea of white
faces extolling the virtues of Affirmative Action and
decrying Corporate Welfare.

In the American Demcratic Party you have some
who are anti-abortion but still work within that party
to seek accomodation on that hotly debated issue.

Instead of an endless splintering off into a myriad
number of smaller parties all dependent upon keeping
a separate identity and all of which have their hands
tied from seeking a blurring of that identity through
compromise ---- you got a situation of no problem
solving.

Curiosity

#18

Re: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Jim Moyer

Agreed. I am still trying to understand some of the ones down here as I seem to be all over the place ideologically.....

The fewer the better with generalized descriptives, and a concept of a myriad of philosophies contained therein.

A buffet for me if you will!

It's the acronyms that foil me every time. People start using them and I lose interest as I would on a battlefield reading military instructions.

Jay

#19

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Our new party would marginalize all the other parties that vie for Ontario seats...There would ultimately be only one party in Ontario dominating the rest of the country...bwwwahahahaha :P

JomZ

#20

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

AAnd what would this party stand for?

What would Ontario gain by having a regional party. We look at Quebec and the support for the Bloc ebbs and flows with the disintegration of the federalist parties (First it was the PCs and now it’s the Liberals).

Jay

#21

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

For starters...

This party would stand for the end of equalization schemes that don't work, and would have Ontario run it's own fiscal affairs and decide, at it's own leisure, the amounts of money we will give to the other provinces. (If they tow the line of course.)

JomZ

#22

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Okay that is one point, but what else?

Most political parties have platforms on issues, or at least a certain ideology. My guess is a conservative one along the lines of the PCs.

One thing would be to strengthen relationships between the provinces too make them more mutual instead of parasitic. Instead of trying to find ways to end equalization, why don’t we work to make the Maritimes more financially independent instead of just cutting them off altogether?

I am an Ontarian as well, and it is sad too see that our province is degrading due to lack of funding. Toronto seems to be the epicenter of this degradation, so maybe an Ontario focused party would be beneficial to the Parliament. We had the Reform, we have the Bloc, why not an Ontario Party.

Jay

#23

Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by JomZ

Instead of trying to find ways to end equalization, why don’t we work to make the Maritimes more financially independent instead of just cutting them off altogether?

I'm glad we agree on this party thing.

I found a document about equalization payments being detrimental the "poorer" provinces such as the Maritimes provinces. It reported that equalization payments force poor provinces to keep artificially high taxes in that province. If I can find the document (which I believe I have posted somewhere around here already), I will post it.

bruju

#24

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

I see Ontario forming a federal party within the next few years, much to the chagrin of the rest of Canada. Since we support and provide the largest portion of taxes to the feds we should aslo be able to decide where and how they are spent. The only way this can happen is with our own party

bruju

#25

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Jan 17th, 2006

bruju

#26

Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Jay

#27

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

You can say that again!

bruju

#28

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

seems I did

bruju

#29

RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today

the caracal kid

#30

Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by JomZ

Okay that is one point, but what else?

Most political parties have platforms on issues, or at least a certain ideology. My guess is a conservative one along the lines of the PCs.

One thing would be to strengthen relationships between the provinces too make them more mutual instead of parasitic. Instead of trying to find ways to end equalization, why don’t we work to make the Maritimes more financially independent instead of just cutting them off altogether?

I am an Ontarian as well, and it is sad too see that our province is degrading due to lack of funding. Toronto seems to be the epicenter of this degradation, so maybe an Ontario focused party would be beneficial to the Parliament. We had the Reform, we have the Bloc, why not an Ontario Party.

agreed. we do need to redefine the relationships between the provinces. The equalization payment system worked when the provinces were younger, but now it is time for the provinces to stand more independently, economically speaking.

Is the mighty TO that suffering? Maybe it is the rejection curse! If only you had got the olympics money would be flowing into TO. (and maybe that ugly raised highway would be getting removed - my only real dislike of the design and architecture of the TO core)

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