English Debate Tonight
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I hear it's something like between 8 & 10 (pei time) I would like to know if it's on the radio so I can sneak it at work here.
Ok, I found out. It's 8:00 to 10:00 ET...which means it is on in 15 min. As a bonus I found a computer with sound, now it's a matter of be talking my supervisor into looking the other way, since we're not allowed to play any audio at work now.
RE: English Debate Tonigh
The French debate was replayed again last night at 11:00p EDT on Newsworld so they'll probably do the same for the English one tonight ... in case that helps anyone for after work/school.
The French debate was replayed again last night at 11:00p EDT on Newsworld so they'll probably do the same for the English one tonight ... in case that helps anyone for after work/school.
Questions were soft -
Individuals got to ask questions of the panel of the four PM hopefulls in the debate.
One lady from Richmond BC had been chosen.
She said : "of the dozens of questions I would like to ask of them, this one is it: What about the politicians changing parties? "
K - Really??
THATS the one burning question she needed to know the answer to before the election?
Sounds to me like a soft question chosen by the CBC/Elites so we could avoid the urgent matters nobody wants to talk about.
I think there are matters being un-touched by all candidates, as dictated by their overlords. Distraction and media control keep them from getting on the table. Instead, they re-hash old dead issues and stick to soft issues of little consequence.
Here are a few more urgent matters than Belinda Stronach's defection [which is just a little gossip at worst] :
Global Warming {cutting emissions, alternates to fossil fuels, etc
Water Resource management/laws
Arresting Bush
Day Care
Big City infrastructure & highways
and this group of issues:
War on Drugs and marijuana laws
Mercury contamination and illnesses
Cleaning up toxic sites and toxins in the marketplace
Health Care - pharmaceutical dangers and damages
- saving $ by using 'non-patentable therapies'
And of course, what P Martin does at those Bilderberg meetings. We all want to know that!
Karlin
Individuals got to ask questions of the panel of the four PM hopefulls in the debate.
One lady from Richmond BC had been chosen.
She said : "of the dozens of questions I would like to ask of them, this one is it: What about the politicians changing parties? "
K - Really??
THATS the one burning question she needed to know the answer to before the election?
Sounds to me like a soft question chosen by the CBC/Elites so we could avoid the urgent matters nobody wants to talk about.
I think there are matters being un-touched by all candidates, as dictated by their overlords. Distraction and media control keep them from getting on the table. Instead, they re-hash old dead issues and stick to soft issues of little consequence.
Here are a few more urgent matters than Belinda Stronach's defection [which is just a little gossip at worst] :
Global Warming {cutting emissions, alternates to fossil fuels, etc
Water Resource management/laws
Arresting Bush
Day Care
Big City infrastructure & highways
and this group of issues:
War on Drugs and marijuana laws
Mercury contamination and illnesses
Cleaning up toxic sites and toxins in the marketplace
Health Care - pharmaceutical dangers and damages
- saving $ by using 'non-patentable therapies'
And of course, what P Martin does at those Bilderberg meetings. We all want to know that!
Karlin
I was watching the debates, and I've left them. I'm in shock. I've just discovered that I am probably related to Jack Layton.
THE HORROR!
Jack claimed his family goes back to the Steeves, who settled at Hillsborough, NB in 1765.
My family arrived at Hillsborough in 1782. The story is we had a land dispute with the Steeves, which was eventually settled by intermarriage.
My many times great grandfather, whose name I share, served with the Brits down south against the American revolutionaries. He was a Loyalist, and landed with his family at Halifax. Leaving wife and most of the kids at Halifax, he and his eldest son walked to Hillsborough (outside Moncton), set up a homestead and built a shelter. Then they walked back to Halifax, collected the wife and kids, and walked back to Hillsborough, only to find Steeves living in their shelter. (Socialists even then :lol: :wink: )
We loose the story there, suffice to say my family and the Steeves have been related ever since.
THE HORROR!
Jack claimed his family goes back to the Steeves, who settled at Hillsborough, NB in 1765.
My family arrived at Hillsborough in 1782. The story is we had a land dispute with the Steeves, which was eventually settled by intermarriage.
My many times great grandfather, whose name I share, served with the Brits down south against the American revolutionaries. He was a Loyalist, and landed with his family at Halifax. Leaving wife and most of the kids at Halifax, he and his eldest son walked to Hillsborough (outside Moncton), set up a homestead and built a shelter. Then they walked back to Halifax, collected the wife and kids, and walked back to Hillsborough, only to find Steeves living in their shelter. (Socialists even then :lol: :wink: )
We loose the story there, suffice to say my family and the Steeves have been related ever since.
Layton is really disappointing me .....
All he is saying time and time again ....
"I'm an honest Liberal"
Calm
All he is saying time and time again ....
"I'm an honest Liberal"
Calm
I dunno, they're all sounding as I expected them to be: Programmed responses.
I'm hoping since this is only the beginning of the debates that they'll get more interesting as eel'ekshin day nears.
I'm hoping since this is only the beginning of the debates that they'll get more interesting as eel'ekshin day nears.
The most shocking thing is the Bloc. What are they doing in a Federal Election?
Every anwer is related to "looking after Quebec's interests". So that must mean that every other party must work against Quebec's interests to compensate for their influences.
Every anwer is related to "looking after Quebec's interests". So that must mean that every other party must work against Quebec's interests to compensate for their influences.
Re: RE: English Debate Tonight
I was wondering that too the last time I watched the debates in 2000, he was there too.
They aren't allowing much time for them to speak sometimes...Since I only have radio as soon as the host tells a speaker time's up, the Audio instantly transferres to the new speaker, and you can hear mumbleing in the backgound as the last speaker tries to finish what he started.
I need to know though, since anyone watching on TV can see the speaker that was cut off, how irked do they appear? Everytime I hear one get cut off in the middle of a statment I get a visual of:
Layton: Bald pate turning red
Harper: nostrils flaring
Martin: Eyes bulge
Duceppe: You know, I got nothing on him
Is it true? or do is my imagination overreacting?
iamcanadian said:
I was wondering that too the last time I watched the debates in 2000, he was there too.
They aren't allowing much time for them to speak sometimes...Since I only have radio as soon as the host tells a speaker time's up, the Audio instantly transferres to the new speaker, and you can hear mumbleing in the backgound as the last speaker tries to finish what he started.
I need to know though, since anyone watching on TV can see the speaker that was cut off, how irked do they appear? Everytime I hear one get cut off in the middle of a statment I get a visual of:
Layton: Bald pate turning red
Harper: nostrils flaring
Martin: Eyes bulge
Duceppe: You know, I got nothing on him
Is it true? or do is my imagination overreacting?
The biggest problem by far has to be the runnaway corruption and lack of ethics in our government bureaucracies.
With everyone busy gorging themselves with our taxes, nothing can ever be done right on any other important issue.
With everyone busy gorging themselves with our taxes, nothing can ever be done right on any other important issue.
what a boring presentation.
is the best line of the night going to be deuceppe's "the west wants in, quebec wants out"?
if anybody knows, how does harper get off blaming the liberals for the bloc and the revived separatist movement in quebec?
is the best line of the night going to be deuceppe's "the west wants in, quebec wants out"?
if anybody knows, how does harper get off blaming the liberals for the bloc and the revived separatist movement in quebec?
In a busy Parisian cafe, a tourist is sitting alone, enjoying a crème
caramel. Another tourist approaches:
Me sit here?
No problem...
Thank you, very nice...
Are you on vacation?
Me, I arrive yesterday...
What country are you from?
Norway. You?
From Quebec.
Quebec? Me not know Quebec...
Quebec... near the Atlantic, next to Ontario, the Great Lakes...
No, me not know these places.
Never mind then, I'm from Canada...
Ah! Canada! Canada I know! So why you tell me you come from Quebec?
Because, my first country is Quebec!
Oh, you were born in Quebec and immigrated to Canada....
No, no, I was born in Quebec and I stay in Quebec...
Oh, then your father is from Canada?
No, no, my father, my mother, my wife, my dog, everybody, they come from
Quebec....
So why you say Canada?
For Christ sake, because you say you don't know where is Quebec!
OK, but if you say you not know Norway, me I not say that my country is
Japan...
Shit! Canada isn't Japan. Canada, it's my country.
Oh, your country not Quebec anymore?...
My country is Quebec. But my country, it can be Canada too, if the person
I speak to not know where is Quebec, Tabarnak!
Me not understand...
Look, it's simple: I come from the Province of Quebec, in the country of
Canada.
Ok! But me not ask you what province you're from, I ask you what country.
Me, I come from Lofoten region in Norway, but I answer you Norway when you
ask me what country I come from...
I know, I'm not stupid, Calisse! But me, when they ask me what country I
come from, I answer Quebec. Even if it's the name of my province. For me,
it's my country.
Oh, now I understand. You are a separatist, you want your Quebec province
to be your country...
Are you crazy, Hostie? I don't want to know nothing from that shit!
Me, I not understand anything anymore.
I tell you before, it's simple! You ask me what country I come from, I
answer Quebec because Quebec is my country, but I don't really want it
to be my country, it would be too much trouble. I just want to say it.
So, why don't you just let me say it?
Me all mix up. You have passport from what country: Quebec or Canada?
CANADA, Hostie!
So why you not tell me Canada right away?
Because it don't feel right. For me, Canada is Anne Murray, the Calgary
Stampede, the Mounted Police, SARS, it's not my home all that. Home,
it's La Famille Plouffe, Seraphin Poudrier, La P'tite Vie, Felix Leclerc,
La Poune, Les Canadiens de Montreal, Les Bougons... Do you understand???
Less and less...
Listen, forget all that shit. Ask me another question.
Ok, what town you come from?
Mmm..., I don't know anymore...
You not know what town you come from?
Yes, yes, I know what town I come from, but my town it merge with another
town, but soon it is going to demerge from the town that was
supposed to be my town...
Oh, that very complicated! When you write your address, what do you write?
I don't know anymore. Before, I used to write Hull, but Hull changed to
Gatineau, but they tell us to wait 3 years before stopping to write Hull
to not mix up the mailman. But now, the Liberals they pass a law that make it
ok for Gatineau to be Hull again, but I don't know if we have to wait 3
years to be able to write Hull, or when the 3 years are passed, if we have
to write Gatineau for 3 years, and after we write Hull. Unless, of course,
the PQ come back in power and we remerge with Gatineau, then we'll have to
write Gatineau for 3 years.
I leave now; I have hurt in my head...
It's so simple Tabarnak: My town is Hull, my country is Quebec. But if you
prefer, my town is Gatineau and my country is Canada.
OK, I think I understand!
It's about time. Anyway, it was fun talking to you, if you come around
where I live; maybe you come and see me...
OK, but where? Hull in Quebec or Gatineau in Canada?
You're a pain in the ass. Forget the whole thing
That, my friends, is the portrait of Quebec!
caramel. Another tourist approaches:
Me sit here?
No problem...
Thank you, very nice...
Are you on vacation?
Me, I arrive yesterday...
What country are you from?
Norway. You?
From Quebec.
Quebec? Me not know Quebec...
Quebec... near the Atlantic, next to Ontario, the Great Lakes...
No, me not know these places.
Never mind then, I'm from Canada...
Ah! Canada! Canada I know! So why you tell me you come from Quebec?
Because, my first country is Quebec!
Oh, you were born in Quebec and immigrated to Canada....
No, no, I was born in Quebec and I stay in Quebec...
Oh, then your father is from Canada?
No, no, my father, my mother, my wife, my dog, everybody, they come from
Quebec....
So why you say Canada?
For Christ sake, because you say you don't know where is Quebec!
OK, but if you say you not know Norway, me I not say that my country is
Japan...
Shit! Canada isn't Japan. Canada, it's my country.
Oh, your country not Quebec anymore?...
My country is Quebec. But my country, it can be Canada too, if the person
I speak to not know where is Quebec, Tabarnak!
Me not understand...
Look, it's simple: I come from the Province of Quebec, in the country of
Canada.
Ok! But me not ask you what province you're from, I ask you what country.
Me, I come from Lofoten region in Norway, but I answer you Norway when you
ask me what country I come from...
I know, I'm not stupid, Calisse! But me, when they ask me what country I
come from, I answer Quebec. Even if it's the name of my province. For me,
it's my country.
Oh, now I understand. You are a separatist, you want your Quebec province
to be your country...
Are you crazy, Hostie? I don't want to know nothing from that shit!
Me, I not understand anything anymore.
I tell you before, it's simple! You ask me what country I come from, I
answer Quebec because Quebec is my country, but I don't really want it
to be my country, it would be too much trouble. I just want to say it.
So, why don't you just let me say it?
Me all mix up. You have passport from what country: Quebec or Canada?
CANADA, Hostie!
So why you not tell me Canada right away?
Because it don't feel right. For me, Canada is Anne Murray, the Calgary
Stampede, the Mounted Police, SARS, it's not my home all that. Home,
it's La Famille Plouffe, Seraphin Poudrier, La P'tite Vie, Felix Leclerc,
La Poune, Les Canadiens de Montreal, Les Bougons... Do you understand???
Less and less...
Listen, forget all that shit. Ask me another question.
Ok, what town you come from?
Mmm..., I don't know anymore...
You not know what town you come from?
Yes, yes, I know what town I come from, but my town it merge with another
town, but soon it is going to demerge from the town that was
supposed to be my town...
Oh, that very complicated! When you write your address, what do you write?
I don't know anymore. Before, I used to write Hull, but Hull changed to
Gatineau, but they tell us to wait 3 years before stopping to write Hull
to not mix up the mailman. But now, the Liberals they pass a law that make it
ok for Gatineau to be Hull again, but I don't know if we have to wait 3
years to be able to write Hull, or when the 3 years are passed, if we have
to write Gatineau for 3 years, and after we write Hull. Unless, of course,
the PQ come back in power and we remerge with Gatineau, then we'll have to
write Gatineau for 3 years.
I leave now; I have hurt in my head...
It's so simple Tabarnak: My town is Hull, my country is Quebec. But if you
prefer, my town is Gatineau and my country is Canada.
OK, I think I understand!
It's about time. Anyway, it was fun talking to you, if you come around
where I live; maybe you come and see me...
OK, but where? Hull in Quebec or Gatineau in Canada?
You're a pain in the ass. Forget the whole thing
That, my friends, is the portrait of Quebec!
Re: RE: English Debate Tonight
Ah, because it is the Liberals fault.
Separatism was on a low ebb, until the Liberals decided to bribe them with their own money, except take about 90% of off the top for them, and their good buddies.
This has been an obsession in Quebec for the last two years. Say good bye to the Liberal presence in Quebec, hello to the BQ.
Neither the CPC nor the NDP are seen as an option in Quebec, I suspect because neither of their leaders are Quebecois.
the caracal kid said:
Ah, because it is the Liberals fault.
Separatism was on a low ebb, until the Liberals decided to bribe them with their own money, except take about 90% of off the top for them, and their good buddies.
This has been an obsession in Quebec for the last two years. Say good bye to the Liberal presence in Quebec, hello to the BQ.
Neither the CPC nor the NDP are seen as an option in Quebec, I suspect because neither of their leaders are Quebecois.
are you forgetting that it was the work of the PC party that gave birth to the bloc and the renewed drive for independence?
the liberals inherited the mulroney legacy.
the liberals inherited the mulroney legacy.
RE: English Debate Tonigh
I am re watching it again. Thought it was ok but nothing special. More rhetoric and politicking. Hopefully the next one has some fireworks.
I am re watching it again. Thought it was ok but nothing special. More rhetoric and politicking. Hopefully the next one has some fireworks.
All I saw happen in the debates tonight is exactly what we are seeing in Iraq.
.... When we are fighting amongst ourselves, we are too busy to fight those in power ....
The government instigates this "battle" between Quebec and the rest of Canada and keeps stoking the fires.
If it were not for the Quebec question, discussions may of centered around what our needs are as Canadians. The Ruling Class can't allow that to happen. Nothing of any consequence can be discussed during a crisis and thus the Canadian Establishment must ensure there is a constant crisis.
Remember when Charest (A Progressive Conservative) left Federal politics because he was said to be the guy who would solve the Quebec problem? After he got to be Quebec premier, the Federal government walked away and hung him out to dry. When he left Federal politics, he was said to be a saint and a lifesaver. The dream candidate. "Problem Solver".
All Charest seemed to accomplish is the same trip as Harris did in Ontario. Cut-Cut-Cut. Even today, Charest is cutting civil service pays and cutting student loans. Why hasn't the Federal government come to his aid and make Charest look like the best thing since sliced bread in order to encourage Federalism? Why didn't the liberals just give Charest the hundreds of millions from AdScam so that he could show a positive face to Federalism and perhaps lessen the cutbacks he was forced to make as premier?
No .... They bled Charest dry! Left him no alternatives. Had him act like a bogeyman.
As long as this fabricated crisis continues to infiltrate our election politics, nothing will change. We will elect leaders who claim to have the ability to solve the Quebec issue and not to solve the issues of everyday Canadians.
Every damn election is an election where we are asked to vote for somebody to save us from ourselves!
Calm
.... When we are fighting amongst ourselves, we are too busy to fight those in power ....
The government instigates this "battle" between Quebec and the rest of Canada and keeps stoking the fires.
If it were not for the Quebec question, discussions may of centered around what our needs are as Canadians. The Ruling Class can't allow that to happen. Nothing of any consequence can be discussed during a crisis and thus the Canadian Establishment must ensure there is a constant crisis.
Remember when Charest (A Progressive Conservative) left Federal politics because he was said to be the guy who would solve the Quebec problem? After he got to be Quebec premier, the Federal government walked away and hung him out to dry. When he left Federal politics, he was said to be a saint and a lifesaver. The dream candidate. "Problem Solver".
All Charest seemed to accomplish is the same trip as Harris did in Ontario. Cut-Cut-Cut. Even today, Charest is cutting civil service pays and cutting student loans. Why hasn't the Federal government come to his aid and make Charest look like the best thing since sliced bread in order to encourage Federalism? Why didn't the liberals just give Charest the hundreds of millions from AdScam so that he could show a positive face to Federalism and perhaps lessen the cutbacks he was forced to make as premier?
No .... They bled Charest dry! Left him no alternatives. Had him act like a bogeyman.
As long as this fabricated crisis continues to infiltrate our election politics, nothing will change. We will elect leaders who claim to have the ability to solve the Quebec issue and not to solve the issues of everyday Canadians.
Every damn election is an election where we are asked to vote for somebody to save us from ourselves!
Calm
RE: English Debate Tonigh
I don't think there was a winner. I'm not sure there can be in a format where the leaders are discouraged from directly rebutting each other.
There were a couple of times when candidates got hurt a bit...Harper on SSM, Martin on Sponsorship.
There was a gaping hole when Duceppe should have been hurt that nobody touched. He said that SSM was settled by a vote and should not be revisited. That's true, but somebody should have gone after him about Quebec referendums not needing to revisited either, for the same reason.
All of the other leaders made smaller statements that could have been gone after in a similar way, but weren't.
The part of the debate that is likely to get the most airplay was Martin going after Duceppe about Quebec. That, "My children were born and raised in Quebec..." thing is a natural sounbite. I wonder who wrote it? ;-)
Maybe we should go to a one-hour round robin format so each leader debates each other leader one on one for an hour. All of the debates against Duceppe can be in French with the others in English.
I don't think there was a winner. I'm not sure there can be in a format where the leaders are discouraged from directly rebutting each other.
There were a couple of times when candidates got hurt a bit...Harper on SSM, Martin on Sponsorship.
There was a gaping hole when Duceppe should have been hurt that nobody touched. He said that SSM was settled by a vote and should not be revisited. That's true, but somebody should have gone after him about Quebec referendums not needing to revisited either, for the same reason.
All of the other leaders made smaller statements that could have been gone after in a similar way, but weren't.
The part of the debate that is likely to get the most airplay was Martin going after Duceppe about Quebec. That, "My children were born and raised in Quebec..." thing is a natural sounbite. I wonder who wrote it? ;-)
Maybe we should go to a one-hour round robin format so each leader debates each other leader one on one for an hour. All of the debates against Duceppe can be in French with the others in English.