$350.00 for your Liberal vote.

Durgan

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Vote Liberal and you get $350.00 from the Federal Tax pool. Taking from one pocket and putting it in another.

Durgan.

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Goodale delivers slew of economic goodies
Nov. 15, 2005. 04:19 AM
LES WHITTINGTON
OTTAWA BUREAU

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This would mean a tax refund of up to $350 this year for the average Canadian. Unquote
 

Jay

Executive Branch Member
Jan 7, 2005
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No one knows for sure you didn't vote for them anyways...screw em', might as well, they screw you.
 

Karlin

Council Member
Jun 27, 2004
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Re: $ - poorest get zilch -

From all these incentives and budgetary benefits, there is one group of Canadians who will get nothing at all, zero.

The POOREST!!!

people with incomes below $10,000/yr.pay no income tax so the rebates or lowered taxation rates won't bring them a dime.

Heating rebates? - same thing -
They generally don't pay the heating bills because they are renters - they never have the deposit money for hookup so they get the landlords to pay the bills and add it to the rent, or some arrangement like that.

Others? somewhere in these payoffs,is there a benefit to the poorest that I have missed? Anyone?

could they at least try? - A program for food, or other essentials, maybe rent rebates for the poorest- how about that??
 

Reverend Blair

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Apr 3, 2004
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RE: $350.00 for your Libe

How come when the Liberals introduce a tax cut, Conservatives refer to it as vote buying? What does that make the Conservative promises to cut taxes even more? From where I sit, it looks like more expensive vote buying.

Excellent point, Karlin. This country needs a guaranteed annual income that meets reality. We lso ned some real education and training programs so that the poorest can get back into the workforce.
 

MMMike

Council Member
Mar 21, 2005
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It's all about the timing Rev - you'll never find me complain about a tax cut! Stunts like this just illustrate how much reform is necessary. A sitting party should not be allowed to manipulate the levers of government for partisan reasons, to improve their election odds. We need fixed dates for elections, budgets, and fiscal updates.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: $350.00 for your Libe

The fiscal update was within a day or two of last year's. It almost always comes around the middle of November. Fixed election dates won't stop the practice of rolling out programs just before an election. Proportional representation will accomplish that to a large extent, but Harper won't support it.

It's not about timing. Harper's promises to slash taxes are just as much vote buying as Martin's promises to do the same. That's called politics.
 

MMMike

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Mar 21, 2005
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This was not a fiscal update, it was a 'mini budget'... it was a shadow of a electoral platform. The conservatives believe in low taxes and small government as a rule. Tax cuts coming from their direction are more reflective of their beliefs than cynical attempts to woo Canadian voters. You should know we are above those sort of games. :p
 

Reverend Blair

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This was not a fiscal update, it was a 'mini budget'... it was a shadow of a electoral platform.

Yes it was and the Conservatives would have done exactly the same thing if the roles had been reversed.

The conservatives believe in low taxes and small government as a rule.

The Conservatives believe in saying whatever they think will get them elected. Most economists doubted their last fiscal plan was sustainable without resorting to deficit spending.

We've all heard the Conservative mating call, "I've got mine, f*ck you," is the way that one goes. Talk about your culture of entitlement...the CPC exhibits it in spades.

Tax cuts coming from their direction are more reflective of their beliefs than cynical attempts to woo Canadian voters.

Tax cuts coming from the Conservatives are directed at giving their wealthy pals and corporate cronies a bonus. The Conservatives don't care about the Canadian people and will slash programs that help average Canadians in order to give their rich pals the kickbacks. We've seen how well that's worked in the US.
 

MMMike

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Mar 21, 2005
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The Conservatives believe in saying whatever they think will get them elected. Most economists doubted their last fiscal plan was sustainable without resorting to deficit spending.

We've all heard the Conservative mating call, "I've got mine, f*ck you," is the way that one goes. Talk about your culture of entitlement...the CPC exhibits it in spades.

Hindsight is 20/20 - their projections were bang on! The money was there to fulfill their plans. You seem to think that success is some kind of vice. Its not - without the 'haves', there would be nothing left to dole out for your thousand and one social programs.

Tax cuts coming from the Conservatives are directed at giving their wealthy pals and corporate cronies a bonus. The Conservatives don't care about the Canadian people and will slash programs that help average Canadians in order to give their rich pals the kickbacks. We've seen how well that's worked in the US.

Tax cuts aimed at improving our efficiency and competitiveness do benefit everyone. Money doesn't grow on trees. Your so focused on wealth redistribution that you forget you need to create the wealth to begin with.
 

nitzomoe

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Dec 31, 2004
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Re: $ - poorest get zilch -

Karlin said:
From all these incentives and budgetary benefits, there is one group of Canadians who will get nothing at all, zero.

The POOREST!!!

people with incomes below $10,000/yr.pay no income tax so the rebates or lowered taxation rates won't bring them a dime.

Hey when i was 16 i earned 9450 and paid $600 in tax for it, isnt the buffer at $8000?
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
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Money doesn't grow on trees.

It's made out of paper, MMMikey...it is trees.

Hindsight is 20/20 - their projections were bang on! The money was there to fulfill their plans.

That's over one year. The Conservatives' long-term spending plans combined with tax cuts look an awful lot like the Bush plan...including the illegal and very expensive wars.

You seem to think that success is some kind of vice. Its not - without the 'haves', there would be nothing left to dole out for your thousand and one social programs.

The tax burden in this country used to be split about 50/50 between corporations and Canadian people. Now the corporate share is about 25% and we have to pick up the rest. We have a lower corporate tax rate than the US, plus it's cheaper to do business here because they don't have to pick up the healthcare expenses.

Of that 75% that has now been shifted on Canadian people, working and middle class people now pay more than the wealthy. That's in spite of working class wages being stagnant since the 1980s, and benefits being down.

Most of these shifts in the tax base happened under Mulroney, but the Liberals have continued them.

I pay for those social programs and I want them to continue.

Tax cuts aimed at improving our efficiency and competitiveness do benefit everyone.

Tax cuts to corporations go back to the mother company. Since we don't have any effective foreign ownership laws because of Conservative and Liberal pandering to corporations, those mother companies tend to be in the US.

Your so focused on wealth redistribution that you forget you need to create the wealth to begin with.

Paying the people who produce the products and do the actual work isn't wealth redistribution, it's rewarding those who actually create the wealth.

Who puts more back into the economy, MMMikey...the guy making $25,000 a year who gets a raise to $30,000 and buys a made in Canada compact car on a payment plan, or the CEO who gets a $500,000 bonus and pays cash for a BMW and salts the rest away in an offshore account?
 

CanadianPrincess

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Re: RE: $350.00 for your Libe

Reverend Blair said:
Excellent point, Karlin. This country needs a guaranteed annual income that meets reality.

The NDP, Liberal, and Green parties have tried debating this before and have gotten no where. It would take away the need for Social Assistance, Employment Insurance, and food banks. I have yet to see the problem with this or why the debate never turned into an actual law.

Since WW2, our government has been helping the elderly that don't have any other income. This seemed to help and to make sense.

Perhaps the idea of guarunteed annual income seems costly...

Wouldn't a GAI save money? There are too many people that abuse our current system of helping the unfortunate. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't really help, as they don't give these people enough money to live, and therefore are stuck on the system, and getting paid with taxpayers money, for what seems like forever.

It seems that this topic should be debated once again.
 

Karlin

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Re: RE: $350.00 for your Liberal vote.

sj007 said:
the person tht is living with less then 10,000 a year isnt making minamum wage

True - we are talking about certain groups that "don't meet minimum wage income levels" .
{ Is that a solution you are suggesting there? ]
- people with disabilites[PWD]*, for one.

- people who have abused the system and now get nothing [screwups, but often [allways?] with mental health problems or serious physical diseases]
- working poor who are not able to work a full week 40hrs.
- others? {anyone know , add it on]



* PWD They have met the harsh criteria for disability, eg in BC they "cannot do the chores of daily living", meaning they have difficulty just washing cooking and cleaning due to pain, fatigue, basic disease stuff.
They get less than $900/mo., and if they get more money from work [how could they possibly work?], or family and friends, or winning a lottery, they HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK [most of it, they have a formula where these disabled people can keep their wages and still get their >$900/mo].
note - no other person in Canada is "not allowed to have more money" like this situation, like losing your sole source of steady income if you win the lotto!! [and these are the poorest and neediest - fruit is expensive, they need those whole foods due to their illness., plus medicines and supplements}
 

Jo Canadian

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PEI...for now