#1Oct 5th, 2005
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stop racism in canada
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#2
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005
It'd be a boon to comprehension if you'd write a coherent sentence or two.
#3
RE: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005
sorry but former of PM of canada was have same problem he wasn't speck english as will, look in point and why so much racism here to we are fix the problem. then I promise I am going to fix my grammer too. I need time and more education
#4
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005Quote:
It'd be a boon to comprehension if you'd write a coherent sentence or two
#6
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005Quote:
We all knew what he was saying though, more or less. Unless he didn't want us to know what he was saying, which happened pretty often.sorry but former of PM of canada was have same problem he wasn't speck english as will,
You'd do better at fighting racism if you got your facts and figures straight. The numbers we use were invented in the part of the world you came from, so why not start with them?
#7
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005
stopracismcanada,
Your post has demonstrated one of the reasons why certain highly trained new Canadians have trouble obtaining immediate employment at the level to which they are educated.
Along with the training that their discipline demands, is the necessity of being able to communicate.
Then, too, some licensed professions (Doctor’s especially) must undergo an evaluation period to see that their training is of the same calibre as others licensed in this country.
Once the language barrier is bridged, and they have proven the quality of their training, there are few barriers erected that do not also impede native-born Canadians.
Finally, if your post is an honest example of your communications skills, and you continue to claim that racism is the reason you are being held back, you will gain few converts to your point of view.
Your post has demonstrated one of the reasons why certain highly trained new Canadians have trouble obtaining immediate employment at the level to which they are educated.
Along with the training that their discipline demands, is the necessity of being able to communicate.
Then, too, some licensed professions (Doctor’s especially) must undergo an evaluation period to see that their training is of the same calibre as others licensed in this country.
Once the language barrier is bridged, and they have proven the quality of their training, there are few barriers erected that do not also impede native-born Canadians.
Finally, if your post is an honest example of your communications skills, and you continue to claim that racism is the reason you are being held back, you will gain few converts to your point of view.
Conservative
#8
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005
I understand just what the poster is saying & now I'm worried that my language skills are under par 
Free Thinker
#9
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by GL Schmitt
Actually it's not that simple for Doctors, at least not in Ontario. I suspect it's similar in most of Canada. Foreign trained doctors need to write an equivalency exam AS WELL as do a residency. The residency is the kicker, getting a spot is about as easy as getting season's tickets to the Leafs. No matter how qualified, talented, and eloquent, very few foreign trained doctors ever actually get a chance to practice here. This issue hit the limelight recently because of the drastic shortage of general practitioners in the province.Once the language barrier is bridged, and they have proven the quality of their training, there are few barriers erected that do not also impede native-born Canadians.
As a point of interest, the same rules apply to Canadians trained abroad. Lots of Canadian medical students who thought it might be a good experience to study medicine in London or Paris have a nasty surprise when they get home.
#10
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts
They have exceptions for US trained professionals and vise versa.Quote: Originally Posted by GL SchmittActually it's not that simple for Doctors, at least not in Ontario. I suspect it's similar in most of Canada. Foreign trained doctors need to write an equivalency exam AS WELL as do a residency. The residency is the kicker, getting a spot is about as easy as getting season's tickets to the Leafs. No matter how qualified, talented, and eloquent, very few foreign trained doctors ever actually get a chance to practice here. This issue hit the limelight recently because of the drastic shortage of general practitioners in the province.Once the language barrier is bridged, and they have proven the quality of their training, there are few barriers erected that do not also impede native-born Canadians.
As a point of interest, the same rules apply to Canadians trained abroad. Lots of Canadian medical students who thought it might be a good experience to study medicine in London or Paris have a nasty surprise when they get home.
#11
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005
I thought one of the criteria for immigrating to Canada would be competancy in English? I guess they must have changed the rules...
#12
RE: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005
There are various factors that can have an effect on that sort of criteria, James. The fact that we have two official languages up here, for instance.
#13
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Oct 5th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
Ooops ... I meant competency in English or French ...There are various factors that can have an effect on that sort of criteria, James. The fact that we have two official languages up here, for instance.
#14
RE: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005
What if they can speak fluently but not write, or vice versa? What if they are in an occupation that requires little or no communication? What if they arrived as a refugee?
#15
Re: stop racism in canada
Oct 5th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts
As I understand it, FMG's have to write an equivalency and work at the same level as a medical student, before qualifying for a residency. At least, that was the situation for FMG's the last time I was condemned to a sojourn in the neighbourhood house of resuscitation.. . . Foreign trained doctors need to write an equivalency exam AS WELL as do a residency . . . the same rules apply to Canadians trained abroad. . . Canadian medical students who . . . study medicine in London or Paris have a nasty surprise when they get home.
It is understandable that a once-important doctor becomes somewhat upset when asked to step back into the plebeian ranks of the medical student. On the other hand, Canadian Hospitals feel it is important to assure themselves that their latest medical recruit did not receive his degree, specializing in poultices and purges.
As for the Canadians who trained in England or France, I have no actual idea what their problem is. I might, however, speculate that as hospitals survive on the few years that would-be doctors must try to exist as the nearest modern equivalent to a Reconstruction Era, Georgian sharecropper, that might be an instance of malicious payback.
#16
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Oct 5th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
Well, I agree that refugees or immediate relatives of Canadian Citizens should be exempt from the requirement. However, as for the other immigrants, whether they are in the independant category or skilled worker category, or other category, they should all demonstrate a competency in one of Canada's official languages.What if they can speak fluently but not write, or vice versa? What if they are in an occupation that requires little or no communication? What if they arrived as a refugee?
Besides, they will eventually need to pass a language test to become a citizen. Already knowing the language would be one less hurdle for them.
#17
RE: stop racism in canada
Oct 6th, 2005
Why? My great-grandparents came her and they knew hardly any English. My father never learned English until he went to school. Why should one of the official languages be such a big deal now?
#18
RE: stop racism in canada
Oct 6th, 2005
I think a lot of the problem is english is a really mixed up language and one of the hardest languages to learn, as a lot of words are not spelt the way they are pronounced.
It does not bother me personally if they do not know english or french as you can usually find someone who speaks english or french if you need assistance.
I would like to see 2 or 3 more languages added to official list personally.
It does not bother me personally if they do not know english or french as you can usually find someone who speaks english or french if you need assistance.
I would like to see 2 or 3 more languages added to official list personally.
#19
RE: stop racism in canada
Oct 6th, 2005
I think that we should stick with just the two and then provinces and municipalities decide the rest. If you start trying to pick only a few more, you'll start a war over which ones.
#20
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Oct 6th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
Well, there is more demand for immigration now versus back then, Rev. In addition, back in those days, English was the only official language so you didn't have two official languages to further complicate matters. You also didn't have a language test before becoming a citizen.Why? My great-grandparents came her and they knew hardly any English. My father never learned English until he went to school. Why should one of the official languages be such a big deal now?
#21
Re: stop racism in canada
May 29th, 2006
I am an immigrant here in Canada, and I strongly agree with those who argue that new comers need to speak the official languages (depending on where they live). Here is why: There is absolutely nothing that prohibits these fellows from going to any language institution and learn the darn English. I am sick and tired of going to shops or anywhere for that matter and try to get service from somebody who can't put a sentence together. You wanna speak your mother tongue, do it at home. When you're talking to the rest of Canadians, you better know how to put your 'subject and verb' in the correct order!
Another thing about these whiners, if you can’t land a job then get busy with an English course instead of hiding in your community collecting monies the government took from my paycheck. I love it how these losers blame the government for their lack of skills, but I never hear them complain about the welfare check!!!! I’ve got an answer for those people: If it sucks so much, pack and take the same plane that brought you in.
Another thing about these whiners, if you can’t land a job then get busy with an English course instead of hiding in your community collecting monies the government took from my paycheck. I love it how these losers blame the government for their lack of skills, but I never hear them complain about the welfare check!!!! I’ve got an answer for those people: If it sucks so much, pack and take the same plane that brought you in.
#22
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May 31st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James
Or French. Although I beleive refugees can be granted exceptions for humanitarian reasons.I thought one of the criteria for immigrating to Canada would be competancy in English? I guess they must have changed the rules...
#23
RE: stop racism in canada
May 31st, 2006
While I'm not denying major problems with racism in Canada (I've seen it myself and have even been a victim of it on a number of occasions), I will say that if one chooses to move to another nation, he ought to be aware that no matter how skilled he was in his native country, the rules change in the host nation. The language isn't the same. How to make a CV and how to find work is different, work ethic and office culture, employer-employee relationships, and company client relationships are all different, with many new things to learn.
If I'm going to hire someone, I don't care for his skin colour, creed, or what have you. But I do expect him to know the local language and culture (or in the case of a particularly metropolican city) or one of the local languages at least.
If you move to Canada from China, I don't care that you have five PhD's. I want to know that you can speak the local language. If you can't then expect to be washing dishes (you're not even qualified as a waiter since you'll need to communicate with the clients.
If I'm going to hire someone, I don't care for his skin colour, creed, or what have you. But I do expect him to know the local language and culture (or in the case of a particularly metropolican city) or one of the local languages at least.
If you move to Canada from China, I don't care that you have five PhD's. I want to know that you can speak the local language. If you can't then expect to be washing dishes (you're not even qualified as a waiter since you'll need to communicate with the clients.
#24
RE: stop racism in canada
May 31st, 2006
People, can't we be nice!
The person tried to bring up a decent point of view and what i saw for the first few posts are people making fun of the persons english.
We are better mannered than that!!
If you are a good Canadian then prove it!
The person tried to bring up a decent point of view and what i saw for the first few posts are people making fun of the persons english.
We are better mannered than that!!
If you are a good Canadian then prove it!
#25
RE: stop racism in canada
Jun 1st, 2006
the person typed half year ago and left. It's no use to defend him or her or to attack him or her
#26
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Jul 4th, 2009
I think not only the colored people face the racism but whites also face it in one form or the other.Me being an English faced it once in my high school as i was pretty passionate about Rap Music.As blacks are mostly involved in it so some times i faced a racial attack.But it does not affected me as I am linked with my uncle's --so i know exactly how to avoid such things to happen.
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#27
Re: stop racism in canada
Jul 16th, 2009
its not racist. its a standard that we hold ourselves to. We don't have a universal standard of education so why would we not expect people who immigrate to this country to be sufficiently trained by our standards?
#28
Re: stop racism in canada
Jul 16th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by stopracismcanada
Yup, kerrect.sorry but former of PM of canada was have same problem he wasn't speck english as will, look in point and why so much racism here to we are fix the problem. then I promise I am going to fix my grammer too. I need time and more education
Former PM could speak English like a son of a bitch. He liked to play with fools.
Something else you have to learn.
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