Northboy said:
Did I miss something or didn't Harper get into bed with the Bloc over the non-confidence motion and the budget???
That is the whole point of the thread. In order to drive down public opinion of the Conservatives they wanted to show that the Conservatives were getting in bed with them to save the government. They even had Stronach come out and say she was afraid the Conservatives were getting too close to the Bloc. Then about a three weeks later the Liberals, with Stronach tag up with the Bloc to defeat a Conservative movement. The point of the thread is to show that the Conservatives are not getting in bed with the Bloc, but rather that the Bloc is its own party and does not act with the Conservatives.
Gonzo said:
They sure did. However, what they wanted to do was dangerous to Canada. The Conservatives dont have Canada's best interests in mind. Who realy cares about a tape recording of some deal? It's tampered anyway. These people need to shut up and do some work, instead of acting like children.
Of course Conservative's do not have what's best for Canadians, only the Liberals can have that (rollseyes). In all foresight none of them independently know what is best for Canadians. Economically the Conservatives know what is best for Canada, that is why the Liberals did support a Conservative budget.
The Liberals knew what to do when it was a majority situation. The problem is a hand full of liberals could not be trusted. They looked to gain a little extra money through some programs for themselves and their friends (as the story goes stuff far).
The NDP know dick all about financing and although they have the best in mind they do not know how to run a budget.
With the NDP hooking up with the Liberals they are running a bad budget. If the Liberals did not need the NDP they would have a good budget, but still bad ethics.
The Conservatives have never been in government so its hard to imagine how they would run things. All we can do is speculate on how they would run things, we can never know.
Northboy said:
So let me get this straight the Progressive Conservatives were really Liberals, but were only foolin' when they were in opposition all those long years. That would make Hon Joe Clark a puppet of the regime.............Right?????
The party started off as the Torries. This was the King's Conservative Party. It was the party that was first in power and then first elected, in order to maintain national stability.
With the rise of Liberalism the Torries felt they needed to bring in some Liberals to stay in power against the growing power of the Liberal party, most of these were in Quebec.
Other drives were made to integrate more people under a PC banner including a move to include many Libertarians and Neo-Liberals.
As a result of this we are only seeing the results of 50s-70s economic theory today. Those theories were not strong enough at that time.
So in the 90s when the Bloc Quebecois and Reform Party broke off from the Conservatives it left them fragile. The Liberal-Conservative Party they had formed with its ridiculously large budgets was a thing of the past.
Bloc tend to align more as socialists, which tend to be liberal