Liberals and NDP In Bed with the Bloc

[bluealberta]

The Liberals and the NDP got into bed with the Bloc to vote against a Conservative motion that would have expanded the paramaters of Justice John Gomery and would have permitted him to assign blame and name names in the sponsorship scandal. This is particularly ironic when one considers that the Liberals and the NDP both accused the Conservatives of supporting a party, the BQ, which was dedicated to the break up of Canada during the recent budget vote.

It now appears that the Bloc, with the concurrence of the NDP and Liberals, do not want to have names named and blame assigned from the one man who has heard every day of testimony, Justice John Gomery. The first questionis why not, and the second question is why they would support the Bloc in this vote?

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Liberals and NDP In B

As was shown in Question Period today, Gomery does have the right to name names. What he cannot do is press charges or launch criminal investigations. That is because the Supreme Court of Canada does not feel that enquiries should have that power because it affect the ability for the Crown to prosecute guilty parties.

Should the Crown or the RCMP decide to press charges because of information revealed at an enquiry, they are free to do so. Evidence from the enquiry is admissible in a court of law. Civil suits may also be pressed because of findings at an enquiry.

Do you understand why things went the way did now, BA? To make sure that Gomery can finish his work, name names, and then any criminal investigations or civil suits can be launched from the evidence at Gomery.

If you change things now, you put the whole process in jeopardy and you'll be screaming about activist judges.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

It seems that some people don't really understand that what happens in the House happens for a reason...

It seems that some people don't understand that amending section K to include provisions for naming names and assigning responsibilities would be redundant to what is already spelled out in the Inquiries Act.

It seems that some people in the House don't understand that in changing the terms of reference near the end of an inquiry may render the testimony heard so far, inadmissible, or at the least, offer the guilty parties a technicality to exploit...

If I had any faith at all in the intelligence of the Harperites, I would say that they're trying to surreptitiously shut Gomery down...but I don't have that faith, so I will sleep well tonight in that knowledge...

 

[Numure]

The Liberals and the NDP got into bed with the Bloc to vote against a Conservative motion that would have expanded the paramaters of Justice John Gomery and would have permitted him to assign blame and name names in the sponsorship scandal. This is particularly ironic when one considers that the Liberals and the NDP both accused the Conservatives of supporting a party, the BQ, which was dedicated to the break up of Canada during the recent budget vote.

It now appears that the Bloc, with the concurrence of the NDP and Liberals, do not want to have names named and blame assigned from the one man who has heard every day of testimony, Justice John Gomery. The first questionis why not, and the second question is why they would support the Bloc in this vote?

The bloc will vote where ever, it is to their advantage.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Liberals and NDP In B

I don't think they even have enough foresight to try to shut Gomery down. If they did have foresight they'd give it a shot though...Gomery's findings are not going to be as explosive as they hoped, in fact they will likely be quite mild compared to the wild and basless accusations the Conservatives have been making. Gomery is also very likely to make recommendations as to how to keep this kind of thing from happening again, which is goin to make money tight for Conservatives and Liberals.

All the Conservatives are doing is cheap political grandstanding though...trying to score a point or two where ever they think they can.

Yesterday during Question Period they were going after Martin because Chretien pulled his bid to have Gomery removed. They said Martin had swung a deal with Chretien. All they had for evidence was a poorly-worded statement that Chretien's lawyer had made to they press, but they were going nuts over it instead of doing any real work.

The goal, quite a transparent one, is to tie deal-making with corruption in people's minds. Not only is every deal not corrupt, but it's a really short-sighted thing to do because the Conservatives have to swing deals too.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals and NDP In B

I don't think they even have enough foresight to try to shut Gomery down. If they did have foresight they'd give it a shot though...Gomery's findings are not going to be as explosive as they hoped, in fact they will likely be quite mild compared to the wild and basless accusations the Conservatives have been making. Gomery is also very likely to make recommendations as to how to keep this kind of thing from happening again, which is goin to make money tight for Conservatives and Liberals.

All the Conservatives are doing is cheap political grandstanding though...trying to score a point or two where ever they think they can.

Yesterday during Question Period they were going after Martin because Chretien pulled his bid to have Gomery removed. They said Martin had swung a deal with Chretien. All they had for evidence was a poorly-worded statement that Chretien's lawyer had made to they press, but they were going nuts over it instead of doing any real work.

The goal, quite a transparent one, is to tie deal-making with corruption in people's minds. Not only is every deal not corrupt, but it's a really short-sighted thing to do because the Conservatives have to swing deals too.

Edited: Personal Attack

 

[RedFred]

Blue Alberta you should not be surprised by the Liberals and the Bloc getting into bed together. Where do you think all those Quebec liberals went? This is the same Ontario/Quebec Axis of Evil that has been keeping the hinterland under their thumbs for over a century. They will do and say anything to keep it that way. There is no difference between the Liberals, the Bloc and the tag along, me too, NDP. Guess what, Gilles Duceppe, Ujal Dosanj and Trudeau were all communists before. All are of the same stripe. The Liberals will do anything to keep the current corrupt system intact. The only solution is to kick Ontario and Quebec out of confederation. Enough of those provinces keeping the other eight in servitude. Then they can continue their social engineering experiments without dragging the rest of New Canada down.

 

[Northboy]

The Liberals and the NDP got into bed with the Bloc to vote against a Conservative motion that would have expanded the paramaters of Justice John Gomery and would have permitted him to assign blame and name names in the sponsorship scandal. This is particularly ironic when one considers that the Liberals and the NDP both accused the Conservatives of supporting a party, the BQ, which was dedicated to the break up of Canada during the recent budget vote.

It now appears that the Bloc, with the concurrence of the NDP and Liberals, do not want to have names named and blame assigned from the one man who has heard every day of testimony, Justice John Gomery. The first questionis why not, and the second question is why they would support the Bloc in this vote?

Did I miss something or didn't Harper get into bed with the Bloc over the non-confidence motion and the budget???

 

[Northboy]

Blue Alberta you should not be surprised by the Liberals and the Bloc getting into bed together. Where do you think all those Quebec liberals went? This is the same Ontario/Quebec Axis of Evil that has been keeping the hinterland under their thumbs for over a century. They will do and say anything to keep it that way. There is no difference between the Liberals, the Bloc and the tag along, me too, NDP. Guess what, Gilles Duceppe, Ujal Dosanj and Trudeau were all communists before. All are of the same stripe. The Liberals will do anything to keep the current corrupt system intact. The only solution is to kick Ontario and Quebec out of confederation. Enough of those provinces keeping the other eight in servitude. Then they can continue their social engineering experiments without dragging the rest of New Canada down.

Historically, the Bloc was formed by disenfranchised Quebec Conservatives when Mulroney ( then Prime Minister ) sold them out over Meech Lake....Here we go with the commie hordes stuff...No political party in this country has a stellar past.. That's why the public wants a minority government-- no one deserves majority power.....

 

[Gonzo]

They sure did. However, what they wanted to do was dangerous to Canada. The Conservatives dont have Canada's best interests in mind. Who realy cares about a tape recording of some deal? It's tampered anyway. These people need to shut up and do some work, instead of acting like children.

 

[RedFred]

The voting records speak for themselves. The Liberals and the NDP are constantly collaborating with the Bloc (formerly the PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES, formerly Quebec Liberals). These fanatics should all be in jail. They are nothing but a gang of thieves and mobsters. I know I've seen enough of them to know what they are. Power at all costs. Control the money. Buy their power base with taxpayers money. Steal. Bribe. Use the RCMP as their palace guard. Control the media. Control the Senate. Control the Judiciary. Stalin (or Putin) would be very proud of these characters. THROW THEM IN JAIL!

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals and NDP In B

Wow, I didn't know Joe McCarthy had the ability to reincarnate at will.

The Bloc aren't communists and if you look at the history behind the Quebec separatist movement you can even understand, whether you agree with them or not, where they are coming from.

 

[Northboy]

The voting records speak for themselves. The Liberals and the NDP are constantly collaborating with the Bloc (formerly the PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES, formerly Quebec Liberals). These fanatics should all be in jail. They are nothing but a gang of thieves and mobsters. I know I've seen enough of them to know what they are. Power at all costs. Control the money. Buy their power base with taxpayers money. Steal. Bribe. Use the RCMP as their palace guard. Control the media. Control the Senate. Control the Judiciary. Stalin (or Putin) would be very proud of these characters. THROW THEM IN JAIL!

So let me get this straight the Progressive Conservatives were really Liberals, but were only foolin' when they were in opposition all those long years. That would make Hon Joe Clark a puppet of the regime.............Right?????

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals and NDP In B

It works like this, North...Two parts irrational hatred, three parts Jack Daniels, one part Jose Quervo a pinch of salt, and one sliced lime.

Joe Clark was the best bet that the political right had at forming an electable party. The radical right would not accept him. Now that they are unelectable due to their own actions and policies, it is all a Liberal plot and anybody they don't like...left, right or centre...is a Liberal because their soul mates in the US managed to make that a dirty word.

 

[Northboy]

Re: RE: Liberals and NDP In B

It works like this, North...Two parts irrational hatred, three parts Jack Daniels, one part Jose Quervo a pinch of salt, and one sliced lime.

Joe Clark was the best bet that the political right had at forming an electable party. The radical right would not accept him. Now that they are unelectable due to their own actions and policies, it is all a Liberal plot and anybody they don't like...left, right or centre...is a Liberal because their soul mates in the US managed to make that a dirty word.

Joe Clark is a passionate Canadian and the Conservatives would do well to find another one IMHO.
Rev., I smell neo-con burning.....

 

[MMMike]

They sure did. However, what they wanted to do was dangerous to Canada. The Conservatives dont have Canada's best interests in mind. Who realy cares about a tape recording of some deal? It's tampered anyway. These people need to shut up and do some work, instead of acting like children.

Gonzo, the federal Liberals have done more to tear this country apart than even the Bloc over the past few years. Adscam has resulted in a huge surge in sovereignty support in Quebec. The 'Atlantic Accord' is just one of Martins side deals that is undermining the fabric of this country. Now Ontario, Saskatchewan and others are lining up for their deals. Martin has further alienated Albertans with his rhetoric & special deals for those provinces that toe the Liberal line. They don't deserve to be in power. Harper is right to try to bring this government down.

How can you not care about the PM's top men offering to plum postings or cabinet seats in exchange for votes? I guess you support corruption and sleaze. We know what party you probably fit well with.

 

[Andygal]

How can you not care about the PM's top men offering to plum postings or cabinet seats in exchange for votes? I guess you support corruption and sleaze. We know what party you probably fit well with.

There is a significant amount of evidence that the tapes were tampered with by the Conservatives to make the Liberals look bad.

Which just shows you that the Conservatives are just as corrupt as the Liberals. And Grummat Grewel is a snake. Who, in case you have forgotten is reputed to have engaged in unethical activities involving immigration. Is he really the sort of person that can be trusted? I don't think so.

 

[MMMike]

How can you not care about the PM's top men offering to plum postings or cabinet seats in exchange for votes? I guess you support corruption and sleaze. We know what party you probably fit well with.

There is a significant amount of evidence that the tapes were tampered with by the Conservatives to make the Liberals look bad.

Which just shows you that the Conservatives are just as corrupt as the Liberals. And Grummat Grewel is a snake. Who, in case you have forgotten is reputed to have engaged in unethical activities involving immigration. Is he really the sort of person that can be trusted? I don't think so.

Stop living in your dream land. Listen to the tapes - it is absolutely clear what is being discussed. Are you suggesting that Murphy and Dosingh's voices are being faked, it is all a big setup? Or that if a section of the tape is missing, the liberal bagmen say, just kidding!!??

 

[The Philosopher]

Did I miss something or didn't Harper get into bed with the Bloc over the non-confidence motion and the budget???

That is the whole point of the thread. In order to drive down public opinion of the Conservatives they wanted to show that the Conservatives were getting in bed with them to save the government. They even had Stronach come out and say she was afraid the Conservatives were getting too close to the Bloc. Then about a three weeks later the Liberals, with Stronach tag up with the Bloc to defeat a Conservative movement. The point of the thread is to show that the Conservatives are not getting in bed with the Bloc, but rather that the Bloc is its own party and does not act with the Conservatives.

They sure did. However, what they wanted to do was dangerous to Canada. The Conservatives dont have Canada's best interests in mind. Who realy cares about a tape recording of some deal? It's tampered anyway. These people need to shut up and do some work, instead of acting like children.

Of course Conservative's do not have what's best for Canadians, only the Liberals can have that (rollseyes). In all foresight none of them independently know what is best for Canadians. Economically the Conservatives know what is best for Canada, that is why the Liberals did support a Conservative budget.

The Liberals knew what to do when it was a majority situation. The problem is a hand full of liberals could not be trusted. They looked to gain a little extra money through some programs for themselves and their friends (as the story goes stuff far).

The NDP know dick all about financing and although they have the best in mind they do not know how to run a budget.

With the NDP hooking up with the Liberals they are running a bad budget. If the Liberals did not need the NDP they would have a good budget, but still bad ethics.

The Conservatives have never been in government so its hard to imagine how they would run things. All we can do is speculate on how they would run things, we can never know.

So let me get this straight the Progressive Conservatives were really Liberals, but were only foolin' when they were in opposition all those long years. That would make Hon Joe Clark a puppet of the regime.............Right?????

The party started off as the Torries. This was the King's Conservative Party. It was the party that was first in power and then first elected, in order to maintain national stability.

With the rise of Liberalism the Torries felt they needed to bring in some Liberals to stay in power against the growing power of the Liberal party, most of these were in Quebec.

Other drives were made to integrate more people under a PC banner including a move to include many Libertarians and Neo-Liberals.

As a result of this we are only seeing the results of 50s-70s economic theory today. Those theories were not strong enough at that time.

So in the 90s when the Bloc Quebecois and Reform Party broke off from the Conservatives it left them fragile. The Liberal-Conservative Party they had formed with its ridiculously large budgets was a thing of the past.

Bloc tend to align more as socialists, which tend to be liberal

 

[Northboy]

Re: RE: Liberals and NDP In Bed with the Bloc

Did I miss something or didn't Harper get into bed with the Bloc over the non-confidence motion and the budget???

That is the whole point of the thread. In order to drive down public opinion of the Conservatives they wanted to show that the Conservatives were getting in bed with them to save the government. They even had Stronach come out and say she was afraid the Conservatives were getting too close to the Bloc. Then about a three weeks later the Liberals, with Stronach tag up with the Bloc to defeat a Conservative movement. The point of the thread is to show that the Conservatives are not getting in bed with the Bloc, but rather that the Bloc is its own party and does not act with the Conservatives.

They sure did. However, what they wanted to do was dangerous to Canada. The Conservatives dont have Canada's best interests in mind. Who realy cares about a tape recording of some deal? It's tampered anyway. These people need to shut up and do some work, instead of acting like children.

Of course Conservative's do not have what's best for Canadians, only the Liberals can have that (rollseyes). In all foresight none of them independently know what is best for Canadians. Economically the Conservatives know what is best for Canada, that is why the Liberals did support a Conservative budget.

The Liberals knew what to do when it was a majority situation. The problem is a hand full of liberals could not be trusted. They looked to gain a little extra money through some programs for themselves and their friends (as the story goes stuff far).

The NDP know dick all about financing and although they have the best in mind they do not know how to run a budget.

With the NDP hooking up with the Liberals they are running a bad budget. If the Liberals did not need the NDP they would have a good budget, but still bad ethics.

The Conservatives have never been in government so its hard to imagine how they would run things. All we can do is speculate on how they would run things, we can never know.

So let me get this straight the Progressive Conservatives were really Liberals, but were only foolin' when they were in opposition all those long years. That would make Hon Joe Clark a puppet of the regime.............Right?????

The party started off as the Torries. This was the King's Conservative Party. It was the party that was first in power and then first elected, in order to maintain national stability.

With the rise of Liberalism the Torries felt they needed to bring in some Liberals to stay in power against the growing power of the Liberal party, most of these were in Quebec.

Other drives were made to integrate more people under a PC banner including a move to include many Libertarians and Neo-Liberals.

As a result of this we are only seeing the results of 50s-70s economic theory today. Those theories were not strong enough at that time.

So in the 90s when the Bloc Quebecois and Reform Party broke off from the Conservatives it left them fragile. The Liberal-Conservative Party they had formed with its ridiculously large budgets was a thing of the past.

Bloc tend to align more as socialists, which tend to be liberal

That's why I'm for minority government-- just a bunch of glorified managers for the time being with no clear mandate...

As for your view on the Conservatives having the answer to our current economic situation, I'm not sure I can agree on that point.
The Conservative economic platform, if it follows the script playing out in Alberta, is a concept based on leveraging low cost labour and creating a race to the bottom with a gutted safety net...Not my kind of economics....

PS In my view the true path to Communism is unfettered Capitalism.
There'll be nothing left after they finish strip mining the public and the people will have no choice........