Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrites!

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Conservative MP Steven Fletcher says something unacceptable and is forced to say sorry, but goes on and on to say why Japanese deserve his ill sentiments, although he should have been more careful in his choice of words.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050521.wflet0521/BNStory/National/
It just doesn't seem enough. The way he chose to apologize sounds like no apology at all.
And where is Harper'? He's so fast to condemn other parties and leaders whenever someone else mispeaks. It's like I always suspected. There is no hidden agenda. Given any opportunity to speak, Harper's troops stick their feet in their mouth and show us how the Conservatives really feel about racial minorities, women, etc.

 

[missile]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

After seeing the man who made those comments,Isay give him some slack. Obviously he was only elected on the pity vote and has no future in any form of politics. The japanese who were in charge of the prison camp where his grandfather was held and tortured for 4 years were exactly what the politico called them and much worse.

 

[The Philosopher]

RE: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

What a horribly cruel and discriminating thing to say. If a person was elected on a pity vote they would have been elected decades ago. But he is the first person elected into government that needs a wheel chair ramp.

So far in the house he has done quite a good job. The Liberals are playing on old stereotypes of conservatives as racist, mysogynist bigots wherever they can right now. They're picking up little things that were not meant to be such and playing them as if that is how they were intended.

 

[Derry McKinney]

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Fletcher wasn't elected on any pity vote, Missile. He might have picked up a few votes that way, but the fact is that he was elected in a Conservative riding because he was on the Conservative ticket.

He is responsible for the things he says, just like anybody else. His apology sounded hollow at best.

Fletcher has a reputation, like so many others in his party, as being nasty. That reputation didn't come out of nowhere.

 

[bluealberta]

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Fletcher wasn't elected on any pity vote, Missile. He might have picked up a few votes that way, but the fact is that he was elected in a Conservative riding because he was on the Conservative ticket.

He is responsible for the things he says, just like anybody else. His apology sounded hollow at best.

Fletcher has a reputation, like so many others in his party, as being nasty. That reputation didn't come out of nowhere.

At least he apologised. When will Volpe?

The point is, everybody at one time or another, including everyone on this forum, will probably say things they wish they had not said. In politics, the parties and the media tend to take things and twist them so that the original message or statement is totally bent out of shape. So take them with a grain of salt, yes some statments are truly bad, but most of these statements are made by just ordinary people of all parties saying things that all people say all the time.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

What's your ethnic heritage? How would you like it if we started using slurs against it?

 

[bluealberta]

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What's your ethnic heritage? How would you like it if we started using slurs against it?

Did you even read my response?

Unfortunately, you sound like someone who looks at the world as a black and white place only. Trouble is, the grey areas are the areas reality lives in. And if you want to believe every word in the Globe and Braille, be my guest.

 

[Derry McKinney]

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So I should believe in what? The Calgary Sun? How 'bout that National Post?

I don't live in a black and white world, BA. I do live in a world where public figures should be careful what they say in public because what they say in public is only a quarter as bad as what they say in private.

 

[bluealberta]

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So I should believe in what? The Calgary Sun? How 'bout that National Post?

I don't live in a black and white world, BA. I do live in a world where public figures should be careful what they say in public because what they say in public is only a quarter as bad as what they say in private.

Yeah, just like all the liberals who made horribly derogatory comments about the US and George Bush. No apologies there either, I see. No difference between what you accuse the conservative of either.

 

[Scape]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Pity vote? Harsh! He was young and made a mistake and apologized. He tried to justify his mistake in the apology which was poor judgment. He should of kept it short and sweet. As a Canadian MP he does represent Canada and Canada has Japanese citizens. Racial epitaphs have no place and 'Brutal Jap bastards' qualifies.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Pity vote? Harsh! He was young and made a mistake and apologized. He tried to justify his mistake in the apology which was poor judgment. He should of kept it short and sweet. As a Canadian MP he does represent Canada and Canada has Japanese citizens. Racial epitaphs have no place and 'Brutal Jap bastards' qualifies.

No doubt, and I agree. And to his credit he apologised, so let's at least acknowledge that. Others in the Liberal party don't even have the decency for that.

 

[Derry McKinney]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Yeah, just like all the liberals who made horribly derogatory comments about the US and George Bush.

There is difference between a political remark made about a politician who is hated around the world and yet another racial slur against an entire group based on nothing more than their ethnic heritage.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Yeah, just like all the liberals who made horribly derogatory comments about the US and George Bush.

There is difference between a political remark made about a politician who is hated around the world and yet another racial slur against an entire group based on nothing more than their ethnic heritage.

Ah, that everybody hates the American crap. The point is, and you made it, if you are going to be in public life, you have a higher standard to uphold, and I agree with you. This includes derogatory comments about another country and its leaders though, especially given the raw emotions that were evident after 9-11. Inappropriate public statements are just that, whether they are racial or political.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

I don't recall any inappropiate statements about the US.

 

[Walrus]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Yeah, just like all the liberals who made horribly derogatory comments about the US and George Bush.

There is difference between a political remark made about a politician who is hated around the world and yet another racial slur against an entire group based on nothing more than their ethnic heritage.

Carolyn Parrish's remark - “Damn Americans ... I hate those bastards.”

She didn't even have the grace to apologize and wasn't forced to by her party or the PM. She was forced out of the party 8 months after that comment because of her defiance of Martin on other matters.

That is just one example from the Liberal Party and it wasn't aimed at just one politician who is universally despised. Granted that Fletcher's remark was wrong but to use him as an example that the Conservative Party is a group of bigots is just a simple denial that the Liberal Party has just as many. And if you think that the NDP is free from idiots you only have to look at the comments in the recent BC election.

 

[Derry McKinney]

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It was aimed at at the US negotiating team though Walrus...a specific group because of their specific actions. It also summed up the feelings of everybody at those meetings because the US didn't come to negotiate, they came to bully and threaten.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Yeah, just like all the liberals who made horribly derogatory comments about the US and George Bush.

There is difference between a political remark made about a politician who is hated around the world and yet another racial slur against an entire group based on nothing more than their ethnic heritage.

Carolyn Parrish's remark - “Damn Americans ... I hate those bastards.”

She didn't even have the grace to apologize and wasn't forced to by her party or the PM. She was forced out of the party 8 months after that comment because of her defiance of Martin on other matters.

That is just one example from the Liberal Party and it wasn't aimed at just one politician who is universally despised. Granted that Fletcher's remark was wrong but to use him as an example that the Conservative Party is a group of bigots is just a simple denial that the Liberal Party has just as many. And if you think that the NDP is free from idiots you only have to look at the comments in the recent BC election.

The other one was the official in Uncle Jeans office who made some sort of ridiculous comment shortly after 9-11, but I can't remember her name. And let's not forget Jean himself saying that the US may have been to blame for 9-11.

 

[bluealberta]

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It was aimed at at the US negotiating team though Walrus...a specific group because of their specific actions. It also summed up the feelings of everybody at those meetings because the US didn't come to negotiate, they came to bully and threaten.

No it wasn't, she made the comment coming out of a liberal caucus meeting twice, and got punted the second time.

 

[Walrus]

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It was aimed at at the US negotiating team though Walrus...a specific group because of their specific actions. It also summed up the feelings of everybody at those meetings because the US didn't come to negotiate, they came to bully and threaten.

And Fletcher's remarks were aimed at the Japanese prison guards who were brutalizing the POW's in their care.

You don't seem to care that Parrish's remarks were just as racist regardless of who they were aimed at but you do about Fletcher's - is this because his remarks fit your stereotype of what bigots the Conservatives are but since Parrish is a Liberal she can't be considered racist?

 

[Derry McKinney]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

You don't seem to care that Parrish's remarks were just as racist regardless of who they were aimed at but you do about Fletcher's - is this because his remarks fit your stereotype of what bigots the Conservatives are but since Parrish is a Liberal she can't be considered racist?

That's just silly. Parrish was not making racist remarks.

No it wasn't, she made the comment coming out of a liberal caucus meeting twice, and got punted the second time.

No, you are wrong.