Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

I am personally a staunch supporter of Canadian soverignty however, I am interested to know if there is anyone out there who wants to create a United United States and Canadan and why. With all the pressure that the US government has put on us since ummmm the end of the American revolution, I believe that it is only a matter of time before this becomes a serious question.

Thank You Very Much

nay

you know where you can stick that suggestion.

I think that there are several States that should join Canada and several others that should be given back to Mexico. I would happily partition the US into several regions and keep them separate, much as Germany was divided after WWII.

It seems the US has never lost it's want to control of NA.

Hold onto your shorts kiddies, because Martin is sending Manley and Tommy D'Aquino to more or less secret meetings to discuss doing that very thing. --

I would say no as well.

He isn't sending they are already at it they put the idea of one police force,one immigration dept.on the table. The us trilateral commision is sponsoring the whole thing and there is alot of americans upset about it too.don't know how the mexicans feel about it But i say f.ck that not interested i hope the rest of canada feels the same way

I've long suspected that the Libs and Cons have been working with the nefarious New World Order...check it the following links:

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Nice little endorsement by our PM...

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Interesting choice of words there in the PM's bio...

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The Bilderberg Conference in an annual gathering of power-mongers and elitists...the media never reports on this event, and no one knows what their agenda may be...

Here is a list of Canadian attendees over the past 10 years...

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Notable Canadian attendees. 2004:

Kevin G. Lynch -- Deputy Minister of Finance

Frank McKenna -- Counsel, McInnes Cooper, former premier of New Brunswick, current ambassador to the US.

Heather Reisman -- President and CEO Indigo Books and Music Inc.

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Notable Canadian attendees, 2003:

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited, Chairman and CEO Hollinger International Inc.

Anthony S. Fell -- Chairman RBC Dominion Securities Inc.

Stephen Harper -- Leader of the Opposition

Margaret O. MacMillan -- Provost, Trinity College, University of Toronto

Heather Reisman -- President and CEO Indigo Books and Music Inc.

Mark Steyn -- Journalist for various publications

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Notable Canadian attendees, 2002:

Charles A. Baillie -- Chairman and CEO TD Bank Financial Group

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited, Chairman and CEO Hollinger International Inc.

David Frum -- American Enterprise Institute; Former Special Assistant to President Bush

Heather Reisman -- President and CEO Indigo Books and Music Inc.

Kenneth Whyte -- Editor National Post

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Notable Canadian attendees, 2001:

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited, Chairman and CEO Hollinger International Inc.

John Hunkin -- Chairman and CEO, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce

Bernard Lord -- Priemer of New Brunswick

Margaret O. MacMillan -- Editor, International Journal, Canadian Institute of International Affairs

Heather Monroe-Blum -- Vice-President for Research and International Relations, University of Toronto

Kenneth Whyte -- Editor-in-Chief, National Post

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Notable Canadian attendees, 2000:

Israel Asper -- Chairman, CanWest Capital Group Inc.

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited, Chairman and CEO Hollinger International Inc.

David Frum -- Columnist, National Post Newspaper

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Notable Canadian attendees, 1999:

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited, Chairman and CEO Hollinger International Inc.

John A.D. de Chastelain -- Chairman, Independent International Commission on Decommissioning

Peter C. Godsoe -- Chairman and CEO, Bank of Nova Scotia

Peter A. Herndorf -- Former Chairman and CEO, TV Ontario; Senior Visiting Fellow, University of Toronto

Roy McLaren -- High Commissioner for Canada in Britain

Margaret O. MacMillan -- Editor, International Journal

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Notable Canadian attendees, 1998:

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited, Chairman and CEO Hollinger International Inc.

Raymond A.J. Chretien -- Ambassador to the U.S

Stephane Dion -- Queens Privy Council for Canada and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs

Margaret O. MacMillan -- Editor, International Journal, Canadian Institute of International Affairs

Preston Manning -- Leader of the Reform Party of Canada

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Notable Canadian attendees, 1997:

Isabel Basset -- Parliamentary Assistant to the Ministry of Finance, Government of Ontario

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited

David Frum -- Political Commentator

Heather Monroe-Blum -- Vice-President for Research and International Relations, University of Toronto

Maureen Sabia -- Corporate Director and President, Maureen Sabia International

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Notable Canadian attendees, 1996:

Lloyd Axworthy -- Minister of Foreign Affairs

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, The Telegraph

Jean Chretien -- Prime Minister of Canada

Marie-Josee Drouin -- Executive Director, Hudson Institute of Canada

Frederick S. Eaton -- Chairman, Executive Committee, Eaton's of Canada

A.L. Flood -- Chairman, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce

Allen E. Gotleib -- Former Ambassador to the United States of America

Anthony G.S. Griffin -- Honorary Chairman and Director, Guardian Group

Michael Harris -- Premier of Ontario

Paul Martin -- Minister of Finance

Sylvia Ostry -- Chairman, Centre for International Studies, University of Toronto

Edward S. Rogers -- President and CEO, Rogers Communications, Inc.

L.R. Wilson -- Chairman, President and CEO, BCE Inc.

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Notable Canadian attendees, 1995:

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited

Marie-Josee Drouin -- Executive Director, Hudson Institute of Canada

Allen E. Gotleib -- Former Ambassador to the United States of America

Ralph Klein -- Premier of Alberta

J. Robert Pritchard -- President, University of Toronto

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Notable Canadian attendees, 1994:

Conrad M. Black -- Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited

Marie-Josee Drouin -- Executive Director, Hudson Institute of Canada

Roy MacLaren -- Minister for International Trade

Frank McKenna -- Premier of New Brunswick

William Thorsell -- Editor, The Globe and Mail

Peter G. White -- Chairman of Unimedia; Former Head of the Prime Ministers Office

What do all of these Canadians have in common? They're all either sitting politicians, media magnates, or high financiers...nothing of what is discussed in these conferences is ever published in the media...I'm very much curious as to what they discuss there...

...one last thing to note, there were no representatives from the NDP Party, or the Bloc Quebecois in attendence at these conferences...ever!!

I gotta give this a nay.

Hope I never live long enough to see the day. The thought of such an action is repulsive, to say the least. Not "repulsive" as meaning "anti-american", but rather to our own identity and way of life - and, yes people, we do have one that is unique.

The even further merging of trade and commerce is inevitable, as Mulrooney opened the flood-gates and the flow is so high that they can't be closed. Wal-Mart, and it's ilk, are now part of our landscape, but our border must remain sovereign.

Anybody who is for becoming another US acquisition does not fully comprehend the impact.

Stop being so paranoid. It will never happen.

Just keep sending us people like Neve Campbell.

Hey don't forget are comedians

And bands like Treble Charger.

Although they aren't as popular here. The furthest south they have come is Syracuse I think.

Do we have any choice in all of this?

Does anyone out there in the public realize that this is going on?

Is this why we are forbidden to have referendums?

Is this why we are forbidden proportional representation?

Is this the reason why we can't vote directly for our prime minister?

Unfortunetly I don't think the powers that be are going to give us a choice I think your going to see another large scale terror attack .THen the will say the only way we can ever be safe is to give up what little freedom we have left and the majority of sheeple will just go along with it .

Shamus, that's a path that Brian Mulroney got us started on and Paul Martin has steadfastly refused to change. He headed up the charge within the Liberal Party to keep NAFTA and has worked to expand it. He is nominally better than Stephen Harper, who wouldn't even pretend to negotiate, just hand everything over. Martin pretends to negotiate, at least.

There's an article at -- about it and I suspect that there will be some sort of action against it.

I think there will be another large scale terror attack sometime before Bush leaves office, Mr.Mom. It will again be in the US though, not in Canada. The US will receive much less support than they did for 9-11.

Doncha all know that Canada is going to become another continent on its own??? What else can happen in order to support our multicultural identity??? We will become like Europe with all different countries. That should create a bigger headache for assimiliation into the States

Death first.
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Ok, I'm getting ready to go into my "duck and cover" mode for saying this, but my opinion is SURE! This whole competitive thing between Canada and the US is, in my opinion, more like primary schoolyard mentality. We're all folk, just trying to get by in this world the best we can.

I think the sanity factor of Canadians would temper some of the rabid aggression of the Americans. I think some of the patriotism and willingness to take a stance on things would strengthen Canada's ambiguous, polite way of being. I think both countries would be better for the marriage.

Plus I'd love to be able to wander down to somewhere permanently warm to live and work!

I tend to see things from a more global perspective. Instead of all the pushing, shoving and protecting turf, everyone would benefit from that time, energy and money being put toward improving the standard of living for everyone. Of course western imperialism wouldn't stand for it ... ya gotta keep somebody down if you want to keep yourself elevated, right? Gotta have someone's back to stand on if you hold fast to the popular political philosophy.

Idealistic? Yup. But I do believe anything else is short sighted. Probably not in our lifetimes, but one day we will become a global village ... either that or we'll wipe ourselves out when someone pushes the button.

Ok ... now I'll hide under my computer desk while everyone flings rotten tomatoes at me!

At the price of tomatoes this year? I don't think so.

I don't see it as Canada vs. USA much, Cosmo. Like I've said in other posts, I just place blame where blame is due. That casts a much less uglier light on the USA, especially under the Bush government, than it does on the rest of the world though. While Canada, Europe, and the wealthy countries of Asia have at least begun to move towards addressing the very real problems that face the world, the USA has consistently worked against attempts to increase multi-lateralism and work towards bringing the developing world up to the standards we enjoy.

When I go after Canada or Europe, it is generally because they aren't doing enough. When I go after the US, it is generally because they are hampering the attempts of other nations and world organisations and moving us further away from achieving a global village.

The global village is a wonderful thing to work towards. It is work though...it doesn't just happen.

By the way, if you haven't done so go and read Michael Red Eagle's link. It's excellent.

Now that sounds good to me

I have little pity for people living on the west coast who are looking for a warmer place to live and work. Try Winnipeg for a winter.

I missed which is the 51st state

Iraq?

Puerto Rico? Panama? Mexico? Colombia? Haiti?

That's the thing...how do you order them? Do you go by date, amount of control, number of people suffering, dead babies?

Mexico is independent (for now)
Columbian Farmers say they make more $ growing private cocane than farming plus what the us gives them.
Haiti doesn't belong to anyone, especially the Haitians.
But Puerto Rico is a us territory, they should watch their backs.

And as for anyone complaining about the cold 2 things:
1. Cold country, warm people.
2. Readers Digest has named Canada the country where women are having more sex than anywhere else %wise in the world 12 years running!!!

That's pritty warm!

And as for the argument of Can vs. amer

It unfortunately sometimes can become what appears to be kids in a schoolyard. The sad thing is that there are many on both sides who are getting frustrated and impatient with each other.

The world has enough people that we will soon find the ideas and ideals to be all that we fight over. Its rediculous. Countrys are going to war now just "because". What kind of nonsense is this. Border disputes that harm individuals while stocks rise?

The original question is Should Canada Become the 52nd (whatever) State? This is absurd. Should China become the 53rd?
What about England? #54 Turnabout would be fair play.

There is too many people for any one government to govern. They are finding this out the hard way in Iraq. If the americans had read a single history book they would know this from such examples as:
Alexanders Pursa
Rome
Gaul
The land of the Huns
Mongolia
etc.

Canadians would never stand for it anyway. For one, as much as canada is lacking many Canadianisticism (?), the one thing most Canadians take pride in is that they are not american.

At first this may seem a childish and moot point but then...
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You may laugh at this, but, I am begining to truely believe the reason why places like China haven't bombed the us into next Tuesday is because everyone doesn't want to accidentally have anything happen to Canada. You know, fall out and all. "We would blast you to bits, but we don't want to accidentally hurt our friends who just so happen to live next door to you." Kim Il Jong (not really, but wouldn't that be funny.)

Idealistic...Yes...But I don't see it as a bad idea at all.

Ah, Rev, so I have heard. "Winterpeg" I believe, is what a designer I hired from there called it. Took a cut in pay to move to the interior of BC -- where thirty below is not unheard of -- and thought it was tropical! I, alas, am a sun worshipper. When the weather dips below mid-20s celcius I start to whine. I was never designed to exist this far north.

Kinda reinforces my point precisely. I agree that the USA rabidly goes about acquiring and depleting whatever it can like some kind of sociopathic machine. If the US has a kind of testosterone poisoning, Canada, on the other hand, lacks some of that necessary drive. While the US is a big, mean pitbull sitting there, Canada is a big, dumb, friendly irish setter wagging its tail at everyone. I think there needs to be some balance. Canada needs a little of that backbone and the US needs tempering.

Zenfisher called it idealistic. Absolutely. I live by a "shoot for the moon -- even if you miss, you end up in the stars" philosophy. I am an idealist at heart. That doesn't mean I am blind to the reality, just that I think there is a better way of doing things. We certainly can't go after the US with fierce aggression! We'd get our little butts kicked. I believe to change any system it needs to be done from within. Righteous indignation, no matter how valid, is a little like poking that pitbull with a stick ... just pisses it off and doesn't do anything to change the basic nature.

Polyanna optimist? Perhaps. But under the veneer of cynicism I cultivate, I do actually believe there is some hope for nearly everyone. Now my secret is out, I guess.

I did try to read the link posted but don't know which thread to go to in that forum and can't bear to spend that long reading political stuff. I am a lightweight, I'm afraid, Rev. I do realize you could probably have shredded my "let's all just get along" viewpoint six ways from Sunday and appreciate you using a gentler hand with me.

This thread just caught my attention since I've always said I'd love to live in the states where I could actually get warm for once. And maybe own a handgun. (Ducking the tomatoes again!)

It's just that to live in the States,you need to own a handgun..gotta keep up with the Joneses,you know.