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Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

ElPolaco

#181

RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Sep 28th, 2005

The thought of someday just hopping accross the border to escape the terminal psychosis down here was a thought that eliminated a lot of anxiety for me. Now all this talk of annexation on this thread has me thinking of western Europe.

Blackleaf

#182

Re: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Sep 28th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by soupy

I am personally a staunch supporter of Canadian soverignty however, I am interested to know if there is anyone out there who wants to create a United United States and Canadan and why. With all the pressure that the US government has put on us since ummmm the end of the American revolution, I believe that it is only a matter of time before this becomes a serious question.

Thank You Very Much

Don't you mean the 51st state?

Reverend Blair

#183

Re: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Sep 28th, 2005

Quote:

Don't you mean the 51st state?

Nah, that's Britain.

Martin Le Acadien

#184

Re: RE: Should Canada Become

Sep 28th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by neocon-hunter

Isn't or wasn't Puerto Rico trying to become#51? or will that go to Iraq? ha

Puerto Rico had a vote where the choice was:

1. Statehood 45%
2. Territory 51%
3. Independence 04%

The reason PR wanted to stay a "Territory" was that Income Tax can only be collected by the Territory and not the FEDERAL GOVT so Taxes are much lower! Federal Assistance is guaranteed and because PRis not a state, they are a self run "Commonwealth" with little or no Federal Involvement in their local affairs! They Speak Spanish, Use US Currency, are considered US Citizens and don't vote for the President!

Martin Le Acadien

#185

Re: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Sep 29th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

Does anyone think that the US should become the 11th province of Canada. (BIG province......but what the heck..... That would do away with the "red" and "blue" thing the US have going at the moment too......and all the dissention in between.

How about 50 more Provinces, 6 or 7 territories (Most in real sunny warm places!) and 300 Million more Canadians!

At least the money would get colourful and tooneys could be saved up for that Cuban vacation!

Martin Le Acadien

#186

Re: RE: Should Canada Become

Sep 29th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

I think we should just encourage the blue states to form their own country, Ocean. That way we'd have a buffer between the Bu****es and the rest of us.

Southern Acadie would be an enclave in a Blue State and the Second derangement would probably be under way!

Thanks Rev, you have given me a good idea about a futuristic novel about the realignment of countires in the not so distant future!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

AT THE BORDER STATION, DETROIT, NEW MICHIGAN: 15 JUNE, 2031:

NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Yes Sir, what is the purpose of your visit to the Northern US Sector?

MARTIN L'ACADIEN: i am en route to Southern Acadie below Thibodaux, Louisiane. (Handing Canadian Passports to Agent)

NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Anything to declare, any consumables, meats or plants?

MARTIN L'ACADIEN: no sir

NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Have a nice trip down South!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

AT THE OHIO RIVER BORDER CHECK, SOUTHERN STATES CUSTOM STATION:

SOUTHERN STATES BORDER CONTROL: Yo boy, where you headed Frenchie?

MARTIN L'ACADIEN: To Louisiane, Southern Acadie, Canada.

SSBC: Coon Ass Land, huh, should have thought, Youze got anything to declare including subversive material!

MARTIN L'ACADIEN: No sir, just trying to get down South.

SSBC: Well this pass is good for 36 Hours and don't let us catch ur stinking *ss subverting any of our good citizens of dark color! Now git boy!

AS WE ARE PULLING AWAY FROM THE STATION, LA MADAM ACADIENNE says: Le prochain temps, jemais!

Rev, not a good idea, too much disharmony on the continent!

Jo Canadian

#187

Re: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Sep 29th, 2005

Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

My question is Why???

What would be achieved? It's not like things down there are being run any better than they are here...It's just being run badly differently.

What the states would aquire from us is more water, an end to the softwood lumber dispute, and extra non renewable resources to boot, and a whole pile of cannon fodder for when their draft kicks in.

Martin Le Acadien

#188

Re: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Sep 30th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian

Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

My question is Why???

What would be achieved? It's not like things down there are being run any better than they are here...It's just being run badly differently.

What the states would aquire from us is more water, an end to the softwood lumber dispute, and extra non renewable resources to boot, and a whole pile of cannon fodder for when their draft kicks in.

In a nutshell, you have probably summed it up.

Politicians behaving badly!

alex31

#189

RE: Should Canada Become

Nov 3rd, 2005

It would be completely stupid Canada s in the G8 and a welthy country what is the point of joining the USA? also many people would get very annoyed

Boydfish

#190

RE: Should Canada Become

Nov 10th, 2005

The Canadian government isn't the competent juristiction to negotiate any such agreement and the US would foolish to negotiate this with them.

The Canadian confederation is made up of 10 equal partners and three territories. British Columbia in no way delegated to the Canadians any authority to negotiate such a deal, so if the US shows up waving a piece of paper signed by a Canadian claiming we're now all united, it's meaningless until each province agreed to it. In short, not going to happen for a multitude of reasons.

In fact, if you look at world trends, I think you're going to see North America fracture into several different independent nations.

Papachongo

#191

RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 6th, 2005

i'm against canada joining the states for the simple reason that imperial measurement really screws me up. that and i like my flashy, multicoloured canadian currency.

Reverend Blair

#192

Re: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 6th, 2005

Quote:

i'm against canada joining the states for the simple reason that imperial measurement really screws me up.

It would really, really screw up if joined the US...imperial measurements in Canada and Britain (and the rest of the Commonwealth) are different than the measurements used in the US.

The worst part about that is the US has smaller pint glasses, so when you order a pint at the fake British pub, you get ripped off.

Papachongo

#193

RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 6th, 2005

Damn you don't read that in the fine print!

Martin Le Acadien

#194

Re: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 13th, 2005

[quote="Reverend Blair"]

Quote:

The worst part about that is the US has smaller pint glasses, so when you order a pint at the fake British pub, you get ripped off.

Beer in the US is limited to 3.8 to 5.5 on Alcohol content along with being poorly made. Kidneys hafta work Overtime to get the liver up to speed!

Imperial measurements are 5/4 to American and Metric is better anyhow.

What if we joined Canada, our money could get coloured faster and look better! Teaching English speaking Yanks to say eh and ZED would be fun.

The Whitehouse could be turned into a museum with a special section on why the US broke up after the disastourous misadventues of the Bushes.

Think of the possibliities!

Finder

#195

Re: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 18th, 2005

It would make us a part of a Republic and remove the Monarchy. BUT I don't think we should.

FiveParadox

Liberal

#196

RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 20th, 2005

Enequivocally, no.

I am a staunch supporter of Canadian sovereignty and, while I may support many of our nations' partner projects and shared endeavours, I think that Canada is far better off as an independent and sovereign nation.

To join the United States, Canada would be forced to abolish the vesting of executive power in the monarchy, which I fundamentally oppose; this would be abandoning a huge part of Canadian tradition, heritage and history. Furthermore, the Supreme Court of Canada, which has served our people so well, would no longer be the final arbiter of Canadian issues; rather, issues of human rights would be referred to the Supreme Court of the United States, which as a far more "conservative" record in terms of its interpretation of constitutional text.

I would not suggest that Canada take any action that would threaten the absolute authority of the Constitution Act, 1982; in particular, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Personally, I believe the merging of Canadian and American judicial systems would please the until-now liberal (which in terms of rights and freedoms, is most certainly a good thing) interpretation of the Constitution at risk.

And lastly, let's think about some of the really good qualities about Canada's system of Government. Our Prime Minister and his Government were defeated weeks ago on a vote of non-confidence, reflecting the disapproval of the people in relation to their administration of the nation. In the United States, such cannot be the case with the executive branch of the Government; once elected, a President is entrenched in the process until the next set election, notwithstanding a soaring rating of general disapproval.

In Canada, we have the social programs we need to ensure that each and every citizen has access to the resources they need; health care is a huge example of this. It is a fundamental right that Canadians have access to health care, notwithstanding whatever their financial situation may be.

That's just my opinion. I say "neay," on the topic of a political "union" with the United States.

Finder

#197

Re: RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 25th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Enequivocally, no.
I am a staunch supporter of Canadian sovereignty and, while I may support many of our nations' partner projects and shared endeavours, I think that Canada is far better off as an independent and sovereign nation.
To join the United States, Canada would be forced to abolish the vesting of executive power in the monarchy, which I fundamentally oppose; this would be abandoning a huge part of Canadian tradition, heritage and history. Furthermore, the Supreme Court of Canada, which has served our people so well, would no longer be the final arbiter of Canadian issues; rather, issues of human rights would be referred to the Supreme Court of the United States, which as a far more "conservative" record in terms of its interpretation of constitutional text.
I would not suggest that Canada take any action that would threaten the absolute authority of the Constitution Act, 1982; in particular, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Personally, I believe the merging of Canadian and American judicial systems would please the until-now liberal (which in terms of rights and freedoms, is most certainly a good thing) interpretation of the Constitution at risk.
And lastly, let's think about some of the really good qualities about Canada's system of Government. Our Prime Minister and his Government were defeated weeks ago on a vote of non-confidence, reflecting the disapproval of the...
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I agree with you mostly on that. Besides the whole monarchy thing. But the reason why the government was defeated was because we had a minority government this time around. The Liberals have yet to ever carry the support of or manadate of the people with a 51% higher or more pop vote.

With everything else you have two thumbs up from me. American culture, even in the north might be like our own in some ways but there are still many differences between the Northern American states and Canada. We have a rich history which most americans don't even read about starting from the Vikings, to New France to the BNA (act). If Canada were to ever dissolve it would be one of the worst things which could happen in the world, as Canada is one of the shinning stars of progress, with social programs which at least attempt to protect the poor to peace keeping around the world and a good moderate voice reason to military powers around the world.

I'm hopeful the USA would fall apart long before Canada does.

the caracal kid

#198

RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 25th, 2005

"I'm hopeful the USA would fall apart long before Canada does."

that sounds funny! are we just holding onto a dysfunctional crumbling system only to be so prideful as to outlast another faulty crumbling system?

i smell the pride you have in canada in your post. as the saying goes "pride cometh before the fall".

FiveParadox

Liberal

#199

RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 25th, 2005

Nothing wrong with having pride in our country.

May not be perfect, but it's better than nothing. lol

Finder

#200

Re: RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 26th, 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

"I'm hopeful the USA would fall apart long before Canada does."

that sounds funny! are we just holding onto a dysfunctional crumbling system only to be so prideful as to outlast another faulty crumbling system?

i smell the pride you have in canada in your post. as the saying goes "pride cometh before the fall".

Look man I'm also an internationalist. If you read my posts I often take into account things happening in other nations. I think Canada could use things other nations do.

"pride cometh before the fall"? I think your quoting out of context here. You might be able to smell a hint of pride I have in my post on trying to keep confederation together, but I smell aversion to confederation in yours.

cyberclark

#201

RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 26th, 2005

The reality:
Lower Canadian dollar, lower Canadian Wages brought about the huge office furniture business in Calgary AB. This plant was put up working around the clock, 7 days a week. 6 factories were shut down in the US.

At the same time the pulp and paper industry was doing very well, most their profits taken on exchange rates.

Our dollar became stronger; the Calgary plant is shut down and 7 have opened in the US.

Pulp and paper industry is tanked with majors like Waehouser and Attabi looking at starting up the old smokers south of the border closing modern clean plants in Alberta and Saskatchwan.

The point being, we are essentially one economy and the US are a multi trillion bucks into debt.

I think we should remain distinctly Canadian and Seperate from the US. I welcome the new influence of China on our economy which just may save us all!

the caracal kid

#202

RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

Dec 26th, 2005

finder,

i have no aversion to confederation. i just see a better approach to a modern canada. the old ways do not reflect what canada has become and is evolving into. The strong-arming approach is not going to hold canada together and I prefer taking a progressive approach to the future rather than holding onto outmoded models out of nostalgia.

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