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Carolyn Parrish

Carolyn Parrish

Reverend Blair

#1Nov 19th, 2004

At the risk of drawing the ire of apologists for the Bush regime and those who do not have faith Canada's ability to stand on its own two feet...."Way to go Carolyn, I hope you get re-elected."

While the right cringes every time Ms. Parrish speaks, and Paul Martin was so mad that he fired her from caucus while in a minority government, Ms. Parrish is simply giving voice to the feelings of a lot of Canadians.

George Bush is a war-like man. The American government, when unilaterally forcing agreements on other nations, are bastards. It would take a coalition of idiots to push for a missile program that doesn't work, has caused a new arms race, and is designed to usher in the weaponisation of space.

I'll go a little further than Carolyn has. George Bush is a coke-head and a drunk who has made the world a more dangerous place through his unilateralism and greed. He's a war criminal and a danger to humanity. He belongs in a prison cell or possibly should be sent back to Texas where they still execute the mentally challenged murderers.

Now more than ever we need voices like Ms. Parrish in the House of Commons, in the national press, and in all facets of Canadian life. That those who would sell this country out for a few pieces of silver in their own pockets are so desperate to muzzle such voices shows only their own selfish motives.

Just the Facts

Free Thinker

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

Nice speech, but she got turfed because of her disparaging remarks about Martin, not Bush.

Haggis McBagpipe

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

She was turfed for both reasons, Just the Facts. She's got guts, we need more Canadians willing to speak out like that.

Just the Facts

Free Thinker

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

We got lots of Canadians with guts,we need more with brains!!

Paranoid Dot Calm

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

Although I agree with her statements .... I don't agree with her tatics.

I could handle it if an ordinary citizen of America called our Prime Minister an idiot. But, not if a member of the American government did. She is a member of our government, and should keep her undiplomatic "personal" attacks to herself.
She can disagree with Bushs' policies, but not suggest he is insane.
Had she of just appeared on the comedy show and did not comment further, I could handle that.

Her actions angered me just like the Jewish folks did when they booed our foreign minister at a press conference and where he discussed a 2 state solution for Palestine/Israel. (No class!)

At first, when I used to hear her tirades, I thought she was trying to copy Sheila Copps when she was part of the "Rat Pack" in the old days.

But, this time she went too far.
She did the same thing we teach our children not to do when they are in grade school.

Calm

Reverend Blair

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

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Nice speech, but she got turfed because of her disparaging remarks about Martin, not Bush.

More and more the difference is hard to see. The reason she has no respect for Martin is because he's way to willing to play Chamberlain to Bush's Hitler.

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We got lots of Canadians with guts,we need more with brains!!

We need more politicians who stand up for Canada.

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I could handle it if an ordinary citizen of America called our Prime Minister an idiot. But, not if a member of the American government did.

They used to call Chretien "Dino" and worse. God knows what they call martin.

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She is a member of our government, and should keep her undiplomatic "personal" attacks to herself.

She is an MP who has been re-elected because she represents her constituents. She also represents a lot of other Canadians.

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She can disagree with Bushs' policies, but not suggest he is insane.

He thinks his god wants him to be president. I think a lot more people than Parrish should be pointing out that he's a dangerous nut-bag.

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At first, when I used to hear her tirades, I thought she was trying to copy Sheila Copps when she was part of the "Rat Pack" in the old days.

Parrish has been around for four elections. She isn't exactly a newcomer.

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But, this time she went too far.
She did the same thing we teach our children not to do when they are in grade school.

Politics is not grade school though. You've seen Question Period, you've sat in a bar with rednecks, you've listened to Bush speak. She didn't step over any line that those she's speaking out against haven't crossed time and again.

All she is really guilty of is expressing the feelings of many Canadians and defending her right to do so. In different times I would say that she crossed the boundaries of good taste. Given the way Canada has been treated since George Bush took power I'd argue that she hasn't gone far enough and has remained far too polite.

fubbleskag

No Party Affiliation

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

well said reverend

vista

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

Parrish is an embarassment.

While she is expressing the views of most Canadians, she is acting like a spoiled schoolyard brat.

Just like Shiela Copps as part of the Rat Pack - yelling and crawling over chairs. Pathetic, disappointing behaviour.

Credibility lost. No one will respond respectfully or thoughtfully no matter how right (or wrong) she may have been with her observations.

Parrish had the guts to speak out and perhaps she may have been able to get others who feel the same way to speak out, but no, she blew it for everyone.

Too bad.

I am surprised it took so long to start a thread on her...

moghrabi

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

She is Lady with BALLS

vista

#10

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

The last thing I want on my "Lady" is balls!

Reverend Blair

#11

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

She doesn't embarrass me at all, Vista. She didn't make the rules of this game, but she's playing by them. She doesn't blame Martin for firing her, but is unrepentant about doing the things that got her fired. She says that she is still a liberal and will vote accordingly instead of trying to bring down the government out of spite.

What is her crime in the end? Calling George Bush names? Better send the paddy wagon to my house then. Yours too, for that matter.

Maybe her crime was not backing Paul Martin. Oops, I'm guilty of that too. I've said much worse than Parrish, in fact. How about you?

Maybe her crime was speaking in a fashion that somebody deemed inappropriate. Hell, I've written thousands of words saying that George Bush has sexual intercourse with pigs, only not worded that politely. Only one person has ever objected and it was to the language, not the sentiment.

What her crime really is, when all is said and done, is being honest and forthright and standing up for what she believes in and she thinks her constituents believe in. We all bitch about politicians that don't say what they mean and don't speak out and just toe the party line whether they agree or not.

We finally have somebody who does none of those things and the first instinct of many is to wish she would do all of those things.

moghrabi

#12

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

She has big BALLS to stand up for what she believes in.

vista

#13

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

The thing with Parrish was her behaviour. It did not generate serious, thoughtful discussion.

Instead of discussing her observations of Bush and the policies of the US administration, Canada just discussed her antics.

She was her own worst enemy.

Reverend Blair

#14

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

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The thing with Parrish was her behaviour. It did not generate serious, thoughtful discussion.

Instead of discussing her observations of Bush and the policies of the US administration, Canada just discussed her antics.

Is that her failing or ours?

Haggis McBagpipe

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Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 19th, 2004

Quote: Originally Posted by vista

The thing with Parrish was her behaviour. It did not generate serious, thoughtful discussion.

Sometimes people respond to a hard-hitting comment that comes from the gut. Sometimes it is nice to hear someone in government voice what so many of us are feeling, and to hear it in full technicolour political incorrectness mode. It makes a person think that maybe the government isn't as completely disconnected as it sometimes seems.

Most of all though, the vast majority of Canadians are feeling the way the rest of the world feels right now, a sense of shock and dismay that Bush was actually re-elected. Parrish simply put it into public words and action.

Just the Facts

Free Thinker

#16

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

"Way to go Carolyn, I hope you get re-elected."

Which is exactly what she should do. If she has an ounce of integrity she'll resign and run in a by-election as an independent.

Just the Facts

Free Thinker

#17

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

What is her crime in the end? Calling George Bush names?

No, making a mockery of her team.

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What her crime really is, when all is said and done, is being honest and forthright and standing up for what she believes in and she thinks her constituents believe in.

Her crime is shooting at her own net. If you're a Walmart greeter person thingy who hates Walmart, you quit. You don't stand at the front door saying "Walmart sucks and I hope they go bankrupt".

Her crime is being childish and immature. Now that she's an independent, that's her right. Of course, she should run that by her constituents first. Right now, she really doesn't have a legitimate mandate.

Reverend Blair

#18

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Her mandate is perfectly legitimate. She has said that she's still a "small l" liberal. She wasn't an unknown quantity when she ran. She can now vote the way she wants. She's on CBC's The House right now and just said that she'll likely be voting with the Liberals 95% of the time. She was elected by her constituents and has every right to represent them until the next election.

If Martin loses the leadership, and he will likely do that sooner rather than later because of the massive split in the Liberal party, and somebody from the cetre-left of the party takes over, then you can expect Parrish to rejoin the party.

passpatoo

#19

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

I too like Parrish. While I personally would have preferred more thought out comments from an elected official, I think we have to face the fact that not everyone takes the time to listen to such discourse. Carolyn says what alot of Canadians are thinking. And she does it in a way that alot of Canadians understand, and favourable to our soundbite world.

Just the Facts

Free Thinker

#20

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

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Her mandate is perfectly legitimate.

She was elected as a liberal, not a "small L independent". She has no legal obligation, but ironically, at this point, George Bush has a more legitmate mandate than she does.

Reverend Blair

#21

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

She was elected. We don't vote for parties in this country, Just the Facts, we vote for candidates. Parrish ran as a centre-left liberal and won. When it became apparent that the Liberal Party had moved far to the right and wasn't going to allow her to present the views she felt, rightfully, that she had been elected to present, she rebelled against that party.

Who has more of a mandate? Parrish has been saying the same thing all along. Paul Martin ran from the left and is governing from the right.

Andem

Free Thinker

#22

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Agree and agree again with you Rev.

I'm sure there will be a huge split in the party, bigger than what we've seen, with Martin in power. I have no doubts Parrish will rejoin the liberal party soon enough. I have no problem with her speaking her mind as she did, everybody is frustrated with the American administrationa and we have a right to be. So does she.

IMHO, the "coalition" is the coalition of idiots.

For the record, she was only kicked out because she made comments about Martin. He can't handle dissent. It's the same with all right-wingers, if there's dissent, you crush it. (Yes, I did refer to Martin as a right-winger).

passpatoo

#23

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Not that it's any real suprise, but I found Harper's reaction to be rather amusing. For days (or weeks) now, he has been harping on Martin in question period to kick Parish out of caucus. And what did he do when Martin did kick her out. Harper harped on Martin for doing that. He plays the partisanship thing pretty close to the numbers this guy.

Reverend Blair

#24

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

I would have booted her out too, actually. She told the Liberal leader and the caucus to go to hell and she did it publicly.

I believe parties need some sembance of discipline though or they lose credibility. Paul Martin has said many times that he doesn't believe in that. Given his antics before he left the Chretien government, it seems a little hypocritical that he'd let Parrish go.

vista

#25

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

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She was elected. We don't vote for parties in this country, Just the Facts, we vote for candidates.

When did this change happen?

Few people know who their candidates are. We vote for either L or C or NDP.

Voter: You are with which party?

Diamond Sun

#26

RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Many people do vote for their candidate regardless of party. My brother is an example. He didn't like the liberal party, but really liked his local candidate, and so voted for her. Maybe he's a minority, but it does happen.

Numure

#27

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
Her mandate is perfectly legitimate.
She was elected as a liberal, not a "small L independent". She has no legal obligation, but ironically, at this point, George Bush has a more legitmate mandate than she does.

We do not vote for parties here. We vote for Candidates.

Numure

#28

Re: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Quote: Originally Posted by vista

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She was elected. We don't vote for parties in this country, Just the Facts, we vote for candidates.
When did this change happen?

Few people know who their candidates are. We vote for either L or C or NDP.

Voter: You are with which party?

Half the Québec population voted for Bloc Candidates knowing they won't be in power. The system, on paper, is voting for candidates, not parties. Though I do agree, the average voter goes for a party.

Just the Facts

Free Thinker

#29

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Parrish ran as a centre-left liberal and won.

Well then she'll have no trouble being re-elected. Then she'll be free to carry on her course without reproach.

Numure

#30

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Nov 20th, 2004

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
Parrish ran as a centre-left liberal and won.
Well then she'll have no trouble being re-elected. Then she'll be free to carry on her course without reproach.

She shouldnt have any reproach as she still has the same mandate to represent her voters. They voted for her, knowing how she was, not for the party.