Super Genius
Posts: 1,320 
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
April 4th, 2004, 10:15 AM
If you are interested in Canadian sovereignty check this out http://canadiansov.meetup.com/
If you are interested in Canadian sovereignty check this out http://canadiansov.meetup.com/
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
April 6th, 2004, 06:59 AM
Actually NAFTA, the proposed policies of Steven Harper, a lack of presence (military and otherwise) in our north, and concerns about culture seem to top the list.
Sovereignty is about far more than just keeping the country together, it is about keeping it a distinct nation in control of its own policies.
Actually NAFTA, the proposed policies of Steven Harper, a lack of presence (military and otherwise) in our north, and concerns about culture seem to top the list.
Sovereignty is about far more than just keeping the country together, it is about keeping it a distinct nation in control of its own policies.
April 7th, 2004, 11:00 PM
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Very well said reverend blair! I couldn't agree more with that statement.
Actually NAFTA, the proposed policies of Steven Harper, a lack of presence (military and otherwise) in our north, and concerns about culture seem to top the list.
Sovereignty is about far more than just keeping the country together, it is about keeping it a distinct nation in control of its own policies.
Sovereignty is about far more than just keeping the country together, it is about keeping it a distinct nation in control of its own policies.
Member
Posts: 234
Location: BC
Location: BC
April 10th, 2004, 11:44 PM
The people of Quebec worried about their position within Canada more than anybody should worry about Canadian sovereignty on the whole.
As Canada becomes more under the thumb of America - Quebec will be further isolated.
Would Quebec remain a distinct society if Canada is swallowed up?
The people of Quebec worried about their position within Canada more than anybody should worry about Canadian sovereignty on the whole.
As Canada becomes more under the thumb of America - Quebec will be further isolated.
Would Quebec remain a distinct society if Canada is swallowed up?
April 11th, 2004, 08:29 PM
Having lived in Québec, I have to say that I believe the culture in that province could survive a lot.
I think the people of Québec would not allow what happened to cajun happen to Quebecois. They have such a strong history and a strong identity as Quebecois. They would definately, IMHO, survive as a distinct North American culture.
Having lived in Québec, I have to say that I believe the culture in that province could survive a lot.
I think the people of Québec would not allow what happened to cajun happen to Quebecois. They have such a strong history and a strong identity as Quebecois. They would definately, IMHO, survive as a distinct North American culture.
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April 12th, 2004, 09:14 AM
I suspect their quebecois would survive too. Unfortunately it is only understood by themselves and while the language may survive, the restrictive laws against english usuage would continue to isolate them. They really should get with the program imo.
Thanks for the welcome Andem.
I suspect their quebecois would survive too. Unfortunately it is only understood by themselves and while the language may survive, the restrictive laws against english usuage would continue to isolate them. They really should get with the program imo.
Thanks for the welcome Andem.
April 15th, 2004, 02:02 PM
As I was saying.. Quebecois are a very enduring and strongly reinforced culture. Each of them will fight until death to preserve their lifestyle and culture.
On another note, I can see a further integration of Canada into the United States (as has been happening for decades). But I can't see Canadians allowing total control of their country.
One example I would refer to is Hawaii's seperation spirit. Most Hawaiians do not consider themselves American and fly their own flag when possible; instead of the American flag.
America will eventually fall, and after that point, I'm betting we'll see Canada finally goes on it's own path. (sounds like wishful thinking right now, but I can see America collapsing soon).
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No problem, always welcome
I suspect their quebecois would survive too. Unfortunately it is only understood by themselves and while the language may survive, the restrictive laws against english usuage would continue to isolate them. They really should get with the program imo.
Thanks for the welcome Andem.
Thanks for the welcome Andem.
As I was saying.. Quebecois are a very enduring and strongly reinforced culture. Each of them will fight until death to preserve their lifestyle and culture.
On another note, I can see a further integration of Canada into the United States (as has been happening for decades). But I can't see Canadians allowing total control of their country.
One example I would refer to is Hawaii's seperation spirit. Most Hawaiians do not consider themselves American and fly their own flag when possible; instead of the American flag.
America will eventually fall, and after that point, I'm betting we'll see Canada finally goes on it's own path. (sounds like wishful thinking right now, but I can see America collapsing soon).
Super Genius
Posts: 1,065
Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
April 30th, 2004, 01:40 AM
As a Québécois, I can possitivly say our culture will never die. Not with the laws we have protecting it. While you see does laws as "english repressing". To us, its mearly protecting ourselves. Go back 40 years, Québec was quite different. Everything was in english. Thanks to the laws the PQ put in place in the 80's, today I enjoy my life in french. Where I never use english, yet im perfectly bilingual.
I recommend you listen to this clip, she gives a global prospective of why bill 101 was voted in.
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-101-...r_crisis/clip4
As a Québécois, I can possitivly say our culture will never die. Not with the laws we have protecting it. While you see does laws as "english repressing". To us, its mearly protecting ourselves. Go back 40 years, Québec was quite different. Everything was in english. Thanks to the laws the PQ put in place in the 80's, today I enjoy my life in french. Where I never use english, yet im perfectly bilingual.
I recommend you listen to this clip, she gives a global prospective of why bill 101 was voted in.
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-101-...r_crisis/clip4
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
April 30th, 2004, 06:14 AM
I'm afraid I don't agree with any law that limits free speech, short of hate crimes of course.
I think that Quebec could well afford to drop bill 101 now in any case. It has served its purpose and Quebec culture, from the little I've seen of it, is rich and strong enough to survive the onslaught from the rest of North America as long as they retain political control over Quebec.
I'm afraid I don't agree with any law that limits free speech, short of hate crimes of course.
I think that Quebec could well afford to drop bill 101 now in any case. It has served its purpose and Quebec culture, from the little I've seen of it, is rich and strong enough to survive the onslaught from the rest of North America as long as they retain political control over Quebec.
April 30th, 2004, 10:09 AM
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I have to agree with Numure. It is there to protect a culture, even though there are some drawbacks. I think it's a shame English or any other language would have to be half the size of a French sign. Somethings just have to be. Québécois don't seem to mind, and they are the majority.
As a Québécois, I can possitivly say our culture will never die. Not with the laws we have protecting it. While you see does laws as "english repressing". To us, its mearly protecting ourselves. Go back 40 years, Québec was quite different. Everything was in english. Thanks to the laws the PQ put in place in the 80's, today I enjoy my life in french. Where I never use english, yet im perfectly bilingual.
I recommend you listen to this clip, she gives a global prospective of why bill 101 was voted in.
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-101-...r_crisis/clip4
I recommend you listen to this clip, she gives a global prospective of why bill 101 was voted in.
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-101-...r_crisis/clip4
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
April 30th, 2004, 06:59 PM
I worry more about the damage it does outside of Quebec. It fuels the rednecks.
I had a guy from Ottawa tell me not to long ago that the French language college at the University of Regina was a result of Quebec language law and federal bilingualism.
He's never been to Regina (I personally doubt he's driven to Hull either) and it was pretty obvious that he had no idea that the college was there to represent French-speaking people of Saskatchewan and ensure them an education that could take them and the province into the future.
When I pressed him on it, I got the standard, "Quebec has that sign law," answer.
Personally I don't care what language people speak. I wish I could speak more than one, other than being able to curse in Cree. I worry more about the loss of regional dialects and languages world-wide than I do about Canada in particular.
I'm just not sure that Quebec is doing itself, or other French-speaking people in Canada, any favours with their law. It limits free speech and gives those who base everything on which language is spoken instead of which ideas are spoken a lever.
I worry more about the damage it does outside of Quebec. It fuels the rednecks.
I had a guy from Ottawa tell me not to long ago that the French language college at the University of Regina was a result of Quebec language law and federal bilingualism.
He's never been to Regina (I personally doubt he's driven to Hull either) and it was pretty obvious that he had no idea that the college was there to represent French-speaking people of Saskatchewan and ensure them an education that could take them and the province into the future.
When I pressed him on it, I got the standard, "Quebec has that sign law," answer.
Personally I don't care what language people speak. I wish I could speak more than one, other than being able to curse in Cree. I worry more about the loss of regional dialects and languages world-wide than I do about Canada in particular.
I'm just not sure that Quebec is doing itself, or other French-speaking people in Canada, any favours with their law. It limits free speech and gives those who base everything on which language is spoken instead of which ideas are spoken a lever.
