Is There Anything Left That Matters?

Stretch

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June 7, 2003
Is There Anything Left That Matters?
By Joan Chittister, OSB

This is what I don't understand: All of a sudden nothing seems to matter.

First, they said they wanted Bin Laden "dead or alive." But they didn't get him. So now they tell us that it doesn't matter. Our mission is greater than one man.

Then they said they wanted Saddam Hussein, "dead or alive." He's apparently alive but we haven't got him yet, either. However, President Bush told reporters recently, "It doesn't matter. Our mission is greater than one man."

Finally, they told us that we were invading Iraq to destroy their weapons of mass destruction. Now they say those weapons probably don't exist. Maybe never existed. Apparently that doesn't matter either.

Except that it does matter.

I know we're not supposed to say that. I know it's called "unpatriotic." But it's also called honesty. And dishonesty matters.

It matters that the infrastructure of a foreign nation that couldn't defend itself against us has been destroyed on the grounds that it was a military threat to the world.

It matters that it was destroyed by us under a new doctrine of "pre-emptive war" when there was apparently nothing worth pre-empting.

It surely matters to the families here whose sons went to war to make the world safe from weapons of mass destruction and will never come home.

It matters to families in the United States whose life support programs were ended, whose medical insurance ran out, whose food stamps were cut off, whose day care programs were eliminated so we could spend the money on sending an army to do what did not need to be done.

It matters to the Iraqi girl whose face was burned by a lamp that toppled over as a result of a U.S. bombing run.

It matters to Ali, the Iraqi boy who lost his family - and both his arms - in a U.S. air attack.

It matters to the people in Baghdad whose water supply is now fetid, whose electricity is gone, whose streets are unsafe, whose 158 government ministries' buildings and all their records have been destroyed, whose cultural heritage and social system has been looted and whose cities teem with anti-American protests.

It matters that the people we say we "liberated" do not feel liberated in the midst of the lawlessness, destruction and wholesale social suffering that so-called liberation created.

It matters to the United Nations whose integrity was impugned, whose authority was denied, whose inspection teams are even now still being overlooked in the process of technical evaluation and disarmament.

It matters to the reputation of the United States in the eyes of the world, both now and for decades to come, perhaps.

And surely it matters to the integrity of this nation whether or not its intelligence gathering agencies have any real intelligence or not before we launch a military armada on its say-so.

And it should matter whether or not our government is either incompetent and didn't know what they were doing or were dishonest and refused to say.

The unspoken truth is that either as a people we were misled, or we were lied to, about the real reason for this war. Either we made a huge - and unforgivable - mistake, an arrogant or ignorant mistake, or we are swaggering around the world like a blind giant, flailing in all directions while the rest of the world watches in horror or in ridicule.

If Bill Clinton's definition of "is" matters, surely this matters. If a president's sex life matters, surely a president's use of global force against some of the weakest people in the world matters. If a president's word in a court of law about a private indiscretion matters, surely a president's word to the community of nations and the security of millions of people matters.

And if not, why not? If not, surely there is something as wrong with us as citizens, as thinkers, as Christians as there must be with some facet of the government. If wars that the public says are wrong yesterday - as over 70% of U.S. citizens did before the attack on Iraq - suddenly become "right" the minute the first bombs drop, what kind of national morality is that?

Of what are we really capable as a nation if the considered judgment of politicians and people around the world means nothing to us as a people?

What is the depth of the American soul if we can allow destruction to be done in our name and the name of "liberation" and never even demand an accounting of its costs, both personal and public, when it is over?

We like to take comfort in the notion that people make a distinction between our government and ourselves. We like to say that the people of the world love Americans, they simply mistrust our government. But excoriating a distant and anonymous "government" for wreaking rubble on a nation in pretense of good requires very little of either character or intelligence.
What may count most, however, is that we may well be the ones Proverbs warns when it reminds us: "Kings take pleasure in honest lips; they value the one who speaks the truth." The point is clear: If the people speak and the king doesn't listen, there is something wrong with the king. If the king acts precipitously and the people say nothing, something is wrong with the people.

It may be time for us to realize that in a country that prides itself on being democratic, we are our government. And the rest of the world is figuring that out very quickly.

From where I stand, that matters.
 

Shmad

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It matters to all the people in the world who knew the war was unjust, without cause and completely illegal.

They will get away with it in the midterm, but they will pay for their actions. I loved how they ridiculed Canada for not getting involved, but at least our government thinks about things before acting... sometimes..

To all the people who supported the war, shame on you
 
Just a point to add...

It is easy to point fingers AFTER events. Many people who ridiculed canada did indeed believe the lies (that likely, but may not have been) spread by the governement at large.

It is at times like this, when faced with how to act in light of our vindication or in face of our misteps, that prove our character as human beings. And going with "neenerneenerneener" doesn't do much to breach gaps in relations.

Oh...has the US government actually ended its hunt for WoMD or are there just alot of people who have made up an internet timeline for how long it takes to search a nation for a weapon the size of a motorcycle? Just curious.
 

czardogs

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Remember the words used by Bush and Blair?

"immenant threat" "TONS of anthrax" "seeking nukes" "45 to launch" "baghdad redline" "mobile labs"

The world was told that the inspectors had no time to find these tons of weapons that were going to be unleashed on the masses unless america attacked RIGHT NOW! They ignored the world and as hindsight is showing - common sense and the truth.

Its not the first lie America created to attack Iraq. Remember those 'incubator babies'? Going back further - Gulf of Tonkin?

America now has zero credibility in the world. They had better find tons of weapons and shells and the equipment to make more and quickly or the world is going to turn on them even more.

The pro-war crowd backed a chickenhawk war dodger ex-drunk of a man. The same man that has bankrupted companies, surrounded himself with religous fanatics and chickenhawks and also took glee in executing children.

That is more then excuse enough to say we told you so sheeple. Stop grazing on the propoganda of death for a few minutes and the truth will reveal itself.
 
Someone pointed out to me yesterday...

"If you allow someone to act under the pretenses of a lie, knowing or believing it to be a lie, you have little right to be upset when you find out you were lied to."

While I don't fully agree with that, I think that is why Mr. Bush will get away with it. Everyone with half a brain knew WHY we went to war. And those folks who believed the propaganda will believe the cover story.

Told you so is fine and dandy...-I- never said we should be in Iraq. :p
 

czardogs

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WulF-Krigan said:
Someone pointed out to me yesterday...

"If you allow someone to act under the pretenses of a lie, knowing or believing it to be a lie, you have little right to be upset when you find out you were lied to."

While I don't fully agree with that, I think that is why Mr. Bush will get away with it. Everyone with half a brain knew WHY we went to war. And those folks who believed the propaganda will believe the cover story.

Told you so is fine and dandy...-I- never said we should be in Iraq. :p

Time will tell on the fate of Bush. ON the other hand Blair looks like his days are numbered. Rightfully so in this opinionated Canadians view.
 
Heh. Though I do give proper due to Blair. He's standing up for his choices and argueing for himself.

Bush hasn't said shit. And that kinda pisses me off. If you want to be a leader...then you have to lead. Sitting and waiting to see what direction public opinion drags you is idiocy.

Tony Blair may not have made the best descion, but he's argueing and speaking for himself and I respect that, if nothing else.
 
Well, time will tell in this all. I mean, after all, maybe...not likely...but maybe Saddam escaped ON his chemical weapons trucks.

History is what will judge the actions of these men, and while we can throw our opinions out there. It will be interesting to see how the picture is painted.

After all, history is writen by the conquerers with the blood of thier victims...or is that changing?
 

czardogs

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WulF-Krigan said:
Well, time will tell in this all. I mean, after all, maybe...not likely...but maybe Saddam escaped ON his chemical weapons trucks.

History is what will judge the actions of these men, and while we can throw our opinions out there. It will be interesting to see how the picture is painted.

After all, history is writen by the conquerers with the blood of thier victims...or is that changing?

That is changing as the world has more access to information. This whole weapons thing is a great example. America is being shown in its lies and if they dont provide proof soon that message will fly around the globe. No longer can governments just do what they want and tell their people anything they wish without fear of being found out.

Information flies fast and furious these days.
 
Splelig is goood fer 1337 5p34|<3r5.

Have whatever political views you want. Say whatever you want.

But honestly, when you misspell (sp) and leet speak you don't do anything to bolster credibility for your cause.

"Ah mean, pa fer chripse sake I shuldn'a be kep' frem hoompin' my own sis'a if'na wanna!"

Or

"The merits of incest have long been shown to be limited to the interpersonal relationships and personal gratification of the individuals involved. Beyond this it exends no merit to society. But the true question is, should we all have to act in a manner that provides society with merit? After all, society is a subjective term...what is 'healthy' for 1940's german society would be deemed as unhealthy by the Reich."

Which arguement holds more merit? (And no, I am not pro-incest...simply making a point.)