'Freedom and liberty' demonstration outnumbered by 'anti-fascist' demonstrators

[mentalfloss]

Good.

Free speech is a loaded term and is being used to excuse racism.


'Freedom and liberty' demonstration outnumbered by 'anti-fascist' demonstrators

Outside of Hamilton city hall, people with bitterly opposing views about freedom and globalization gathered in the cold for some heated confrontations.

Originally, there was meant to be a demonstration and a counter-protest around midday on Saturday outside of city hall. But as it turned out, the counter-protesters far outnumbered anyone who expressed the views of the original demonstration.

A group called the Canadian Coalition of Concerned Citizens had planned demonstrations across Canada on Saturday, including one in Hamilton. This group says they are worried about things like the encroachment of Shariah law in Canadian society, and globalization in general.

They are strongly opposed to the controversial M-103, the motion tabled by Mississauga—Erin Mills Liberal MP Iqra Khalid back in December. M-103 aims to condemn and combat Islamophobia, acts of discrimination and hate against Muslims.

But critics say its reach is too broad.

Accordingly, people who came out in support of the original protest are concerned about what they see as the erosion of free speech rights in Canada.

In response to the planned demonstrations, a group called Hamilton Against Fascists, as well as other groups sharing their ideology, organized a counter-demonstration to protest what they see as fascism and Islamophobia inherent in the Concerned Citizens' agenda. Similar protests and counter-protests occurred across the country on Saturday.

'Freedom and liberty' demonstration outnumbered by 'anti-fascist' demonstrators - Hamilton - CBC News

 

[Hoof Hearted]

So the a$$holes got out-a$$holed.

Go figure...

 

[Remington1]

Both groups have valid issues and should both be heard. Freedom is a serious issue.

 

[damngrumpy]

Fascists have no valid issues we fought a world war to get rid of what
we are becoming hell bent to support. Ultra conservatism is a fascist
concept and is worse if not just as bad as socialism in its present form.
Some think the Nazi Movement was left wing because is listed as
National Socialism. Well its right wing communism is the ultimate left
wing series of crazies.
Bannen is an extreme right winger and that can't be papered over.

 

[Jinentonix]

Fascists have no valid issues we fought a world war to get rid of what
we are becoming hell bent to support. Ultra conservatism is a fascist
concept and is worse if not just as bad as socialism in its present form.
Some think the Nazi Movement was left wing because is listed as
National Socialism. Well its right wing communism is the ultimate left
wing series of crazies.
Bannen is an extreme right winger and that can't be papered over.

Sharia creep IS fascism. Without a clear definition of Islamophobia, what would actually constitute a "hate crime" against them? If you're a Muslim and you're offended by what someone publicly says about the Islamic religion that's not only factually correct but really f*cking inconvenient to the narrative, is that a "hate crime"? What if pop-culture treated Islam and Muslims the way they treat Christians and Jews? Would that be a hate crime?
What would your reaction be if right-wing Christians decided that any act against them was a hate crime and tried pushing through special legislation to protect them (and only them)?
We also already have judicial precedent in this country regarding what constitutes a hate crime and it involves the offender being part of or a regular contributor to racist groups/web sites. If the offender isn't part of that type of group, then it isn't a hate crime.

And what about the definite probability of sectarian violence? Will Muslim on Muslim crime be considered a hate crime if one is Sunni and the other is Shia?

The major difference between the fascism of yesteryear and what you perceive to be fascism today is when it came to the Jews, there was no distinction made as to whether they were observant, practicing Jews or simply those who were ethnically Jewish but not necessarily Hebrew. It was an ethnic cleansing.

Aside from the idiots, most of those who have a problem with Islam don't have a problem with non-Muslim people from the Middle East. Nobody is protesting against non-Muslim Arabs and Persians. And Nobody is suggesting we load Muslims up on railroad cars and ship 'em to camps. All we're really saying is being Muslim doesn't make you any more f*cking special than anyone else. Islam is just as big a joke as Christianity or Judaism or Sikhism or Hinduism or any of the other stupid "isms" that involve worshiping non-existent beings.
Believe what you want. Pray to Kthulu or the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care. But the moment you try to force me to take your beliefs seriously, I've got a big ol' "go and royally f*ck yourself" sitting on the bench just for you, rarin' to go.
If that's fascism, then they've really watered down the definition. Then again, neo-liberal progtards have really watered down the definitions of quite a few words.

Good.

Free speech is a loaded term and is being used to excuse racism.

Muslims aren't a race. Islam is an ideology, not an ethnicity.

 

[Locutus]

this Murray dude sounds a lot like our very own mentalfloss.


We Don't Know What He Said, But He Definitely Can't Say It

By David Thompson on March 5, 2017 3:38 AM | No Comments

More progressive intellectualism at Middlebury College, where female staff get assaulted by students wearing masks, and elderly scholars get chased off campus.

Lifted from the comments, more progressive intellectualism at Middlebury College, where female staff get assaulted by students wearing masks, and elderly scholars get chased off campus:


College public safety officers managed to get Professor Allison Stanger and Charles Murray into the administrator’s car. “The protestors then violently set upon the car, rocking it, pounding on it, jumping on and trying to prevent it from leaving campus,” said Bill Burger, the college’s vice president for communications and marketing. “At one point a large traffic sign was thrown in front of the car. Public Safety officers were able, finally, to clear the way to allow the vehicle to leave campus,” said Burger. “During this confrontation, one of the demonstrators pulled Professor Stanger’s hair and twisted her neck,” Burger continued. “She was attended to at Porter Hospital later and is wearing a neck brace.”

Note that the rather animated protestors don’t seem too familiar with Dr Murray’s research and commentary, and as one of Middlebury’s sociology professors noted, “few, if any” of the protestors had ever read Murray’s books. Evidently, he’s nonetheless someone to be ‘othered’ and to whom the students can attach the usual out-group labels – denouncing him as “sexist,” “racist,” “anti-gay” and a “white nationalist.” (As even the briefest use of Google would reveal, Murray married a Thai woman while in the Peace Corps, has mixed-race children and was an early advocate of gay marriage - hardly the most obvious markers of a supposedly anti-gay white nationalist.)

Regular readers will no doubt register the irony that, if you wanted to witness some overt racial zealotry, you’d be much more likely to find it among supposedly ‘progressive’ students – say, the ones assaulting their peers or obstructing their path and making them walk through mud for the sin of being white, or grabbing women’s hair and yanking really hard.

I see no reason to suppose that the mob delinquency illustrated above, examples of which seem to be escalating in frequency and vehemence, will spontaneously improve or cease to be fashionable without some quite significant external pressure. Those directly responsible, and their faculty cheerleaders, show no sign of becoming ashamed any time soon. If their behaviour and assumptions are to change, I suspect it will have to cost them, dearly. And whether there are arrests and/or expulsions following this latest thuggish farce will tell us quite a bit about academia’s ongoing decay.

davidthompson: Turf War

More Campus Violence: Where Are The Cops? | Power Line

https://middleburycampus.com/articl...event-charles-murray-from-delivering-lecture/



how do you feel about this cuck?

 

[White_Unifier]

Good.

Free speech is a loaded term and is being used to excuse racism.


'Freedom and liberty' demonstration outnumbered by 'anti-fascist' demonstrators

Outside of Hamilton city hall, people with bitterly opposing views about freedom and globalization gathered in the cold for some heated confrontations.

Originally, there was meant to be a demonstration and a counter-protest around midday on Saturday outside of city hall. But as it turned out, the counter-protesters far outnumbered anyone who expressed the views of the original demonstration.

A group called the Canadian Coalition of Concerned Citizens had planned demonstrations across Canada on Saturday, including one in Hamilton. This group says they are worried about things like the encroachment of Shariah law in Canadian society, and globalization in general.

They are strongly opposed to the controversial M-103, the motion tabled by Mississauga—Erin Mills Liberal MP Iqra Khalid back in December. M-103 aims to condemn and combat Islamophobia, acts of discrimination and hate against Muslims.

But critics say its reach is too broad.

Accordingly, people who came out in support of the original protest are concerned about what they see as the erosion of free speech rights in Canada.

In response to the planned demonstrations, a group called Hamilton Against Fascists, as well as other groups sharing their ideology, organized a counter-demonstration to protest what they see as fascism and Islamophobia inherent in the Concerned Citizens' agenda. Similar protests and counter-protests occurred across the country on Saturday.

'Freedom and liberty' demonstration outnumbered by 'anti-fascist' demonstrators - Hamilton - CBC News

M 103's reach is not too broad, but the wording should be religiously neutral.

 

[Danbones]

Thank god it's provable to one who looks, that all three monotheistic religions are complete bunk.
...and so is the high falutin attitude each of them has towards "others".
All three of these religions revolve around the demonization of everyone else, but in the end are just as kucky as jamestown ever was. and worse- they inflict their INSANITY on the world around them

 

[mentalfloss]

M 103's reach is not too broad, but the wording should be religiously neutral.

No one would be paying attention to it, so no, it should not be neutral.

 

[DaSleeper]

Huh Huh!

 

[mentalfloss]

 

[White_Unifier]

No one would be paying attention to it, so no, it should not be neutral.

So we should single out one group in the wording of the motion just to provoke people? I'll bite my tongue at what I want to say to that.

I agree that many ignorant hold unfounded prejudiced against Islam. But such prejudice is not unique to Muslims. Jews, Christians, and others face it too.

 

[mentalfloss]

They're provoking themselves.

 

[White_Unifier]

Huh Huh!

Most Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an too. The Qu'an condones none of this.

 

[DaSleeper]

Most Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an too. The Qu'an condones none of this.

That means you haven't read it!

@ Flossy....

 

[White_Unifier]

They're provoking themselves.

Let's look at it this way. I support this law in principle. Though I do not profess Islam, I still believe the Qur'an to be sacred writing, si one would think I'd be among the strongest supporters if this law. Yet even I oppose singling out a religion, any religion, in an official motion.

So if it provokes even me to oppose in its current wording, just imagine how many others will, many for the wrong reasons.

And to call us racists for opposing it makes things worse by equating support for religiously-neutral wording with racism. If forced to link the two that way, those if us who support neutral wording are thus forced to embrace the racist epithet as I have.

That means you haven't read it!

@ Flossy....

I've read different versions many times, sometimes taking copious notes on it.

 

[mentalfloss]

It will pass and the hullabaloo from white people will be forgotten or laughed at.

Either way, it's going to help Canadians understand today's social dynamics.

 

[White_Unifier]

It will pass and the hullabaloo from white people will be forgotten or laughed at.

Either way, it's going to help Canadians understand today's social dynamics.

I'm White and believe the Qu'an to be among the words of God. Are you saying Whites can't believe in the Qur'an or that only darker-skinned people can believe in it?

And could you please explain these 'social dynamics?'

I don't deny the prevalence of Islamophobia and that we need tougher laws against it. But the motion should still be neutrally-worded as the Conservative counter-motion tried to do.

Islam is not the unique victim of religious prejudice. All religions face it to varying degrees.

 

[DaSleeper]

I'm White and believe the Qu'an to be among the words of God. Are you saying Whites can't believe in the Qur'an or that only darker-skinned people can believe in it?

Flossy has just been anti-Christian since he's been in this forum....

 

[mentalfloss]

Flossy has just been anti-Christian since he's been in this forum....

Nah.