Trickle of Illegal Immigrants into Canada Could Become Deluge in the Spring


darkbeaver
Republican
#61
The miny iceage will eliminate many of them, the rest can be cought in spring traps and escorted to the border and unloaded.
 
Murphy
Conservative
+1
#62
Well, that's one man's opinion, CC. His take is that Cdns believe there are too many immigrants coming. Is he saying that only his opinion is correct? A far as I'm concerned, all Canadians have an opinion. My opinions is, you'd better have a damn good reason for coming. Not liking Trump doesn't cut it. And I think that an illegal alien's opinion of Trump or their interpretation of US government policy isn't going to hold up in front of a tribunal.

I am sure that the odd person might have a legitimate claim, but IMO, going through the US to Canada tells me that they wanted to go to the US first, but changed their minds. Not good enough IMV.
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darkbeaver
Republican
+1
#63
They belong in thier natural habitat. A unique evolutionary anomoly. times up for uncle sam and the beavers. Things will be different.nEXT YEAR IN jERUSELAM.
 
Locutus
#64
>call a cab
>drive 6 'refugees' to the border
>cue tv cameras
>cue rcmp
>dramatic story
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+2
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

Well, that's one man's opinion, CC. His take is that Cdns believe there are too many immigrants coming. Is he saying that only his opinion is correct? A far as I'm concerned, Canadians all have an opinion. My opinions is, you's better have a damn good reason for coming. Not liking Trump doesn't cut it. And I think that an illegal alien's opinion of Trump or their interpretation of US government policy isn't going to hold up in front if a tribunal.

I am sure that the odd person might have a legitimate claim, but IMO, going through the US to Canada tells me that they wanted to go to the US first, but changed their minds. Not good enough IMV.

Some Canadian opinion is being molded by whacko crazy nihilists south of our border. Perhaps, we should be listening to each other, more and not the alt-right freak show that is trying to weasel it's way into Canadian politics, as well as.
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Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

There it is.


The trickle of refugees fleeing the U.S. to Canada could become a deluge in the spring

www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...=.6865c8df8e33 (external - login to view)

ENJOY!

Eaglecrack . A true American in the tradition of the New Collosus.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+2
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

Eaglecrack . A true American in the tradition of the New Collosus.

Eaglecrack . A true American in the tradition of Jethro Bodine.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+2
#68
Quote: Originally Posted by MokkajavaView Post

I have to strongly disagree...
First of all, we are discussing people who are new immigrants... from the US... in recent weeks... they haven't been given a chance to do anything yet so your point is mute.
Secondly... I just said in another thread made about the same topic which we seem to have a lot of whiners on here about... I daily come across numerous immigrants to our country that are working and contributing. Maybe if you got out more you would see that

YOU GO GIRL!

Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

I'm wondering when the trouble is going to start. Either illegal aliens getting into trouble while waiting for the legal process to run its course...or citizens reacting to the illegals showing up. Both will happen.How far will things go?

Pure supposition.

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I am in agreement with having processing centres near the border - complete with a bus parking lots - to arrest illegal aliens when they cross, and drive them back to a detention centre in the US. Being fearful of a US president isn't going to hold up in court. The US is not a belligerent nation.

Okay, now we know how you would deal with them...........but then again, thank heavens, you aren't in charge.

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The problem is, some of these people will 'disappear' once they are released from Canadian custody. That virtually destroys their chances of being allowed to remain here, but in the meantime, we have persons of questionable status running around loose. They will have to be found and that costs money.

More pure supposition.

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ATCO trailers can be rented and those legitimately waiting for their hearing can remain in detainment camps. The rest get loaded on buses and sent back to the US. There has to be a measure of control exercised by the government. And for those that would compare this to WWII internment camps, remember this is 2017. They will probably eat better than you.

That'll be the day you'll see 'camp's opening in Canada - and that's a good thing.

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It is not safe for these persons to be running loose.

These persons are not running loose, they are practically throwing themselves into the arms of border security and the RCMP.

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Language, legal, and social problems will arise which will only cause more troubles, increased costs and possible injury or death to these illegals and Canadian citizens.

And yet more...........pure supposition. Man, Murph...........you excel at this.

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The government can prevent 99% of this by containing the people crossing illegally and returning them quickly to the US authorities.

Containing them, eh............just like your camp idea, Murph..........ain't gonna happen.


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The only problem with my suggestion is that we are talking about the federal government. If there is a way to mess things up, they will find it quickly.

The only problem with your suggestion is that it is against our laws and agreements as they stand now - get over it.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Quiet that down!


People... People... Ignore Durry... these US Refugees will make fine Canadians. They will assimilate into Canadian culture with ease because you're very nice and polite. Soon they will all own businesses, speak French and English, play Hockey, and love Maple Syrup and Poutine.

You know what, Eagle..............you are absolutely right. They will become an integrated part of our society if they succeed in their application process. They will take up our sports. They will find jobs or start businesses of their own and contribute to the economy. Their kids will go to school with other Canadians and they will learn from each other.



A Syrian refugee who lost his leg before coming to Canada last fall with his family has developed a passion for a Canadian sport.

Omar Al Ziab, 15, was walking home from school in 2011 when a military vehicle ran him over, crushing his right leg and leaving his other leg badly injured.

In November of last year, he received a prosthetic leg just weeks after arriving in Canada. Now just nine months later, he's making new strides – on the ice.

'How Canadian is that?' Syrian refugee learns to play sledge hockey - Manitoba - CBC News

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

If they're in Canada and go through ANY process... they're Canadian. Don't try and drive a bus load back now heah!

Uh..........no, no they won't be, Eagle. In order to become Canadians they would have to go through the Canadian citizenship process and that is an entirely different matter than being processed at the border or allowed a refugee hearing.

Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

Stats show that our jails are housing 7% Muslims. Canada is made up of about 5% muslims, so if our jails were proportionally represented, our jails would only be made up of 5% Muslims.

Better get your stats straight idiot eh

Perhaps you would be good enough to post references for those stats, Durry - or are we supposed to trust that you didn't just pull them out of your bum.

Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

It would also get the word out not to bother with entering the US and dashing to the CDN border. We may have a problem with illegal Mexicans doing this in the near future.

Oh good grief, what is it with you, Murph............now it's the Mexicans? Then I suppose it will be the Mayans and then the countries of Central America will empty and millions will be stampeding across the borders in a headlong rush to Canada. Get a grip, man.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

The vigor in which the US Border Patrol Agent tried to stop him from crossing into Canada is so telling.

One might hope he is not an example of the vigor displayed at your Southern border, Eagle..........then again it would explain a lot, wouldn't it.
 
Murphy
Conservative
#69
Suppositions are beliefs or conjecture. What I wrote is what I'm concerned will happen. Words like 'I believe' or 'I wonder' mean that I do not know, but I am concerned that these things may happen.

So I will ask you; do you know, beyond any doubt, that there will be no trouble? I am concerned that once they are released from their arrest at the border that some will simply run away or wind up in trouble. The trouble doesn't have to be of their doing.

Had you read another post made by gerryh, you would have discovered that Canada is responsible for their hearings and possible deportations. They will not be shipped to the US. My post about the buses at the border was made before this fact (and link) was posted. I admitted my misunderstanding on the next post (Edited to add #51). When this was made clear, I wondered, after they are released from being arrested, will they appear for their hearings? They don't all rent a motel beside the courthouse. It would be nice to get assurances that they will all be looked after until the day arrives that their hearing is held.

Again, you misunderstand the difference between saying something WILL happen, versus the concern that it MIGHT happen. Judges are concerned about this when people who are arrested stand before them in court. They decide whether someone who was arrested is a flight risk and either deny bail or set a bail amount. It is to ensure that the person returns for trial. It's not 100%, but it is part of the legal process. So I am not allowed to be concerned, but a judge is?

You stated that camps won't happen. You don't know that. As I said somewhere else in this, or the parallel thread, we are not talking about internment camps from WWII. I said processing centres. We are talking about comfortable temporary quarters. No forced labour, beatings or barbed wire.

I don't have to get over anything. You have put words in my mouth by misrepresenting what I said. My concerns are real and I am allowed to have them. I would like assurances from the feds that things will be handled in an orderly, swift fashion.

If anyone has to get a grip, it's you.
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Mowich
Conservative
+1
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

The word 'illegal' says it all. 'Illegal' means against the law. Why are we welcoming people who break the law even as they enter the country? Our laws don't mean jack sxxt!.

I've known fence posts that were brighter than you, DM..........ah, sorry about that. I let my temper get the best of me there for a moment. I'm fine now........ sigh.....deep breath...

You know what, instead of railing against the system here on the forum, why don't you contact your MLA and MP and let them know how you feel about Canadian laws. At least then you'd be doing something constructive.

Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

A refugee flood? Pull yourself together, Canada

A refugee flood? Pull yourself together, Canada (external - login to view)

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

"Everyone needs to take a deep breath and accept there is nothing we can do to stop any asylum seekers from walking into Canada, Samsonite in hand. We aren’t building a wall, or even a fence. Our armed forces don’t even have enough drones to take a group selfie on the parade ground, let alone patrol over 8,000 kilometres of frontier. Hell, even if every single Canadian stood on the border and locked arms, from White Rock to Saint Andrews, and yelled “Red Rover! Red Rover! We call Kamal over!”, they’d still run right through us.


We have to accept that this is simply something we cannot change. We can’t stop Trump from scaring the beejeezus out of people, and we can’t stop many of those people from coming north."


Amen to that brother.

Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

Well, that's one man's opinion, CC. His take is that Cdns believe there are too many immigrants coming. Is he saying that only his opinion is correct? A far as I'm concerned, all Canadians have an opinion. My opinions is, you'd better have a damn good reason for coming. Not liking Trump doesn't cut it. And I think that an illegal alien's opinion of Trump or their interpretation of US government policy isn't going to hold up in front of a tribunal.

I am sure that the odd person might have a legitimate claim, but IMO, going through the US to Canada tells me that they wanted to go to the US first, but changed their minds. Not good enough IMV.

Finally, we can agree on something, Murph. Dislike of Trump doesn't make one a political refugee and is not a valid reason for acceptance into Canada.
 
Murphy
Conservative
#71
Read my other post while you're at it.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+2
#72
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

Some Canadian opinion is being molded by whacko crazy nihilists south of our border. Perhaps, we should be listening to each other, more and not the alt-right freak show that is trying to weasel it's way into Canadian politics, as well as.

The trouble is that we are bombarded with news from that alt-right freak show at every turn, CC.

Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

Suppositions are beliefs or conjecture. What I wrote is what I'm concerned will happen. Words like 'I believe' or 'I wonder' mean that I do not know, but I am concerned that these things may happen.
So I will ask you; do you know, beyond any doubt, that there will be no trouble? I am concerned that once they are released from their arrest at the border that some will simply run away or wind up in trouble. The trouble doesn't have to be of their doing.
Had you read another post made by gerryh, you would have discovered that Canada is responsible for their hearings and possible deportations. They will not be shipped to the US. My post about the buses at the border was made before this fact (and link) was posted. I admitted my misunderstanding on the next post. When this was made clear, I wondered, after they are released from being arrested, will they appear for their hearings? They don't all rent a motel beside the courthouse. It would be nice to get assurances that they will all be looked after until the day arrives that their hearing is held.
Again, you misunderstand the difference between saying something WILL happen, versus the concern that it MIGHT happen. Judges are concerned about this when people who are arrested stand before them in court. They decide whether someone who was arrested is a flight risk and either deny bail or set a bail amount. It is to ensure that the person returns for trial. It's not 100%, but...

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The get a grip comment was in response to your comments about illegal Mexicans becoming a problem, Murph. Let's deal with one situation at time, shall we.

All rhetoric aside, I understand and share your concern about possible difficulties ahead if this trickle indeed becomes a flood. I also share your concern about our government not being properly prepared in the event that does happen.

No, I do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt that all will be well and that we won't see problems with some of the illegals. But, until that has happened I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding over the 'camps' your explanation here makes perfect sense and would probably be the simplest method of keeping them all in one place while their applications are being processed. I agree they should not be allowed to wander freely in our country.

I would like to hear that the Feds have come up with some concrete ideas and plans on how to deal with the continuing influx and any possible escalation.

Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

Read my other post while you're at it.

I did.
 
Murphy
Conservative
+2
#73
As someone who spent almost 25 yrs in the military, I can speak from personal experience that uncontrolled movements involving hundreds or thousands of people never goes well without procedures in place. It's a mess in the ME.

History has shown what happens when regimes displace thousands of people. Europe is seeing this yet again. There are always problems when masses migrate and show up in a place where they have never been before. There are language problems. There are housing and food problems. There are problems over what the DPs (displaced persons) perceive to be legal or permissible. There are cultural problems - differences in cultural mores. Left uncontrolled, problems start and fester.

We had an expression in the military that was, 'Hope for the best. Plan for the worst.' A simple thing like a processing centre solves most of these problems. Again, we are not talking about WWII camps where detainees were kept. It is 2017 and the centres, especially in Canada, would be clean, modern facilities. This facility would house the people, be staffed by support workers and the people that conduct the hearings. Canadians have experience with this. The last big influx was the Vietnamese boat people. See below.

If there is going to be an increase in illegal aliens crossing into Canada, now would be the time to make changes before the numbers grow.

There will still be problems, but far fewer than will happen if people show up unannounced with no place to go, and no way to feed themselves. This is a poor description of what happened, but I'm tired and cannot be bothered to hunt for additional info. Canada took in over 100,000 Vietnamese 'boat people'. The early evacuations were not orderly, but in Canada at least, the Vietnamese made the transition here with less fuss. There were sponsors. The military was involved. I was in Base Borden for some of the arrivals. There was a plan in place.

ā€œBoat-Peopleā€¯: A Refugee Crisis – Vietnamese-Canadian History – Asian Heritage Month (external - login to view)
 
Locutus
#74
Photo proves "refugees" from US to Canada are fake

httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvKUdEdatureyoutube








related:


www.canadalandshow.com/media-...-it-got-right/ (external - login to view)


httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvDaoCJatureyoutube




#FakeNews: CBC claims 2-year-old (external - login to view)
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#75
state sponsored media
that is the "global" state

Its obvious trudeau has sold Canada out

we have immigration laws and procedures
use them....
or stop invading them with proxie armies of "terrorists", and bombing these people into refugees

all you pro refugee people don't even know that it is your use of their stolen raw resources, and the destruction of their infrastructure, and financial, and industrial systems is the CAUSE OF these refugees

but KEEP PREACHIN anyhow
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EagleSmack
+1
#76
Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post



You know what, Eagle..............you are absolutely right. They will become an integrated part of our society if they succeed in their application process. They will take up our sports. They will find jobs or start businesses of their own and contribute to the economy. Their kids will go to school with other Canadians and they will learn from each other.

You can only hope they will!

I just look at the EU and the US and facts don't support you.

Last week it was smiling cops assisting people at the border...

Now... not so much...


February 23, 2017
Spike in refugees fleeing America and traveling to Canada | Daily Mail Online



A woman from Yemen was seen being detained by a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer on Wednesday while trying to gain asylum


 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
+1
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

I just look at the EU and the US and facts don't support you.

Hehehe...Ya...immigrant have...Hehe...been a disaster for...the...heh...US...hehehe.....bwhahahaha
 
EagleSmack
#78

A woman, who says she is from Yemen, was seen crying after being told not to cross the border into Hemmingford, Quebec on Wednesday. She was arrested after entering Canada



Looks like Justin is having a change of heart.

LOLz
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#79
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Looks like Justin is having a change of heart.

LOLz

I doubt these people actually listen to Justin. They are just like the rest of us Canadians ... except for Flossy.
 
JamesBondo
+1
#80
Just curious, what would happen to me if I was found 10kms inside the US attempting to escape the wrath of Justin Trudeau?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#81
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondoView Post

Just curious, what would happen to me if I was found 10kms inside the US attempting to escape the wrath of Justin Trudeau?

Are you in a sanctuary city?
 
EagleSmack
#82
No more officer smiley with the funny hat... that was last week's photo op.


A man, believed to be from Sudan, is detained by Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers after he crossed the border into Canada the same day

Canada is getting hit by reality.
 
JamesBondo
#83
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

Are you in a sanctuary city?

My name is Logan, I'm flashing.
 
Mokkajava
+2
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

No more officer smiley with the funny hat... that was last week's photo op.


A man, believed to be from Sudan, is detained by Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers after he crossed the border into Canada the same day


Canada is getting hit by reality.

You really are too much... you berate and mock our RCMP when a smile on ones face makes you jump to the assumption he isn't doing his job... and now there are pictures of the RCMP doing their job...and that is also cause for you to mock our immigration laws...

What is it you expect from us when it is your Country who has created this situation that we are forced to deal with...and seem to be doing.
 
Twila
+1
#85
Quote: Originally Posted by MokkajavaView Post

You really are too much... you berate and mock our RCMP when a smile on ones face makes you jump to the assumption he isn't doing his job... and now there are pictures of the RCMP doing their job...and that is also cause for you to mock our immigration laws...

What is it you expect from us when it is your Country who has created this situation that we are forced to deal with...and seem to be doing.

desperate nature makes for desperate statements, eh?

He wants to believe what he posts so he can feel better about trump

httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvvzbHXKp6Y6I

 
EagleSmack
#86
Quote: Originally Posted by MokkajavaView Post

You really are too much... you berate and mock our RCMP when a smile on ones face makes you jump to the assumption he isn't doing his job... and now there are pictures of the RCMP doing their job...and that is also cause for you to mock our immigration laws...

Relax mano... I am not berating or mocking your fine RCMP. I leave that to the liberals to do that. Stop jumping to assumptions that I am assuming anything of the sort.

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What is it you expect from us when it is your Country who has created this situation that we are forced to deal with...and seem to be doing.

What did we create?

Canada isn't being forced into anything... your PM gave our illegal immigrants the green light to head to Canada. This is your situation.

Enjoy!

Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

desperate nature makes for desperate statements, eh?

He wants to believe what he posts so he can feel better about trump

I feel great about Trump.

MAGA!
 
JamesBondo
+1
#87
Canada needs to do their own security checks. "I hate trump" or "Trump hates me" ought not to be used to short circuit our well thought out processes. Agreed?
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
+1
#88
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondoView Post

Canada needs to do their own security checks. "I hate trump" or "Trump hates me" ought not to be used to short circuit our well thought out processes. Agreed?

I think hating Trump is one good way to vet them. It certainly shows they are intelligent.

"Trump hates me" only indicates the colour of their skin. Canadians don't generally care about that
 
Twila
#89
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Stop jumping to assumptions that I am assuming anything of the sort.

ROFLMAO!

salty, man, salty.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+1
#90
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

What did we create?

American's aren't responsible for the current uptick of asylum seekers, Eagle..........but your boy Stevie and his minions using the Donald as their front man, most certainly bare the blame.

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Canada isn't being forced into anything... your PM gave our illegal immigrants the green light to head to Canada. This is your situation.

This situation was created by your administration when they issued an ill-advised extremely poorly rolled-out travel ban, put a temporary halt to the refugee program and continued to allow the Donald to spew his anti-immigrant rhetoric - then followed all that up with a push to round up the illegal immigrants. Our country, with or without, the PM's welcoming words, would have seen the same result. Where else did you think these people would flee to - your heavily guarded Southern border? Not bloody likely. That left your ever gracious but fast-losing-patience Northern neighbors with no avenue but to step up, duty bound as we are by agreements and laws that forbid us from turning away anyone who steps onto our soil.

Yeah, it's our mess now and someway we will muddle through but I have to tell you this, Eagle - Americans really need to come to terms with the harm Stevie, his minions and their front man are doing to your country's image - if you even given a **** about that.

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I feel great about Trump.

Hold that thought as you watch your grandchildren being deprived of a decent education; as your land is raped and pillaged once all the regs are ripped away; as your rivers become even more polluted; as those 250 million jobs fail to materialize while robots take their place; as legitimate media is scorned and Briebart, Fox and Rush rule the airwaves and take over the multi-channel universe, and as existing laws protecting workers are stripped away.

I listened to what Stevie and Priebus had to say at CPAC and frankly, they sicken me with their vision of an America that will in no way resemble the once proud, welcoming, democratic society it fought so hard to become.
 
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