Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says

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There really is no need to be concerned about the economy.

The top issues are still xenophobia and climate change.


Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says

As Canada's finance minister consults widely in preparation for the next federal budget, an urgent question on every economist's mind is: Should the federal government increase its spending to help the Canadian economy?

Such a question undoubtedly sends chills down the spines of many Canadians, who have an almost irrational fear of increased deficits. Many labour under the illusion that spending will somehow lead to higher inflation and higher interest rates. Yet there is no empirical support for such fears.

These concerns lead many to argue that fiscal policy is inefficient and the government should reduce spending or risk jeopardizing the recovery. Proponents of reduced spending argue there are good economic reasons to pursue more austerity in the name of sound finance.

But there is no valid economic rationale for austerity. In fact, the growing consensus today is that austerity is wrong and does harm. The IMF now supports this claim, having argued recently that the idea of austerity has been largely "oversold." This suggests that the only possible reason for promoting austerity is political, not economic.

The truth is that the last decade has not been kind to the Canadian economy. We have had, on average, mild growth, and prospects for the next few years are not encouraging. The IMF has recently downgraded growth prospects for Canada for the next two years, and the more we remain in dismal growth territory, the more it costs the Canadian economy in the long run.

Chances of economic revival stand and fall with the Trudeau government injecting massive spending into the economy.

And by massive, I mean massive.

Our current deficit is projected to be between one and 1.5 per cent of GDP. By historical standards, that is quite low. For instance, at the heart of the crisis, Canada's deficit-to-GDP ratio was "only" 3.5 per cent. Yet it had an immediate and positive effect: it stopped our downward spiral, and for a moment, the Canadian economy stabilized. By 2010, however, the federal government reverted back to austerity, and this is when the Canadian economy began to stall.

In the U.S., the deficit-to-GDP ratio was 9.89 per cent in 2009 and 8.65 per cent in 2010. It is little wonder why the U.S. outperformed the Canadian economy in terms of recovery. This suggests that governments can always spend more, and nobody can say that these deficits contributed to inflation or to high interest rates.

Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says - Manitoba - CBC News
 

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An entity ( CBC ) that gets most of it's operating capital from a government that is running deficits , supports running deficits . Say it isn't so .
 

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What I've said all along.

There really is no need to be concerned about the economy.

The top issues are still xenophobia and climate change.


Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says

Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says - Manitoba - CBC News

Harper .....deficit bad....
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...federal-deficit-expands-3-6b.html#post2037117

Trudeau deficit.....Good
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/22/federal-budget-2016-deficit-morneau-trudeau_n_9525078.html

 

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What I've said all along.

There really is no need to be concerned about the economy.

The top issues are still xenophobia and climate change.


Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says

As Canada's finance minister consults widely in preparation for the next federal budget, an urgent question on every economist's mind is: Should the federal government increase its spending to help the Canadian economy?

Such a question undoubtedly sends chills down the spines of many Canadians, who have an almost irrational fear of increased deficits. Many labour under the illusion that spending will somehow lead to higher inflation and higher interest rates. Yet there is no empirical support for such fears.

These concerns lead many to argue that fiscal policy is inefficient and the government should reduce spending or risk jeopardizing the recovery. Proponents of reduced spending argue there are good economic reasons to pursue more austerity in the name of sound finance.

But there is no valid economic rationale for austerity. In fact, the growing consensus today is that austerity is wrong and does harm. The IMF now supports this claim, having argued recently that the idea of austerity has been largely "oversold." This suggests that the only possible reason for promoting austerity is political, not economic.

The truth is that the last decade has not been kind to the Canadian economy. We have had, on average, mild growth, and prospects for the next few years are not encouraging. The IMF has recently downgraded growth prospects for Canada for the next two years, and the more we remain in dismal growth territory, the more it costs the Canadian economy in the long run.

Chances of economic revival stand and fall with the Trudeau government injecting massive spending into the economy.

And by massive, I mean massive.

Our current deficit is projected to be between one and 1.5 per cent of GDP. By historical standards, that is quite low. For instance, at the heart of the crisis, Canada's deficit-to-GDP ratio was "only" 3.5 per cent. Yet it had an immediate and positive effect: it stopped our downward spiral, and for a moment, the Canadian economy stabilized. By 2010, however, the federal government reverted back to austerity, and this is when the Canadian economy began to stall.

In the U.S., the deficit-to-GDP ratio was 9.89 per cent in 2009 and 8.65 per cent in 2010. It is little wonder why the U.S. outperformed the Canadian economy in terms of recovery. This suggests that governments can always spend more, and nobody can say that these deficits contributed to inflation or to high interest rates.

Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says - Manitoba - CBC News


Excuse me? The US "out performed" Canada in 2009 and 2010? Um, I don't think so. If one looks back, Canada was pretty much the only country to actually do relatively well considering the world economy. Who are these idiots and do they really think our memories are that short? Unbelievable!!
 

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The issue is not whether or not you run deficits. The issue is why you run deficits. Uncontrolled transfers are different than investments in infrastructure.
 

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I know right?

It's like whenever the cons do something their scrutinized up the Ying yang but when the libs do the same thing "it's oh well it's the way to go"....

Meanwhile we have the most educated people in the country putting themselves into more debt to get more EDUCATION for jobs that don't exist in an economy that's " Kicking on all cylinders " or at least that's what the papers say.

Just keep taxing them a little here, a little there, over there etc...

They won't spend money on the economy but they will waste money on subsidizing your electrically heated house because your power bill is $700 a month when your neighbour with natural gas is paying $170 a month... And then paint the natural gas user as the bad guy...

But our "Orwelllian" masters know what's best and not for example a city full of people shouldering the cost...
 

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Excuse me? The US "out performed" Canada in 2009 and 2010? Um, I don't think so. If one looks back, Canada was pretty much the only country to actually do relatively well considering the world economy. Who are these idiots and do they really think our memories are that short? Unbelievable!!

The US has out performed Canada in the past year, I suspect it did in 2009/10 as well.
You just have to look at GDP figures and unemployment rates to see this.
 

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What I've said all along.

There really is no need to be concerned about the economy.

The top issues are still xenophobia and climate change.


Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says

As Canada's finance minister consults widely in preparation for the next federal budget, an urgent question on every economist's mind is: Should the federal government increase its spending to help the Canadian economy?

Such a question undoubtedly sends chills down the spines of many Canadians, who have an almost irrational fear of increased deficits. Many labour under the illusion that spending will somehow lead to higher inflation and higher interest rates. Yet there is no empirical support for such fears.

These concerns lead many to argue that fiscal policy is inefficient and the government should reduce spending or risk jeopardizing the recovery. Proponents of reduced spending argue there are good economic reasons to pursue more austerity in the name of sound finance.

But there is no valid economic rationale for austerity. In fact, the growing consensus today is that austerity is wrong and does harm. The IMF now supports this claim, having argued recently that the idea of austerity has been largely "oversold." This suggests that the only possible reason for promoting austerity is political, not economic.

The truth is that the last decade has not been kind to the Canadian economy. We have had, on average, mild growth, and prospects for the next few years are not encouraging. The IMF has recently downgraded growth prospects for Canada for the next two years, and the more we remain in dismal growth territory, the more it costs the Canadian economy in the long run.

Chances of economic revival stand and fall with the Trudeau government injecting massive spending into the economy.

And by massive, I mean massive.

Our current deficit is projected to be between one and 1.5 per cent of GDP. By historical standards, that is quite low. For instance, at the heart of the crisis, Canada's deficit-to-GDP ratio was "only" 3.5 per cent. Yet it had an immediate and positive effect: it stopped our downward spiral, and for a moment, the Canadian economy stabilized. By 2010, however, the federal government reverted back to austerity, and this is when the Canadian economy began to stall.

In the U.S., the deficit-to-GDP ratio was 9.89 per cent in 2009 and 8.65 per cent in 2010. It is little wonder why the U.S. outperformed the Canadian economy in terms of recovery. This suggests that governments can always spend more, and nobody can say that these deficits contributed to inflation or to high interest rates.

Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says - Manitoba - CBC News
See if you look around the internet long enough you can find someone as stupid as you are. Anyone that thinks deficits are a good thing need to go to accounting school.
 

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See if you look around the internet long enough you can find someone as stupid as you are. Anyone that thinks deficits are a good thing need to go to accounting school.
He doesn't know the difference between debt and deficits .
 

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The issue is not whether or not you run deficits. The issue is why you run deficits. Uncontrolled transfers are different than investments in infrastructure.


So what's the difference if you borrow money to fix up your house or borrow money to buy food while you've got that Lamborghini sitting in your garage? Turdeau Номер Один ran huge deficits on order to give us what he promised, ( what we didn't want or even ask for) BIGGER GOVERNMENT. Like the Lamborghini we can't get rid of it because it's worth less than we paid for it, but we are still paying for it. Now Turdeau Номер Два is going to borrow to paint the house, or buy food, it doesn't matter. What matters it this government can't reign in spending or service decades old debt.


For this, in all, we are one of the highest taxed, albeit not the highest taxed, of all industrialised countries. Even Russians pay less.
 

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What I've said all along.


In the U.S., the deficit-to-GDP ratio was 9.89 per cent in 2009 and 8.65 per cent in 2010. It is little wonder why the U.S. outperformed the Canadian economy in terms of recovery. This suggests that governments can always spend more, and nobody can say that these deficits contributed to inflation or to high interest rates.

Canadians must lose irrational fear of increased deficits, economist says - Manitoba - CBC News[/QUOTE

The professor is decidedly wrong on this. Oil was definitely Canada's advantage in those years.........

"Canada's net debt-to-GDP ratio is the lowest in the G7 economies," said Scotiabank president and chief executive officer Rick Waugh back in February 2009. "Even with the Canadian government’s recently announced stimulus package taken into account, the net debt to GDP will remain under 30 per cent."

That means, by Waugh's estimate, Canada will have no more than $30 of debt for every $100 of GDP.

U.S. economists Kenneth Rogoff and Carman Reinhart believe the danger point is a debt-to-GDP ratio in excess of 90 per cent.


Using the Rogoff-Reinhart line, Japan, Italy and the United States would appear to be the most at risk.

The World Bank estimates that Japan's debt-to-GDP level will hit 227 per cent in 2010 while Italy's will rise to 121 per cent in the same year.

Even the United States, which has spent billions on its various stimulus packages, could see a debt ratio of 97 per cent by 2010.

By contrast, the World Bank figures Canada's debt-to-income measure will edge up to 77 per cent in 2010.

Debt-to-GDP ratio shows Canada's strength - Business: Tax Season - CBC News


Much more relevant to Canada's fiscal well-being, says Ragan, is the debt-to-GDP ratio, which he describes as "fairly low."

"If you look at debt as a fraction of GDP, what you're doing is you're scaling it to the size of the economy," he says. "GDP is basically the tax base of governments. So if you look at debt as a fraction of GDP you're getting an indication of the government’s ability to service that debt."

Despite rising levels of government debt, Canada's combined federal and provincial debt-to-GDP ratio was 57.9 per cent in 2010-2011

But Ragan says that an even more illustrative ratio is Canada's net government debt-to-GDP ratio, which accounts for existing financial assets. For 2010, he puts that figure at 44 per cent.

"We will be adding to our debt this year, but GDP has gone up," says Ragan. "So I think what we're going to be seeing is a [net] debt-to-GDP ratio that is probably close to stable maybe rising very gradually over the next few years, up to about 45 per cent."

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