Canada's Forced Oath To Queen Is A Barbaric Cultural Practice

tay

Hall of Fame Member
May 20, 2012
11,548
0
36
The screening of immigrants who hold "anti-Canadian values" has been the subject of much debate in the Conservative leadership race lately, as Kellie Leitch burnishes her credentials as watchdog against "barbaric cultural practices."

While many have criticized Ms. Leitch, accusing her of stoking intolerance and religious bigotry, her goal, on its face, is a noble one. After all, one definition of barbaric is "possessing or characteristic of a cultural level more complex than primitive savagery but less sophisticated than advanced civilization."

Surely, Canadians can exceed this standard.

Luckily for Ms. Leitch she need not look far in her battle against barbarism. Canada currently requires new Canadians, Members of Parliament, and members of the Armed Forces to swear to "bear true allegiance, To Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors."

As any King or Queen must also be Supreme Governor of the Church of England, any new citizen, soldier, or parliamentarian must swear a personal oath of allegiance to a foreign religious figure and her heirs, which in this case means one must promise eternal fidelity to a toddler named George.

Catholics are specifically forbidden from succeeding to the throne but the link to the Church of England means any Muslim, Jew, atheist, Hindu, Buddhist, or Sikh is also ineligible, as are the 94% of Canadians who are not Anglican, and thus legally deemed unsuitable to assume the position of Head of Sate of Canada.

Though this vulgar, patriarchal relic is deeply offensive to modern Canadian values of equality and tolerance, it persists in law as a disgraceful reminder of our more primitive past.

Thoughtful prospective Canadians have attempted to drag Canada into the Enlightenment by unsuccessfully challenging the constitutionality of the oath. Amazingly, one judge addressed the repugnance they felt about swearing an oath to "hierarchical authority and privileged status" by asserting the monarchy actually represented "egalitarian governance and the rule of law."

The Crown's commitment to egalitarianism will come as a shock to citizens of countries across the world and First Nations people in Canada who suffered unspeakable brutality committed in its name. Perhaps if they're lucky, some learned jurist will redefine "racist, oppressive, colonialism" to mean "just and equitable treatment", thereby remedying the enduring legacy of Crown inhumanity to its subjects.

Believing the term "egalitarian" accurately describes an institution with such a well-documented history of racism, snobbery, sexism, and Nazi sympathies, demonstrates a primitive and unsophisticated understanding of the word.

While the level of inbreeding in the royal family tree may explain, or even excuse, some of their crude attitudes, coarse behaviour, as well as the scarcity of accomplishments they can claim, it also provides strong arguments against demanding oaths be sworn to the offspring of a couple who are both second and third cousins, as Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth are.

In the final judgement at the Ontario Court of Appeal, the Court rejected a "plain meaning" approach to the oath, informing the appellants that by believing an oath naming a specific individual was, in fact, an oath to an individual, they did not understand the "nature of the oath." One can only imagine the reaction of said judges if a witness in their court engaged in such sophistry to justify lying under oath.

As the Canadian legal system demands expressions of eternal loyalty to a bigoted, foreign, misogynistic, symbol of hereditary privilege and injustice, Kellie Leitch is right to foster a discussion of "Canadian values."

Fortunately for Canadians who believe in legitimately egalitarian government, judges do not have the final say on the matter and parliament can amend the Citizenship Act to remove the oath or at least make it optional for those more comfortable expressing loyalty through an oath to Canada. While some Canadians are undoubtedly eager to swear eternal devotion to a toddler, advanced civilizations do not make such demands of their citizens.

links..

Canada's Forced Oath To Queen Is A Barbaric Cultural PracticeÂ*|Â*Joe Killoran
 

Danbones

Hall of Fame Member
Sep 23, 2015
24,505
2,197
113
Anyone who thinks Canada is a "free" country is saddly mistaken
 

davesmom

Council Member
Oct 11, 2015
2,084
0
36
Southern Ontario
Okay, just allow all immigrants to bypass any and all oaths of allegiance to anything that has to do with Canadian tradition. If we're going to turn our country upside down to please all newcomers, why bother with oaths at all?
 

gerryh

Time Out
Nov 21, 2004
25,756
295
83
The screening of immigrants who hold "anti-Canadian values" has been the subject of much debate in the Conservative leadership race lately, as Kellie Leitch burnishes her credentials as watchdog against "barbaric cultural practices."

While many have criticized Ms. Leitch, accusing her of stoking intolerance and religious bigotry, her goal, on its face, is a noble one. After all, one definition of barbaric is "possessing or characteristic of a cultural level more complex than primitive savagery but less sophisticated than advanced civilization."

Surely, Canadians can exceed this standard.

Luckily for Ms. Leitch she need not look far in her battle against barbarism. Canada currently requires new Canadians, Members of Parliament, and members of the Armed Forces to swear to "bear true allegiance, To Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors."

As any King or Queen must also be Supreme Governor of the Church of England, any new citizen, soldier, or parliamentarian must swear a personal oath of allegiance to a foreign religious figure and her heirs, which in this case means one must promise eternal fidelity to a toddler named George.

Catholics are specifically forbidden from succeeding to the throne but the link to the Church of England means any Muslim, Jew, atheist, Hindu, Buddhist, or Sikh is also ineligible, as are the 94% of Canadians who are not Anglican, and thus legally deemed unsuitable to assume the position of Head of Sate of Canada.

Though this vulgar, patriarchal relic is deeply offensive to modern Canadian values of equality and tolerance, it persists in law as a disgraceful reminder of our more primitive past.

Thoughtful prospective Canadians have attempted to drag Canada into the Enlightenment by unsuccessfully challenging the constitutionality of the oath. Amazingly, one judge addressed the repugnance they felt about swearing an oath to "hierarchical authority and privileged status" by asserting the monarchy actually represented "egalitarian governance and the rule of law."

The Crown's commitment to egalitarianism will come as a shock to citizens of countries across the world and First Nations people in Canada who suffered unspeakable brutality committed in its name. Perhaps if they're lucky, some learned jurist will redefine "racist, oppressive, colonialism" to mean "just and equitable treatment", thereby remedying the enduring legacy of Crown inhumanity to its subjects.

Believing the term "egalitarian" accurately describes an institution with such a well-documented history of racism, snobbery, sexism, and Nazi sympathies, demonstrates a primitive and unsophisticated understanding of the word.

While the level of inbreeding in the royal family tree may explain, or even excuse, some of their crude attitudes, coarse behaviour, as well as the scarcity of accomplishments they can claim, it also provides strong arguments against demanding oaths be sworn to the offspring of a couple who are both second and third cousins, as Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth are.

In the final judgement at the Ontario Court of Appeal, the Court rejected a "plain meaning" approach to the oath, informing the appellants that by believing an oath naming a specific individual was, in fact, an oath to an individual, they did not understand the "nature of the oath." One can only imagine the reaction of said judges if a witness in their court engaged in such sophistry to justify lying under oath.

As the Canadian legal system demands expressions of eternal loyalty to a bigoted, foreign, misogynistic, symbol of hereditary privilege and injustice, Kellie Leitch is right to foster a discussion of "Canadian values."

Fortunately for Canadians who believe in legitimately egalitarian government, judges do not have the final say on the matter and parliament can amend the Citizenship Act to remove the oath or at least make it optional for those more comfortable expressing loyalty through an oath to Canada. While some Canadians are undoubtedly eager to swear eternal devotion to a toddler, advanced civilizations do not make such demands of their citizens.

links..

Canada's Forced Oath To Queen Is A Barbaric Cultural PracticeÂ*|Â*Joe Killoran



They don't need to swear it, and they don't need to come here. They can fu ck right off.
 

Danbones

Hall of Fame Member
Sep 23, 2015
24,505
2,197
113
if tradition means i have to swear allegiance to a foreign dictator
then screw tradition

As a french irish welsh indian I am totally offended by swearing anything but at that despotic apartheid zionist bitch of a colonial rapist who made her zillions from the afore said carnal crimes against humanity

This is CANADA! British are foreigners here who should be swearing allegiance to the rulers that rightfully own this continent...all the dishonored treaties be damned!

dishonored treaties
swear about them:
that is Canadian tradition

@gerryH
oh so johnny come lately is going to say who can come in and who can't?
take your immigrant a$$ right along with them eh?
 
Last edited:

gerryh

Time Out
Nov 21, 2004
25,756
295
83
@gerryH
oh so johnny come lately is going to say who can come in and who can't?
take your immigrant a$$ right along with them eh?


ALL of my family came to this continent before Canada was born. So I am not a "johnny come lately".
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
55,609
7,090
113
Washington DC
I just love the fact that in 2016 y'all can still pledge your love and loyalty to the concept that there's people who are born with different, and superior, rights.

When did you take your loyalty oath, davesmom?

And I'll ask one more time. Who knows, maybe somebody'll have the guts to answer this time: what are Canadian values?
 

Curious Cdn

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 22, 2015
37,070
6
36
I just love the fact that in 2016 y'all can still pledge your love and loyalty to the concept that there's people who are born with different, and superior, rights.

When did you take your loyalty oath, davesmom?

And I'll ask one more time. Who knows, maybe somebody'll have the guts to answer this time: what are Canadian values?

I took one, once. I have not been wracked with guilt, since.
 

gerryh

Time Out
Nov 21, 2004
25,756
295
83
I just love the fact that in 2016 y'all can still pledge your love and loyalty to the concept that there's people who are born with different, and superior, rights.

When did you take your loyalty oath, davesmom?

And I'll ask one more time. Who knows, maybe somebody'll have the guts to answer this time: what are Canadian values?



and you pledge your allegiance to a piece of cloth and a hunk of paper.
 

davesmom

Council Member
Oct 11, 2015
2,084
0
36
Southern Ontario
I just love the fact that in 2016 y'all can still pledge your love and loyalty to the concept that there's people who are born with different, and superior, rights.

When did you take your loyalty oath, davesmom?

And I'll ask one more time. Who knows, maybe somebody'll have the guts to answer this time: what are Canadian values?





The only loyalty oath I ever took was my marriage vows.


What are Canadian values? I'm not sure what they are these days. There don't seem to be any consistent values.
I could tell you what they used to be but that doesn't apply nowadays and would be scoffed at by the youngsters and the 'new' Canadians.


As nearly as I can tell, Canada has become a 'me first' and 'do whatever you can get away with' country. Pretty much like what I hear about the U.S. :)
 

Mowich

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 25, 2005
16,649
998
113
75
Eagle Creek
I just love the fact that in 2016 y'all can still pledge your love and loyalty to the concept that there's people who are born with different, and superior, rights.

When did you take your loyalty oath, davesmom?

And I'll ask one more time. Who knows, maybe somebody'll have the guts to answer this time: what are Canadian values?

I believe Canadian values consist of decency, tolerance and perseverance combined with utter fearlessness. :smile:
 

Remington1

Council Member
Jan 30, 2016
1,469
1
36
For me, I believe my Canadian values are the same as Americans or Brits, etc. values. A citizen of a country has pride and loyalty attached to his/her country. Loyalty does not only manifest itself in pride, it is grown through stories told in your home about other Canadians, stories about how uncle Remi fought in the 2nd war and how uncle Joe did 2 rounds of duties to protect our rights as Canadians, tough son of a bi itch that one. It is pride in our athletes, pride in our artists, pride in our youth, fairness, diversity and freedom to exist in a country where I can say truthfully that I've never seen anybody shot in front of me (I'm sure there are shooting, because I know that cops confiscate illegal guns all the time now, but I feel safe in my country). I watch the Olympics to see our Canadian athletes walk out with our flag, and I can say I always get emotional, it's just the way it is I guess. I also love the beauty of Canada, I still have many areas to cover, but I will travel them knowing I will be treated with respect and sights to behold. I love my country and don't mind shooting it to the world.
 

lone wolf

Grossly Underrated
Nov 25, 2006
32,493
210
63
In the bush near Sudbury
I just love the fact that in 2016 y'all can still pledge your love and loyalty to the concept that there's people who are born with different, and superior, rights.

When did you take your loyalty oath, davesmom?

And I'll ask one more time. Who knows, maybe somebody'll have the guts to answer this time: what are Canadian values?

The same as American ... but with a bit less bling and without the spelling mistakes
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
I just love the fact that in 2016 y'all can still pledge your love and loyalty to the concept that there's people who are born with different, and superior, rights.

When did you take your loyalty oath, davesmom?

And I'll ask one more time. Who knows, maybe somebody'll have the guts to answer this time: what are Canadian values?

I'm a Canadian and I don't know the answer to that question, but I would guess separate schools, official bilingualism, maybe medicare?
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
55,609
7,090
113
Washington DC
and you pledge your allegiance to a piece of cloth and a hunk of paper.
I don't recollect doing that, but enjoy your fantasy.

The only loyalty oath I ever took was my marriage vows.


What are Canadian values? I'm not sure what they are these days. There don't seem to be any consistent values.
I could tell you what they used to be but that doesn't apply nowadays and would be scoffed at by the youngsters and the 'new' Canadians.


As nearly as I can tell, Canada has become a 'me first' and 'do whatever you can get away with' country. Pretty much like what I hear about the U.S. :)
So it sounds like the very worst of the Syrian refugees would fit right in.

I believe Canadian values consist of decency, tolerance and perseverance combined with utter fearlessness. :smile:
OK, so how do you test potential immigrants for those qualities?

Probably easier to just let only white, Christian, western Europeans in.

Maybe y'all could use one of them tint meters cops use to check the window tint on cars. The reading would pop up as:

Icelandic
Canadian
Not-really-Canadian-but-acceptable
Terrorist rapist criminal
Drug-dealing thug