Why is the U.S.Pharma lobby sponsoring a conference on Canadian Healthcare?

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Over the past two days, a major health care summit has taken place in Ottawa at the Chateau Laurier Hotel. The summit, titled "A New Health Accord for All Canadians," is a partnership between the Canada 2020 think tank and the Canadian Medical Association (CMA).

This summit featured a variety of stakeholders and speakers including Senator Chantal Peticlerc, Dr. Granger Avery, the president of the CMA, Dr. Gaétan Barrette, the Quebec Minister of Health and Social Services, and Dr. Jane Philpott, Canada's minister of health.


This summit comes at a pivotal point in the history of medicare with a new health accord being negotiated in coming months and an urgent need for national pharmacare (among many pressing topics).

When we say Big Pharma, this is generally who we mean. For a summit that calls itself independent, this seems like a conflict of interest. This isn't to say that there were not independent speakers or important topics that were covered over the two days, but it points to a worrying trend of American corporate interests further creeping into our medicare (not to mention the negative relationship between pharmaceutical promotion and quality, quantity and cost of physicians' prescriptions).

When one of the founders of Canada 2020 was questioned about this on Twitter, his response to a fair question was pejorative (in fairness he did later apologize somewhat stating he was, "tired, cranky and surprised that we're being pre-judged by progressives!")

For those keeping track of the record for the U.S. parent companies involved, Merck is well known for its deadly Vioxx scandal where it was made false or misleading safety and has paid out over $6 billion in settlements. Johnson & Johnson has had to pay $70 million to settle claims it bribed doctors in Greece, Poland and Romania to prescribe its medicines and, along with its subsidiaries, recently paid more than $2.2 billion (one of the largest healthcare fraud settlements in U.S. history) involving the drug Risperdal. Amgen was fined $762 million for illegally promoting the drug Aranesp to cancer patients in a way that increased the likelihood of their deaths.


Essentially, conferences like this are inviting the fox into the medicare henhouse.

But perhaps more worrying is the inclusion of PhRMA. In the U.S. they have already spent a near-record $11.7 million in lobbying this year and have spent nearly $150 million on lobbying since 2008 outspending powerful interests like defense contractors and the oil and gas industry. A recent Gallup poll of public opinion found drug makers are less popular than lawyers and oil companies, and just barely less hated than the federal government in the U.S. (which is saying something).

PhRMA, which took in more than $200 million in member dues in 2014, is expected to launch a major PR campaign after the U.S. election. Trying to shed the negative image incurred from industry price-gouging scandals like those involving Turing and Valeant Pharmaceuticals, the recent Purdue Pharma OxyContin nightmare, or the Mylan EpiPen fiasco, PhRMA is planning large ad campaign (that is, an image makeover) in the U.S. using a five-year-old boy and a woman with blood cancer to distance themselves from scandals.

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These 13 Corporations Are “Big Pharma”: Their History, Crimes, and Products

This is a preview to the Era of Wisdom documentary “Toddlers on Adderall: History of “Big Pharma” and the Major Players,” to be released December 28, 2016.

Written and directed by Cassius Kamarampi, narrated by Josh Mur. Music by Cassius Kamarampi. (Link to image credits and sources)
(Transcript):
In our society, we often correlate legality with safety. We use household products, spray pesticides, and religiously consume drugs such as ritalin, adderall, oxycontin, and prozac.
We consume all of this, but how many know who made the drugs, and where the corporations came from? Who produces the chemicals we trust on a daily basis?
These 13 corporations tend to be a blind spot in our understanding of history.
Tens of thousands of American toddlers are being prescribed Amphetamine; a result of this blind spot.
Neos Therapeutics is responsible for candy flavored children’s Amphetamine, sold as Adzenys. Shire created Adderall.
An understanding of Big Pharma is conducive to a big picture understanding of the world and power itself: it is an essential puzzle piece in understanding disease, hegemony, and health.
For instance, we have Purdue.
Purdue Pharma was created in 1892 New York. They are arguably responsible for the epidemic of opioid addiction in the United States, producing Hydrocodone, OxyContin, Fentanyl, Codeine, Hydromorphone, and Oxycodone.
Novartis is the world’s largest pharmaceutical corporation by revenue, headquartered in Basel, Switzerland, a 1996 merger between Ciba-Geigy and Sandoz.


These 13 Corporations Are "Big Pharma": Their History, Crimes, and Products - Era of Wisdom
 

Danbones

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Big pharma has about the same conviction rate as any other mob
But hey, doctors' samples and school yard heroin...
first one's always free

sometimes though, there is a better way
 

Bar Sinister

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Time for Canada to have a national pharmacare program. That would kick big pharma right where it hurts and drastically lower drug costs to the Canadian public.
 

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Time for Canada to have a national pharmacare program. That would kick big pharma right where it hurts and drastically lower drug costs to the Canadian public.

I'm thinking they are schmoozing the Libs to make sure that doesn't happen. Their profits are less in Canada as it is and they would like to change that........
 

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...but we might market cheaper versions of stuff to places like the US...

"How Americans Can Buy Drugs from Canadian Pharmacies
Brand name, prescription drugs in Canada and many other countries usually cost less than in the United States. Therefore, because Canada is so easily reachable, in close proximity to so many Americans, we are tempted to purchase our drugs from Canadian pharmacies.

However, it pays to be knowledgeable about purchasing drugs from Canada or other countries, including legal considerations for Americans who want to cross the border in person or online.

Here are the things you should know before you buy prescription drugs from a foreign pharmacy.

Many foreign countries, including Canada, control the pricing of drugs that are sold and distributed in their territories. This is sometimes tied into the fact that they have national, universal healthcare and therefore can negotiate the cost of the drugs purchased and sold, keeping the prices very low. (In the United States, because we do not have price controls on drugs and are sold at marketplace prices, many believe we therefore subsidize the lower drug pricing enjoyed in most of the rest of the world, making our drugs much more costly.)
https://www.verywell.com/legal-to-buy-prescription-drugs-from-online-pharmacies-2614903

In Canada there s also this to consider:
MY Doctors just told me recently that all the gov will pay for is stuff that doesn't work, and just makes things worse.
If I want something that works, I have to figure out what that might be, and pay for it myself.

Pharma would like to not have any of that going on either...
The finding of stuff that works that is.
 
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Why is the U.S.Pharma lobby sponsoring a conference on Canadian Healthcare?

There are big buckeroos to harvested from Canadians and they can smell the billions.
 

Bar Sinister

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I'm thinking they are schmoozing the Libs to make sure that doesn't happen. Their profits are less in Canada as it is and they would like to change that........

No doubt - but if governments really want to cut drug costs a pharmacare program is the only way.
 

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Over the past two days, a major health care summit has taken place in Ottawa at the Chateau Laurier Hotel. The summit, titled "A New Health Accord for All Canadians," is a partnership between the Canada 2020 think tank and the Canadian Medical Association (CMA).

This summit featured a variety of stakeholders and speakers including Senator Chantal Peticlerc, Dr. Granger Avery, the president of the CMA, Dr. Gaétan Barrette, the Quebec Minister of Health and Social Services, and Dr. Jane Philpott, Canada's minister of health.


This summit comes at a pivotal point in the history of medicare with a new health accord being negotiated in coming months and an urgent need for national pharmacare (among many pressing topics).

When we say Big Pharma, this is generally who we mean. For a summit that calls itself independent, this seems like a conflict of interest. This isn't to say that there were not independent speakers or important topics that were covered over the two days, but it points to a worrying trend of American corporate interests further creeping into our medicare (not to mention the negative relationship between pharmaceutical promotion and quality, quantity and cost of physicians' prescriptions).

When one of the founders of Canada 2020 was questioned about this on Twitter, his response to a fair question was pejorative (in fairness he did later apologize somewhat stating he was, "tired, cranky and surprised that we're being pre-judged by progressives!")

For those keeping track of the record for the U.S. parent companies involved, Merck is well known for its deadly Vioxx scandal where it was made false or misleading safety and has paid out over $6 billion in settlements. Johnson & Johnson has had to pay $70 million to settle claims it bribed doctors in Greece, Poland and Romania to prescribe its medicines and, along with its subsidiaries, recently paid more than $2.2 billion (one of the largest healthcare fraud settlements in U.S. history) involving the drug Risperdal. Amgen was fined $762 million for illegally promoting the drug Aranesp to cancer patients in a way that increased the likelihood of their deaths.


Essentially, conferences like this are inviting the fox into the medicare henhouse.

But perhaps more worrying is the inclusion of PhRMA. In the U.S. they have already spent a near-record $11.7 million in lobbying this year and have spent nearly $150 million on lobbying since 2008 outspending powerful interests like defense contractors and the oil and gas industry. A recent Gallup poll of public opinion found drug makers are less popular than lawyers and oil companies, and just barely less hated than the federal government in the U.S. (which is saying something).

PhRMA, which took in more than $200 million in member dues in 2014, is expected to launch a major PR campaign after the U.S. election. Trying to shed the negative image incurred from industry price-gouging scandals like those involving Turing and Valeant Pharmaceuticals, the recent Purdue Pharma OxyContin nightmare, or the Mylan EpiPen fiasco, PhRMA is planning large ad campaign (that is, an image makeover) in the U.S. using a five-year-old boy and a woman with blood cancer to distance themselves from scandals.

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Why do Yankee drug companies come to Canada now?



BECAUSE CANADA IS STONY BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals want to save GRAVY FOR THEMSELVES BY CREATING TWO TIER HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are being encouraged by GREEDY civil service union Hogs who think two tier health care will end up funneling MORE



GRAVY into THEIR POCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"Two Tier health care" is LIE-beral slang meaning that THEY AND THEIR HOG PALS will continue to get FREE HEALTH CARE as



part of their array of union benefits..........................while the rest of us struggle to pay for a bottle of aspirin out of what cash there is in



our pockets after the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam kicks in a destroys most of our jobs and economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankee HMO types are hoping LIE-berals will establish Yankee style health care in Canada- and they expect to make a LOT of money



off Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Trump campaigned on getting outrageous drug pharma price gouging under control.

so he cut their taxes and regulations.

ouch