Stephen Harper had plan to unite Alberta’s right as Conservative Party

[mentalfloss]

But failed remarkably, and now they are more splintered than every.


Stephen Harper had plan to unite Alberta’s right as Conservative Party

In the months after the NDP’s surprise victory in Alberta, then-prime minister Stephen Harper told his closest political associates that he planned to set up a provincial wing of the federal Conservative Party to unite the right in the province.

That plan was foiled by his electoral defeat last October, but sources suggest it is not dead.

Senior Alberta Conservatives say they would prefer the Wildrose and Progressive Conservative parties come together of their own accord. But if they don’t, their federal cousins will use their organizational and financial clout to ensure the NDP faces a united conservative party at the next election.

“I would say it’s plan C or D,” said one MP.

In many ways, the formation of a third conservative party in Alberta would make a lot of sense. Under the province’s electoral law, merging Wildrose and the PCs is impossible; it would require the dissolution of one or the other. Given the intransigence on both sides, that looks implausible.

Negotiations between the Canadian Alliance and the federal PCs back in the summer of 2003 circumvented a similar impasse with the agreement to establish the new Conservative Party of Canada.

John Ivison: Stephen Harper had plan to unite Alberta’s right as Conservative Party

 

[Walter]

Another gooey Clingon brought to you by the sphincter of Analfloss.

 

[Nick Danger]

But failed remarkably, and now they are more splintered than every.

That's understandable. Right wing political philosophy is all about "me", not the "us" that prevails in the left. Political infighting was the norm in the Alberta right, with multiple parties claiming the territory as their own.

 

[Angstrom]

That's understandable. Right wing political philosophy is all about "me", not the "us" that prevails in the left. Political infighting was the norm in the Alberta right, with multiple parties claiming the territory as their own.

Your right, the left has no problem sharing the burden with the next generation of immigrant children who will have to pay for their "us" politics, because the left arnt having any kids but are fast to borrow on the ability of our kids to pay our debt.

It's really easy to be generous with other people's kids money.

 

[Nick Danger]

It's really easy to be generous with other people's kids money.

Sure, just as it's easy to offer up advice on what the poor can do to help themselves while the right gets rich off their sweat and hides the money offshore.

We could hurl insults back and forth all day but capitalism in its purest sense is "every man for himself" while pure socialism is equal shares for everyone. Neither extreme will work, someone always loses, but somewhere in the middle there is fertile ground. The biggest poison to both philosophies is greed, either those who want to take their fair share with little effort, or those who want to take more than they could ever possibly use with no regard for the workers that make it possible.

It's interesting that some of the major players in the oilsands are paying wages to their employees who are out of work. That sure goes against the picture some would like to paint when it comes to big corporations, they're not all like CNRL who made the national news for telling their workers that "It's not that smokey, get out there and work". Now just wait until they start letting people back into Fort McMurray to see the other end of the scale, the "poor souls who have lost everything" collecting their Red Cross handouts to spend on crack.

The big mistake about talking ideals and philosophies is that it assumes that those involved are basically good people.

 

[taxslave]

After a year of dipper mismanagement uniting the right will be easy.Alberta will have learned it's lesson about letting lefards ruin the economy and relegate them back to rump status.

 

[Locutus]

But failed remarkably, and now they are more splintered than every.

You guys really do whine about everything.

cuck Lol

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

So how exactly has it failed? Sounds like it may still happen if they try it. If they do they will probably sweep the next Alberta election.

 

[captain morgan]

Stephen Harper had plan to unite Alberta’s right as Conservative Party

John Ivison: Stephen Harper had plan to unite Alberta’s right as Conservative Party

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Your right, the left has no problem sharing the burden with the next generation of immigrant children who will have to pay for their "us" politics, because the left arnt having any kids but are fast to borrow on the ability of our kids to pay our debt.

It's really easy to be generous with other people's kids money.

Old man Trudeau taught his son well... Nothing like keeping up the family legacy of beggaring all Canadians every couple of generations.

 

[Angstrom]

The big mistake about talking ideals and philosophies is that it assumes that those involved are basically good people.

Your whole life logical foundation is based on a wrong assumption. No wonder you sound so lost.

When I talk ideals and philosophies I just assume everyone is evil. The poor want a socialist system for the same reason rich people want capitalism. Free money.
So your bias towards yourself, the same way then the rich, Everyone is. Looks like you have greed of your own.

That's why most of the readers on this web site think your full of ****.

Before you can start looking at the world from a idealistic pointe of view you need to find the truth or you will be making assumptions based on false facts, that will lead you to the wrong conclusions.

Rich people and poor people are no diffrent. All of them know the same greed. Only stupide people can't understand that.

People are just people. Rich people have the resource to express Their greed, the way poor do not. But only a retards wouldn't understand that the poor would be as greedy as the rich given the chance.

The lack of opportunity to be greedy doesn't mean the greed is not present inside the poor. But thanks for sharing how much of a dimwit you are for thinking that, and expressing it.

"All rich people are greedy and evil and all poor people are generous and good." I feel like I'm talking with a two by four.

Thanks for confirming what we already knew. The left are innocent stupid hypocrites. And don't even have the intellectual capacity to realize it.

 

[petros]

The poor express their greed violently.

 

[Nick Danger]

Before you can start looking at the world from a idealistic pointe of view you need to find the truth or you will be making assumptions based on false facts, that will lead you to the wrong conclusions.

But when considering ideals, doesn't truth become subjective, coloured by our tendency to project our own perception of the world on to others?

 

[Angstrom]

But when considering ideals, doesn't truth become subjective, coloured by our tendency to project our own perception of the world on to others?

Yes and no, I'm only suggesting people should seek out strong stable facts we all can easily agree on, to build their philosophical foundation, if they wish to have a strong logical idealism they can use to argue a point or idea with.

Something simple. Like, all living things are natural, and are naturally doing what they are intended to do.

Good and evil is not a universal force of nature. Good and evil only exist relative to the individual who is perceiving it. That's a common mistake I see all the time. Everyone thinks good and evil exist like in Star Wars.

Sure, You can use your idea of good and evil relative to myself as a universal natural phenomenon as my brand or flavour, colour, to project onto others. But it will be easy to argue against you. It's like arguing the world is flat.

 

[Nick Danger]

Yes and no, I'm only suggesting people should seek out strong stable facts we all can easily agree on, to build their philosophical foundation, if they wish to have a strong logical idealism they can use to argue a point or idea with.

So in the dichotomy of right wing idealism vs left, what is the factual basis there? That we are human and humans are greedy?

 

[Angstrom]

So in the dichotomy of right wing idealism vs left, what is the factual basis there? That we are human and humans are greedy?

Yes, in the absence of constant accountability, by a policing force, The rich like the poor, will revert to the natural Law of nature of night is right.

 

[B00Mer]

Wild Rose Party, The Reform Party and the Conservative Party will all have to unite so the vote isn't split.. otherwise the NDP will win again..

Brian Jean / Wildrose hold substantial lead over ruling Alberta NDP: poll

 

[Nick Danger]

Yes, in the absence of constant accountability, by a policing force, The rich like the poor, will revert to the natural Law of nature of night is right.

That's where idealism and reality collide. I'd like to think we're capable of better than that.

Wild Rose Party, The Reform Party and the Conservative Party will all have to unite so the vote isn't split.. otherwise the NDP will win again.

Lots of work ahead there, but still a few years to pull it off. Brian Jean's personal circumstances through the fire plays very well to the press, do you think he could keep that ball rolling for three years?

 

[B00Mer]

Lots of work ahead there, but still a few years to pull it off. Brian Jean's personal circumstances through the fire plays very well to the press, do you think he could keep that ball rolling for three years?

Brian is very principled and a people person.. I think Albertans see that..

Rise from the ashes: One year of Brian Jean leading the Alberta Wildrose | Edmonton Journal

 

[Nick Danger]

Brian is very principled and a people person.. I think Albertans see that.

Public image is what wins (or loses) elections. It will be interesting to see where that stands in 2019. I wonder if there's anything that the NDP can do to redeem themselves, the timing of their rise to power and the oil crash is a hot needle in the public's mind. I don't see the fault as theirs, no thinking person would, but their political opponents certainly see the value in playing it up as such.

The extent of the damage from the Ft. Mac fire is just starting to come through now, there are rumours that it will be weeks before anyone is allowed to return to the city. Again, while that may be out of the NDP's control at this point, there is some serious poltical ground to gain there for those who want to make it look like they're dawdling. Emotions are running extremely high, and emotion trumps sound reasoning when it comes to politics.

 

[Angstrom]

That's where idealism and reality collide. I'd like to think we're capable of better than that.

We are not. The idea we are is, wishfull thinking based on a distorted reality of our public police system holding people constantly accountable. The minute people can get away with something they will do so.

Like texting while driving.

A great majority of the planet has no public police like we have on Canada. You want security, you hire security with big guns. Might is right.