Liberals are considering a guaranteed income for all Canadians

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Guaranteed income has merit as a national policy, minister says

The federal minister responsible for reducing poverty says he is interested in the idea of a guaranteed income in Canada.

Veteran economist Jean-Yves Duclos, who is Minister of Families, Children and Social Development, told The Globe and Mail the concept has merit as a policy to consider after the government implements more immediate reforms promised during the election campaign.

“There are many different types of guaranteed minimum income. There are many different versions. I’m personally pleased that people are interested in the idea,” said Mr. Duclos, who has a mandate to come up with a Canadian poverty-reduction strategy.

The federal Liberals have made ambitious promises to tackle poverty and to work with the provinces on improving Canada’s social safety net in areas such as skills training and employment insurance. Any major reforms would require the co-operation of the provinces, given the overlapping responsibilities for dealing with poverty. Mr. Duclos is in Edmonton this week to meet with his provincial counterparts. The agenda is expected to include a wide-open discussion of how Ottawa and the provinces can work together to address issues such as unemployment and housing shortages.

A minimum or basic income involves a government ensuring everyone receives a minimum income regardless of their employment status.

Interest in the idea of a guaranteed income is heating up since the Finnish government announced last year that it will research and test the concept.

That has led to growing calls to explore the idea here. Former senator Hugh Segal and Conference Board of Canada chief economist Glen Hodgson are among those recommending pilot projects.

Dauphin, Man., was the site of a short-lived test of the concept in the 1970s that researchers say was successful at reducing poverty.

The general concept is that a guaranteed income would cover basic needs and reduce demand on existing social programs. However, proposals vary widely on whether it should be paired with a drastic reduction in social programs such as welfare and unemployment insurance or complement them.

This means versions of the idea have appeal across the political spectrum, as it could lead to a larger or smaller role for government depending on the model.

Guaranteed income has merit as a national policy, minister says - The Globe and Mail
 

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Trying to turn Canada into a Socialist Shyte Hole... just look at Greece.

 

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If things come too easy, or are just repeatedly given to
someone....can they appresiate they effort/labor that
was/is behind that entitlement? Maybe, or maybe not.
 

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The elephant in the room that folks like Flossy are eager to ignore relates to where the cash will come from to provide this magical guaranteed income.

The reference to Greece is spot-on, but we might want to add-in France in terms of their punishing, upper marginal tax rates. They too had this wonderful socialist, utopic vision but have since learned that the high income earners split double quick with their cash and jobs when the policy is enacted
 

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Actually, there is an apparent argument (whether it is credible or not I cannot say) that a guaranteed income is a libertarian measure.

Now what's that pet term for libertarianism again?

It's the opposite of authoritarianism...

Oh yes..

It would be a right wing idea.


Go figure.
 

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If things come too easy, or are just repeatedly given to
someone....can they appresiate they effort/labor that
was/is behind that entitlement? Maybe, or maybe not.


I would guess it enables the ability to take things for granted. I wonder what Justin has in mind for the source of the money. Perhaps reducing the depth of some "deep pockets"?
 

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I would be in favour of a guaranteed income for all Canadians with certain conditions.
1) eliminate welfare payments
2) eliminate disability payments
3) eliminate 'minimum wage'
4) guaranteed payments only to those with no other income or to equalize income of low paid workers.
5) Equal guaranteed payments to all persons regardless of number of dependents.( ie the same for a 1 child family as for a 4child family)

There would be questions; such as, would a husband and wife living together each get a guaranteed income or would there be one payment per household?
 

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I would be in favour of a guaranteed income for all Canadians with certain conditions.
1) eliminate welfare payments
2) eliminate disability payments
3) eliminate 'minimum wage'
4) guaranteed payments only to those with no other income or to equalize income of low paid workers.
5) Equal guaranteed payments to all persons regardless of number of dependents.( ie the same for a 1 child family as for a 4child family)

There would be questions; such as, would a husband and wife living together each get a guaranteed income or would there be one payment per household?


I was going to give you a "thumbs up" until I read # 5. :)
 

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Starting with our Health Care, so do Canadians..

Still think we need a co-pay or user fee added per visit with Health Care, $25 Doctor Visit, $50 Urgent Care, $100 Emergency visit.


That would work well up until the point where some poor bastard dies because he doesn't have the cash! :)
 

captain morgan

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I would guess it enables the ability to take things for granted. I wonder what Justin has in mind for the source of the money. Perhaps reducing the depth of some "deep pockets"?

The largest source of untapped capital in Canada is held by seniors.

Perhaps Trudeau will be taking aim at all of those fat cats in the senior population
 

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Guaranteed income has merit as a national policy, minister says

The federal minister responsible for reducing poverty says he is interested in the idea of a guaranteed income in Canada.

Veteran economist Jean-Yves Duclos, who is Minister of Families, Children and Social Development, told The Globe and Mail the concept has merit as a policy to consider after the government implements more immediate reforms promised during the election campaign.

“There are many different types of guaranteed minimum income. There are many different versions. I’m personally pleased that people are interested in the idea,” said Mr. Duclos, who has a mandate to come up with a Canadian poverty-reduction strategy.

The federal Liberals have made ambitious promises to tackle poverty and to work with the provinces on improving Canada’s social safety net in areas such as skills training and employment insurance. Any major reforms would require the co-operation of the provinces, given the overlapping responsibilities for dealing with poverty. Mr. Duclos is in Edmonton this week to meet with his provincial counterparts. The agenda is expected to include a wide-open discussion of how Ottawa and the provinces can work together to address issues such as unemployment and housing shortages.

A minimum or basic income involves a government ensuring everyone receives a minimum income regardless of their employment status.

Interest in the idea of a guaranteed income is heating up since the Finnish government announced last year that it will research and test the concept.

That has led to growing calls to explore the idea here. Former senator Hugh Segal and Conference Board of Canada chief economist Glen Hodgson are among those recommending pilot projects.

Dauphin, Man., was the site of a short-lived test of the concept in the 1970s that researchers say was successful at reducing poverty.

The general concept is that a guaranteed income would cover basic needs and reduce demand on existing social programs. However, proposals vary widely on whether it should be paired with a drastic reduction in social programs such as welfare and unemployment insurance or complement them.

This means versions of the idea have appeal across the political spectrum, as it could lead to a larger or smaller role for government depending on the model.

Guaranteed income has merit as a national policy, minister says - The Globe and Mail

wow this is a totally original idea.