Religious leaders butthurt over doctor assisted suicide

[mentalfloss]

Religious leaders call for better palliative care as assisted dying debate heats up

Religious leaders from several faiths are calling on Canadian lawmakers to improve palliative care and respect human life as the contentious debate over doctor-assisted dying heats up.

The Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, along with other faith leaders, held a joint news conference on Parliament Hill to release a declaration physician-assisted death.

The statement has been endorsed by more than 30 Christian denominations, as well as Jewish and Muslim leaders from across the country. It calls for more palliative care, as well as "respect for the dignity of the human person, human solidarity and psychological, spiritual and emotional support as the only ethical and moral response in end of life care."

..more..

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/canada-assisted-dying-laws-religious-leaders-1.3293919

 

[DaSleeper]

Is that "Official?"

 

[Jinentonix]

When my Uncle Don was dying of cancer, he BEGGED them to OD him. NO amount of palliative care was going to save him.

It calls for more palliative care, as well as "respect for the dignity of the human person

Riiight, because being forced to remain alive while you brutally suffer from a terminal condition is all about respect and dignity for the human person.
Laying in your own filth until someone comes to clean and change you is not dignified.
People should be allowed to die with dignity and on their own terms when they are terminally ill.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Riiight, because being forced to remain alive while you brutally suffer from a terminal condition is all about respect and dignity for the human person.
Laying in your own filth until someone comes to clean and change you is not dignified.
People should be allowed to die with dignity and on their own terms when they are terminally ill.

Couldn't agree more.

Respect would be letting that person make their own decision not forcing your moral choice upon them.

 

[coldstream]

Look to the Netherlands as to the outcome of legalized Euthenasia. Palliative Care has virtually vanished.. leaving the desperately ill no alternatives between suicide and death without adequate expert care, pain management and imposing debilitating cost and distress to loved ones.

People are routinely euthenized without their permission and hospital facilities, who face costly medical intervention, accept hearsay from families or other parties on patients 'wishes'.. who stand to benefit from a death.

Many patients now put explicit instructions under notarized documents that they not be killed after a series of legal murders of seriously sick.. but not terminal individuals. In countries like Belgium.. legal euthenasia of children with serious illness has been legalized.. because of the the lack of 'quality of life'.. as decided by the medical staff or 'guardians'.

It is sick and sordid beyond belief. It was imposed on us that little Satanic cult in the SCOC... and its Chief Witch.. Bev MacLaughlin. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms has delivered us to a malevolent judicial tyranny. We need immediately to override the SCOC decison with the Not Withstanding Clause.

But in the medium term we need to amend the Canadian Constitution to remove the absolute right of the Court.. without consent of the Canadian people.. to legislate from the Bench. And we need to kick that bitches @ss off the court.. along with her coven.

 

[MHz]

Can you get it as a giftcard?

 

[TenPenny]

Better palliative care is essential.


But so is allowing assisted suicide.

 

[Cliffy]

Aw Oh! The head inquisitor has weighed in. Everybody hang onto their genitals.

 

[mentalfloss]

Federal assisted death panel should be disbanded: Dying with Dignity | National Newswatch

 

[Ludlow]

When you are in intense pain the only thing that matters is relief.

 

[AnnaG]

Religious leaders call for better palliative care as assisted dying debate heats up

Well, then let those religious leaders fund the increase in palliative care.

Religious leaders from several faiths are calling on Canadian lawmakers to improve palliative care and respect human life as the contentious debate over doctor-assisted dying heats up.

Oh, ffs. Life is more than just being able to think and move ones limbs. Life is a huge mechanism that includes myriads of qualities and what these putzes do not seem to understand is our lives are our own mainly, our families and friends' to a much lesser degree, and our societies to a extremely small degree. We should have a say over what happens to our own lives. And we should consider what our families and friends wishes would be concerning us. But what societies' wishes for us? Not much to consider there. But the ultimate decision should be our own alone.

The Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, along with other faith leaders, held a joint news conference on Parliament Hill to release a declaration physician-assisted death.

The statement has been endorsed by more than 30 Christian denominations, as well as Jewish and Muslim leaders from across the country. It calls for more palliative care, as well as "respect for the dignity of the human person, human solidarity and psychological, spiritual and emotional support as the only ethical and moral response in end of life care."

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Religious leaders call for better palliative care as assisted dying debate heats up - Politics - CBC News

IOW, hypocrites sitting back thinking they know what is best for each of us. Nuts.

 

[coldstream]

The Culture of Death knows no bounds or laws. It started with abortion but has moved relentlessly into desanctifying life.. and ending that which is deemed to be 'not worth living' or burdensome to others or the state.

It appeared in Naziism in , but has appeared amongst us in the most banal, maudlin justification.. a wild beast well disguised as a sheep. It will a focus and node of a gathering a rampant tyranny.. that will ultimately tear the West apart.

 

[AnnaG]

Look to the Netherlands as to the outcome of legalized Euthenasia. Palliative Care has virtually vanished.. leaving the desperately no alternatives between suicide and death without adequate expert care, pain management and imposing debilitating cost and distress to loved ones.

People are routinely euthenized without their permission and hospital facilities, who face costly medical intervention, accept hearsay from families or other parties on patients 'wishes'.. who stand to benefit from a death.

Well, then I would suggest the system in the Netherlands needs repair.

Many patients now put explicit instructions under notarized documents that they not be killed after a series of legal murders of seriously sick.. but not terminal individuals. In countries like Belgium.. legal euthenasia of children with serious illness has been legalized.. because of the the lack of 'quality of life'.. as decided by the medical staff or 'guardians'.

So it is moral and ethical to keep the kids suffering. How very merciful and just. :roll:

It is sick and sordid beyond belief. It was imposed on us that little Satanic cult in the SCOC... and its Chief Witch.. Bev MacLaughlin. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms has delivered us to a malevolent judicial tyranny.We need immediately to override the SCOC decison with the Not Withstanding Clause.

But in the medium term we need to amend the Canadian Constitution to remove the absolute right of the Court.. without consent of the Canadian people.. to legislate from the Bench. And we need to kick that bitches @ss off the court.. along with her coven.

And what would you put in its place? Rule by religious cult? Rule by religious rhetoric? Rule by religious dogma?
FO, Inquisitor.

The Culture of Death knows no bounds or laws. It started with abortion but has moved relentlessly into desanctifying life.. and ending that which is deemed to be 'not worth living' or burdensome to others or the state.

It appeared in Naziism in , but has appeared amongst us in the most banal, maudlin justification.. a wild beast well disguised as a sheep. It will a focus and node of a gathering a rampant tyranny.. that will ultimately tear the West apart.

And if people die? Is there not a life beyond death of this life, in your estimation?
Yours are pathetic rantings from a zealous fool.

 

[PoliticalNick]

The one thing always overlooked in this debate is that suicide is not illegal. You cannot be charged with anything if you attempt to take your own life. So what is the difference if I eat a bullet or close the garage with the truck running or get a doctor to leave me a needle full of morphine?

It is about personal choice. As it stands terminally ill have to end their lives while they can still accomplish the task themselves which may mean giving up weeks or months of time that could be spent with family and friends or working on their bucket-list. Why is it that as soon as they are sick enough to lose any quality of life things change and they lose that right to end it. It makes no sense to me. An ALS patient is allowed to choose to die while they still have the physical capacity to not just kill themselves but do other things yet once that capacity to do those things is gone so is their choice.

This shouldn't even be a debate. So long as their are clear instructions from the patient while they are able to make the decision it should remain their choice. We "pull the plug" on people all the time. My Step-dad recently passed from kidney failure at age 90 and he was allowed to give a DNR order. How is this different from an ALS patient or end-stage cancer patient. Why can we refuse treatment but not get treatment that allows us to die on our own terms.

 

[coldstream]

Well, then I would suggest the system in the Netherlands needs repair.

So it is moral and ethical to keep the kids suffering. How very merciful and just. :roll:

And what would you put in its place? Rule by religious cult? Rule by religious rhetoric? Rule by religious dogma?
FO, Inquisitor.

oops i gave you a thumbs up when i did not intend to Anna. Sorry.. :roll:

You misunderstand the nature of what we are dealing with. No system based on Evil is amenable to reparation. They are in fact exactly what they appear to be.. thugs and punks.

Killing children is not merciful. It is an atrocity and crime against humanity. It will be a festering wound which will consume all of our culture..

And we've had rule by law for the entirety of our country's history.. and that of the West of the rule of good over evil.. defined by our moral patrimony and by our consciences. The latter now has been convoluted beyond access to large swaths of the population.. by sophistry relativism and radical individualism.

 

[Twila]

The Culture of Death knows no bounds or laws. It started with abortion but has moved relentlessly into desanctifying life.. and ending that which is deemed to be 'not worth living' or burdensome to others or the state.

It appeared in Naziism in , but has appeared amongst us in the most banal, maudlin justification.. a wild beast well disguised as a sheep. It will a focus and node of a gathering a rampant tyranny.. that will ultimately tear the West apart.

the culture of death started for you religious people when you decided that god was real and took to the bible like it was some kind of manifesto.

 

[PoliticalNick]

The Culture of Death knows no bounds or laws. It started with abortion but has moved relentlessly into desanctifying life.. and ending that which is deemed to be 'not worth living' or burdensome to others or the state.

It appeared in Naziism in , but has appeared amongst us in the most banal, maudlin justification.. a wild beast well disguised as a sheep. It will a focus and node of a gathering a rampant tyranny.. that will ultimately tear the West apart.

You're an idiot. This isn't about the state deciding when we should die, which is just wrong. This is about the individual having the right to choose to die when and how they want. The question to be answered is if we can make that choice and take action ourselves while still mentally and physically capable why can we not make that same choice and receive help when we are still mentally capable but no longer physically capable?

 

[coldstream]

You're an idiot. This isn't about the state deciding when we should die, which is just wrong. This is about the individual having the right to choose to die when and how they want. The question to be answered is if we can make that choice and take action ourselves while still mentally and physically capable why can we not make that same choice and receive help when we are still mentally capable but no longer physically capable?

No PN you are the Idiot.. and a damn fool to boot. Try to argue you case without the personal aspersion and venom and you wouldn't come off like such a hopeless moron. And you might even get a response.

 

[Twila]

What do they mean by better palliative care?

When my dad was dying, there was nothing he wasn't allowed. He could smoke pot if he wanted, drink as much beer as he wanted, he was allowed visitors ALL hours. We brought the dogs in to visit, he ate whatever he wanted, watched or listened to whatever he wanted. The nurses were very very good to him, treated him with dignity and geniune affection. He was given as much pain meds as he needed.

the only thing that wasn't good about his end of life care was that he didn't get to choose when he died.

 

[PoliticalNick]

You misunderstand the nature of what we are dealing with. No system based on Evil is amenable to reparation. They are in fact exactly what they appear to be.. thugs and punks.

You're talking about the religious nutters that wish to control other people's lives based on imaginary men in the clouds right?

Killing children is not merciful. It is an atrocity and crime against humanity. It will be a festering wound which will consume all of our culture..

Keeping a person alive who has no chance of recovery and is in constant pain is merciful? Making them and their family suffer for months or years is merciful? Doing such things because you believe in some fairy tale is the crime against humanity.

And we've had rule by law for the entirety of our country's history.. and that of the West of the rule of good over evil.. defined by our moral patrimony and by our consciences. The latter now has been convoluted beyond access to large swaths of the population.. by sophistry relativism and radical individualism.

Your morals are not my morals. Your god to me is an imaginary fairy tale used to control the minds of the masses for as long as men have wanted to control other men. Whether it be the christian god or Egyptian gods or Mayan gods doesn't matter because there is no proof of any of them. All are based upon the same principle....do as I say or some imaginary power will harm you...nothing but a tool to control people. If you are stupid enough to believe such bullsh*t that is your problem but you are not going to force me to believe it or live by the rules dictated by some cult leader.