Canada spends over $1 BILLION ANNUALLY to subsidize the oilsands

mentalfloss

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So much for that 'free' market.


Opposition parties see $1 billion in fossil fuel subsidies

The question is: does the petroleum sector get federal subsides exist or not? The answer would dictate whether the next federal government could cut more than a billion dollars per year to pay for its promises.

A University of Calgary School of Public Policy energy expert says:

“To say that the oil and gas industry in Canada is NOT subsidized is simply not true,” wrote Professor Michal Moore [emphasis his own] in reaction to CAPP's claim.

“There are... lots of areas such as capital expenditure deductions, exploration, and startup costs that have tax relief or deferral associated with them."

If you use the World Trade Organization (WTO) definition, which includes tax breaks, he estimates there's likely one billion dollars annually in federal supports that flow to the oil and gas sector in Canada.

“There are still substantial [fossil fuel] subsidies remaining," he said.

That's even after recent Conservative government cuts to fossil fuel subsidies, such as the Atlantic Investment Tax Credit, he added.

"Once we eliminate the Canadian Development Expenses tax deduction and the Canadian Exploration Expenses tax deduction except in cases of unsuccessful exploration, we will have fulfilled Canada’s G-20 commitment to phase out inefficient subsidies for the fossil fuel industry.”

And Greens says their new fully costed platform can save $1.161 billion annually from various “capital cost allowance” credits.

And for the truly geeky policy wonks out there, the party says the savings come from: the Canadian Development Expense ($478 million), Canadian Exploration Expense ($233 million), Accelerated Capital Cost Allowance ($300 million), Investment Tax Credit ($100 million), and Liquefied Natural Gas capital cost allowance ($50 million).

Did Harper axe oil sands subsidies or not? | National Observer
 

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So I guess that the University of Calgary should not be able to amortize their assets that they buy, to be fair, if the oil sands oil companies should not be able to. Here I thought that a guy with a University education would know better. Should we assume he votes Lying Liberal, John Deere Green or Greasy NDP ! !
 
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So I guess that the University of Calgary should not be able to amortize their assets that they buy, to be fair, if the oil sands oil companies should not be able to. Here I thought that a guy with a University education would know better. Should we assume he votes Lying Liberal, John Deere Green or Greasy NDP ! !
Lemme guess: you're cardigan powder blue.
 

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So I guess that the University of Calgary should not be able to amortize their assets that they buy, to be fair, if the oil sands oil companies should not be able to. Here I thought that a guy with a University education would know better. Should we assume he votes Lying Liberal, John Deere Green or Greasy NDP ! !

 

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Of course when the exact same thing is done with wind power, it's a good thing, right? Subsidies to Enbridge in the oil fields, bad. Subsidies to Enbridge for wind power in Ontario, good. Enbridge and TransAlta combined have received 38% of the total subsidies paid to wind power generators in Ontario. We already know about Enbridge, how about Transalta? TransAlta, on several occasions, illegally manipulated the energy market to drive up power prices.


But yeah so much for that "free market" all right
 

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If you use the World Trade Organization (WTO) definition, which includes tax breaks, he estimates there's likely one billion dollars annually in federal supports that flow to the oil and gas sector in Canada.
 

mentalfloss

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didn't you tell us that 1 billion was not very much? you know...mr wynne uncle mcguinty and the gas plant thingie.

quit fretting over little issues kid.

$1 Billion once vs $1 Billion every year.

If you use the World Trade Organization (WTO) definition, which includes tax breaks, he estimates there's likely one billion dollars annually in federal supports that flow to the oil and gas sector in Canada.

The WTO definition is credible.

The Harper definition is not.
 

petros

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Why would they need their own definition that opposes reality's definition?

Harper writes dictionaries used in law and finance?

A lost billion with no return all on credit is a good thing?

You shouldn't have dropped out from Absorbine Jr High.
 

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WHAT DO YOU THINK THE 80'S nep WAS...FED & PRIVATE MONY FROM BIG PLAYERS IN THE OIL BIZ TO DEVELOP THE TAR SANDS, TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY...SOON MORE DEVELOPMENT..WELCOME TO CANADA INC!!!
 

mentalfloss

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Why would they need their own definition that opposes reality's definition?

Harper writes dictionaries used in law and finance?

A lost billion with no return all on credit is a good thing?

You shouldn't have dropped out from Absorbine Jr High.


You're a proponent of the free market.

Why are you so afraid to let the market be free?
 

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Afraid of what?

To let go of a little help from your friends?

The Canadian Development Expense ($478 million)
Canadian Exploration Expense ($233 million)
Accelerated Capital Cost Allowance ($300 million)
Investment Tax Credit ($100 million)
Liquefied Natural Gas capital cost allowance ($50 million).
 

petros

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To let go of a little help from your friends?

The Canadian Development Expense ($478 million)
Canadian Exploration Expense ($233 million)
Accelerated Capital Cost Allowance ($300 million)
Investment Tax Credit ($100 million)
Liquefied Natural Gas capital cost allowance ($50 million).

All tax credits. How would an O&G company qualify? Just apply and voila, the cheque is in the mail?

Which of these CCA (subsidies:roll:) tax credits do you disapprove of?


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DaSleeper

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Of course when the exact same thing is done with wind power, it's a good thing, right? Subsidies to Enbridge in the oil fields, bad. Subsidies to Enbridge for wind power in Ontario, good. Enbridge and TransAlta combined have received 38% of the total subsidies paid to wind power generators in Ontario. We already know about Enbridge, how about Transalta? TransAlta, on several occasions, illegally manipulated the energy market to drive up power prices.


But yeah so much for that "free market" all right
But but but....Getting paid more than double the going rate for hydro produced by wind and solar is not subsidies ....no way...
 

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Yeah, well, personally, I think it's occasionally ok for tax breaks and low interest loans, and the like, but I also think companies should either sink or swim on their own, especially when they make multiples of millions in profits per year.