Stephen Harper to join Brad Wall in call for Senate abolition on Friday

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall are expected to appear together Friday to call for the abolition of the Senate, according to a source familiar with their plans.

Harper is scheduled to hold a press conference at the Saskatchewan Legislative Building in the afternoon, where he will be joined by Wall.

Neither the Prime Minister’s Office nor the office of the Saskatchewan Premier could be reached Thursday evening to confirm the announcement.

The Senate has been a constant thorn in the side of the Prime Minister, who has gone from railing against its lack of accountability and pushing for reform as a member of the opposition, to being tarnished by its excesses as a series of a scandals consumed Conservative members of the Upper Chamber in recent years.

Suspended Conservative Senator Mike Duffy, who was appointed by Harper, is currently on trial on a total of 31 charges including multiple counts of fraud and breach of trust in relation to his Senate expenses.


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Stephen Harper to join Brad Wall in call for Senate abolition on Friday: source
National Post | Canadian News, Financial News and Opinion

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall are expected to appear together Friday to call for the abolition of the Senate, according to a source familiar with their plans.

Harper is scheduled to hold a press conference at the Saskatchewan Legislative Building in the afternoon, where he will be joined by Wall.

Neither the Prime Minister’s Office nor the office of the Saskatchewan Premier could be reached Thursday evening to confirm the announcement.

The Senate has been a constant thorn in the side of the Prime Minister, who has gone from railing against its lack of accountability and pushing for reform as a member of the opposition, to being tarnished by its excesses as a series of a scandals consumed Conservative members of the Upper Chamber in recent years.

Suspended Conservative Senator Mike Duffy, who was appointed by Harper, is currently on trial on a total of 31 charges including multiple counts of fraud and breach of trust in relation to his Senate expenses.

Duffy was suspended along with fellow Conservative senators Patrick Brazeau and Pamela Wallin in 2013 after questions about their expenses came to light.

More recently, Conservative Senator Don Meredith was removed from the party caucus after allegations he had an affair with an underage girl.

Calling for outright abolition would mark a policy shift for the Conservatives but one they have hinted at many times over the years.

During a 2007 speech to the Australian parliament Harper said that if the Upper Chamber could not be reformed, there would be only one solution.

“Canadians understand that our Senate, as it stands today, must either change or — like the old upper houses of our provinces — vanish,” he said.

In 2014, the Supreme Court ruled that Ottawa could not act alone to kill the Senate — such a move would require the unanimous consent of all provinces.

One possible method would be via a plebiscite, an avenue former Senator Hugh Segal twice proposed while serving in the Senate in 2005-14.

“The question should be put honourably to Canadians — we should afford them the chance to have their say. Otherwise, the system rolls on and the general cynicism will spread to other things, which is not a good thing for our democracy,” he said.

An Angus Reid Institute poll conducted in April found that about 41% of Canadians would support abolishing the Red Chamber, while another 45% want it reformed. Only 14% thought it should be left as it is.

At the time, only 16% of poll respondents said their views of the Senate would inform their vote in the coming election.

Wall, meanwhile, has been a long supporter of Senate abolition. He told CBC radio in June that it would be easier to just get rid of Senate than to reform it.

In November 2013, Wall introduced a government motion calling for the Senate to be abolished, where he said he believes most people in his province think the Senate no longer serves any useful purpose.

National Post with files from Postmedia News

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Stephen Harper to join Brad Wall in call for Senate abolition on Friday: source
 

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Re: Harper following Mulcair's lead on abolishing Senate

Just following up on the Cons promise to reform the Senate which was previously blocked by the Libs and the Dippers.
 

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Re: Harper following Mulcair's lead on abolishing Senate

Less than 1 hour.

Relax.

Take a deep breath.

And merge.
 

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Re: Harper following Mulcair's lead on abolishing Senate

The neighbourhood guy's thread has a photo. Much more aesthetically pleasing.
 

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Re: Harper following Mulcair's lead on abolishing Senate

Going after that coveted Senate abolitionist vote. There's a curling club in Flin Flon that votes exclusively on that issue. Shameless electioneering.
 

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They already have the Flin Flon vote. NDP will be losing seats in MB.
 

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Harper taking action against senate!

According to his talk on C.B.C. news, he is currently downsizing senate through attrition and is seriously considering abolishing it. It would be nice if he could complete his intentions before the election so there is no chance of the senate reincarnating in any form. I'm not sure if Jr. would do the same.
 

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Re: Harper taking action against senate!

Harper is just saying that to deflect fallout from the senate scandal. He might actually believe it. I wouldn't be surprised. He was a Reformer. But abolishing the senate is a BFD and they won't be able to do it before October, nor will coming out against the senate win any substantial votes. It does, however, put the Conservatives in the anti-senate camp so they don't look so bad when it's revealed how crooked some of their senators are.
 

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Re: Harper taking action against senate!

Harper is just saying that to deflect fallout from the senate scandal. He might actually believe it. I wouldn't be surprised. He was a Reformer. But abolishing the senate is a BFD and they won't be able to do it before October, nor will coming out against the senate win any substantial votes. It does, however, put the Conservatives in the anti-senate camp so they don't look so bad when it's revealed how crooked some of their senators are.

Yeah, I think you have it figured pretty close. Pretty cute move just the same.
 

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I think as a reformer, he always wanted to remove the senate, but there was never a good time to do it until now with all the scandals...
Timing is everything in politics......
 

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Re: Harper following Mulcair's lead on abolishing Senate

Just following up on the Cons promise to reform the Senate which was previously blocked by the Libs and the Dippers.

And the Senators Harper appointed.

According to his talk on C.B.C. news, he is currently downsizing senate through attrition and is seriously considering abolishing it. It would be nice if he could complete his intentions before the election so there is no chance of the senate reincarnating in any form. I'm not sure if Jr. would do the same.

He did that for his first few years in office. He was eventually forced to start appointing them again. The same will happen now if not before the election then after - if he wins. Whoever does will have to eventually. No PM will have the authority to abolish the Senate or allow its membership to dwindle down to 0.

I think as a reformer, he always wanted to remove the senate,

Yep and it was one of the few things I agreed with him on. The reform he tried to pass through was far from perfect but it was better than nothing. His own people shot it down.
 

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No PM will have the authority to abolish the Senate or allow its membership to dwindle down to 0.
It can be put to a plebiscite.
 

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It can be put to a plebiscite.

Which wouldnt accomplish anything except to show where popular opinion is. This is not a valid way of changing the constitution which is what would be required to abolish or significantly reform the senate.

Unless all the provinces agree.

They probably wouldnt agree on the colour of the sky.
 

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Autopsy of a non-event

The rapid rise and fall of the false rumor of Prime Minister Harper’s plan to abolish the Senate offers a revealing case study of the sophomoric irresponsibility of contemporary Canadian political journalism.

Jon Ivison writes for the National Post, sometimes as a columnist, sometimes as a reporter. His stories have a tendency to contain tantalizing previews of dramatic announcements, the news of which, we are always told, was surreptitiously whispered into his exclusive ear by a single unnameable courtier of some powerful person.

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So somebody whispered sweet nothings in John Ivison's ear and the putz fell for it.

Maybe he should have consulted the Supremes ruling, which has been freely available for about ONE YEAR; and he would have disabused himself of his frothy fantasy.

SUPREME COURT OF CANADA

Citation: Reference re Senate Reform, 2014 SCC 32, [2014] 1 S.C.R. 704
Date: 20140425 Docket: 35203

Reference re Senate Reform - SCC Cases (Lexum)

Evidently John finds using Google and other search engines somewhat challenging...

How can you tell it is election season...?

A. Parliamentary scribes engage in wild caprices of abandon, sprinkling digital ink far and wide, as if composing some sort of Rorschach test for the electorally insane.


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"... a revealing case study of the sophomoric irresponsibility of contemporary Canadian political journalism."

That would explain why we so many of the truly ignorant reposting articles from the shallow end of the sophomoric gene puddle.