Economists urge carbon pricing NOW to save money

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Carbon pricing by the provinces urged by economists

Don't wait for Ottawa, report says, calling on provincial plans to cut emissions and reinvest revenues

Provincial governments should make their own decisions about putting a price on carbon pollution and not wait for the federal government to act, says a new report by Canada's Ecofiscal Commission.

The report says putting a price on carbon emissions is the most practical way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions linked to climate change and Canada can't afford to dither about which level of government is going to take the lead.

"Canadians are bearing the costs across the country," said Chris Ragan, chair of the Ecofiscal Commission, in an interview with CBC News.

"The sooner we get policies in place that change corporate and household behaviour and start to drive those emission reductions, the better off we'll be."


The commission members include a wide range of economists, former political leaders, academics and business people from all political stripes. Its mandate is to take a non-political approach to big policy issues in Canada.

Its newest report, The Way Forward, points out that some provincial governments are already taking steps to reduce carbon pollution.

"We actually think there are real advantages to taking these actions provincially, and part of the evidence for that is that provinces are already acting," said Ragan.

For example, B.C. has had a carbon tax since 2008, and Alberta prices carbon and makes big companies cut emissions and pay into a technology fund if they don't. Quebec has linked its cap-and-trade system with California's, and Ontario is expected to announce its carbon plan soon.

The report says action by the provinces will work the best.

"Let them design the systems to their own provincial realities, and let them recycle the revenues in the way that is best for their local economies."


The report concludes that putting a price on carbon emissions could help the economy, because revenues earned from taxing pollution could be directed back into provincial economies.

"The biggest gains to the provinces come from introducing the carbon-pricing system now and actually using those revenues in a sensible way," added Ragan.

Conservatives oppose carbon pricing

Carbon pricing is a controversial political issue that could pop up during the upcoming federal election.

The federal Conservative government has resisted putting a price on carbon, saying it will result in "a tax on everything." Instead, it's bringing in regulations to control emissions sector by sector.

That approach has drawn criticism, because, after years of promises, Ottawa has yet to impose rules on the industry that produces the most greenhouse gases — the oil and gas sector.

Last December, Prime Minister Stephen Harper told the House of Commons that introducing carbon pricing would be "crazy" under the current instability caused by dropping oil prices. However, in a year-end interview with CBC's Peter Mansbridge, Harper pointed to Alberta's carbon-pricing system as a model that could be implemented on a "broader" scale.

The Opposition NDP has been pushing for a national cap-and-trade system.

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau recently waded into the issue during a speech in Calgary suggesting the medicare approach to carbon pricing — allowing provinces to design their own systems with the federal government setting national targets.

The medicare approach is familiar to Canadians said Ragan, although he insisted the commission is not siding with any party.

"Not everything that is national needs to be federal," he said.

"Canada has a long history of provincial action, and many of the things we think of being most important in our day-to-day life are, in fact, done by the provinces."

The report recommends that provinces increase their prices on carbon over time. The commission says the pricing should be tough enough to provide incentives to cut emissions, and the price should apply to the largest number of polluters as possible.

It also recommends that provinces should co-ordinate their carbon prices down the road to reduce the effects of having a patchwork across the country, but concludes that's not essential in the short term.

The bottom line advice for the federal government during this process is what Chris Ragan calls "the three-S approach."

"S No. 1 is: seriously study the issue. S No. 2 is: support the provinces. And S No. 3 is: stay out of it."


http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/carbon-pricing-by-the-provinces-urged-by-economists-1.3022577
 

Angstrom

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Guess will all have to hold our breath to save a little money soon.

Meanwhile they will move to China and do 5 times more pollution that ends up in the same atmosphere.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I'm shocked and amazed that Chris Ragan, chair of the Ecofiscal Commission would come to this conclusion... This recommendation is right outta left field
But it seems to have the support of the psychologists and the aromatherapists, so it's gotta be legit.

Economics is a science, after all, just like physics. Pure fact, with no possibility of spin or interpretation. Coz it's got numbers an' stuff.
 

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Timeline of Canadian developments in carbon-pricing debate

OTTAWA -- An abridged timeline of carbon pricing developments in Canada:

April 24, 2007: British Columbia joins five western U.S. states in the Western Climate Initiative, a market-based climate action group.

March 8, 2007: Alberta becomes first province to legislate greenhouse gas reductions from large industrial emitters by introducing a price on carbon through the "specified gas emitters regulation," which came into force July 1, 2007.

April 18, 2008: Quebec and Ontario formally join the Western Climate Initiative.

July 1, 2008: B.C. becomes first province to implement a carbon tax.

May 30, 2008: Conservative environment minister John Baird says, "Carbon trading and the establishment of a market price on carbon are key parts of our Turning the Corner plan."

Oct. 14, 2008: Conservative government wins federal minority mandate on platform that promised to "develop and implement a North American-wide cap-and-trade system for greenhouse gases and air pollution, with implementation to occur between 2012 and 2015."

Oct. 14, 2008: Liberal party suffers its worst defeat to that point in the party's history on a platform that promised to raise up to $15 billion in carbon taxes, offset by cuts to income taxes.

Nov. 19, 2008: Conservative speech from the throne promises, "We will work with the provincial governments and our partners to develop and implement a North America-wide cap-and-trade system for greenhouse gases and an effective international protocol for the post-2012 period."

June 10, 2009: Conservative environment minister Jim Prentice releases two draft documents he says "lay the foundation for the development of a carbon market across Canada .... It does so by establishing a price for carbon in Canada -- something that has never been done before in this country."

December 2009: Conservative government says it is "working in collaboration with the provinces and territories to develop a cap-and-trade system that will ultimately be aligned with the emerging cap and trade program in the United States."

May 2, 2011: Conservatives win majority government on platform that dropped promise of cap-and-trade system, while official Opposition NDP and third-place Liberals both included cap-and-trade systems in their platforms.

Jan. 1, 2013: Quebec formally starts operating within the Western Climate Initiative's cap-and-trade carbon market.

Nov. 12, 2013: Prime Minister Stephen Harper's parliamentary secretary issues a public statement: "Canada applauds the decision by Prime Minister Abbott to introduce legislation to repeal Australia's carbon tax. The Australian prime minister's decision will be noticed around the world and sends an important message."

Dec. 17, 2014: Harper tells CBC he would like to see Alberta's carbon tech fund model, which prices carbon, implemented across North America.

Jan. 14, 2015: Ontario government says it plans to introduce carbon pricing in 2015.

March 31, 2015: Harper tells House of Commons, "Canadians do not think we respond to fallen oil prices by hiking taxes on the energy industry. They do not think we respond to that by imposing carbon taxes on Canadians."

April 7, 2015: Release of "Turning the Corner: A Practical Approach to Reducing Canada's Greenhouse Gas Emissions," by Canada's Ecofiscal Commission, recommending provinces take lead on carbon pricing.

Timeline of Canadian developments in carbon-pricing debate | CTV News
 

Walter

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Let's hope Harper continues his policy of not taxing carbon.
 

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Let's hope Harper continues his policy of not taxing carbon.

You mean the policy of letting the provinces price carbon?

Which is the same as Trudeau's policy?

Which I'm sure will impact equalization in favour of the provinces that take the more aggressive stance on this issue?

Like Ontario and BC?


Is that the policy you are referring to?
 

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I think it's ironic that many jurisdictions have been using this opportunity of low cost oil to fill to capacity their emergency reserves... All that horrible carbon-based fuel being pigeon-holed away for a rainy day.

And just in time for the climate change conference wherein all parties hording this oil will pledge to reduce carbon emissions.

Interesting
 

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You mean the policy of letting the provinces price carbon?

Which is the same as Trudeau's policy?

Which I'm sure will impact equalization in favour of the provinces that take the more aggressive stance on this issue?

Like Ontario and BC?


Is that the policy you are referring to?

Harper knows there are things that are out of his control, and unlike some others he won't stick his nose where it won't belong.

So be it. Let the race to the bottom begin
 

petros

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How many carbon credits have you bought?

After 2 hours, still no answer. I'll sell him as many as he can afford with no broker fees. 10 for $5 without seeing a broker or registration on the carbon exchange or 1 for $5 if registered and transferable through the exchange.
 

Walter

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You mean the policy of letting the provinces price carbon?

Which is the same as Trudeau's policy?

Which I'm sure will impact equalization in favour of the provinces that take the more aggressive stance on this issue?

Like Ontario and BC?


Is that the policy you are referring to?
See March 31.
 

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They keep saying that companies pay carbon taxes when the truth is simply that we the people pay, companies pay nothing out of their pockets although the books say so. Sounds like pure socialism to me.
 

Angstrom

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They keep saying that companies pay carbon taxes when the truth is simply that we the people pay, companies pay nothing out of their pockets although the books say so. Sounds like pure socialism to me.

Until they over charge us stop selling units can't compete and forced to move to China or file for bankruptcy;)