If you can only pick one would it be religous rights or human rights and why?

Liberalman

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If you can only pick one would it be religious rights or human rights and why?

As different culture join the melting pot of the cities and towns of this country can we really sustain religious freedom any more?

What do you think?
 

Colpy

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If you can only pick one would it be religious rights or human rights and why?

As different culture join the melting pot of the cities and towns of this country can we really sustain religious freedom any more?

What do you think?

(sigh)

They are one and the same.

Freedom of religion is a human right, so you can not choose "human rights" and exclude religious rights.
 

Liberalman

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gerryh

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Human rights is equality for all and religious rights is discrimination and when states and provinces pass laws for religious freedoms then equality does not exist


How far are you willing to go with taking the rights away from those with certain religious convictions? Are you wanting to force the Catholic Church to preform SSM marriages? Force Christian educational institutes to teach and allow things that are against their faith?


These questions are to more than just Liberalman, they also apply to others such as grumpy.
 

Dexter Sinister

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What do you think?
I think you need to define the terms of your question. In general terms Colpy has it correctly, freedom of religion is a human right, enshrined in the statutes and customs of every civilized place, but for some reason I'm inclined to think that's not what you mean by religious rights. I suspect you mean things like being able to refuse service to people whose behaviour or beliefs you disapprove of on religious grounds, like a judge or marriage commissioner refusing to provide a marriage contract, or a restaurant denying service, to gay people, or people of a different faith, or no faith, or insisting that Intelligent Design be taught as a competing explanation with equal status to the Theory of Evolution in biology classes. Religious rights and freedom of religion are not the same thing, the latter is just one aspect of the former, so if you'd care to clarify what you're really asking, I may care to tell you what I think about it.
 

Sal

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I think you need to define the terms of your question. In general terms Colpy has it correctly, freedom of religion is a human right, enshrined in the statutes and customs of every civilized place, but for some reason I'm inclined to think that's not what you mean by religious rights. I suspect you mean things like being able to refuse service to people whose behaviour or beliefs you disapprove of on religious grounds, like a judge or marriage commissioner refusing to provide a marriage contract, or a restaurant denying service, to gay people, or people of a different faith, or no faith, or insisting that Intelligent Design be taught as a competing explanation with equal status to the Theory of Evolution in biology classes. Religious rights and freedom of religion are not the same thing, the latter is just one aspect of the former, so if you'd care to clarify what you're really asking, I may care to tell you what I think about it.
agreed
 

captain morgan

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How far are you willing to go with taking the rights away from those with certain religious convictions? Are you wanting to force the Catholic Church to preform SSM marriages? Force Christian educational institutes to teach and allow things that are against their faith?


These questions are to more than just Liberalman, they also apply to others such as grumpy.

Why limit the example of forcing the Church to perform same sex marriages... That knife cuts both ways; maybe force same sex couples to engage in hetro relationships/marriages.

... Obviously, the suggestion is just as absurd as the OP and the rights vs discrimination argument that is presented
 

taxslave

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More important than freedom of religion is freedom from religion. No one should be able to force their religious views on anyone else.
 

damngrumpy

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Yes people should be free to practice their religion however they should not
be granted special exemptions from the laws of the land or be allowed to in
fact discriminate against others in a secular society
 

taxslave

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Not really. I view all religions as the same. But as long as they don't bother me I don't much care what they do. Now if someone said I couldn't shop on sunday because it is their religious day I start getting cranky.
 

captain morgan

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Not really. I view all religions as the same. But as long as they don't bother me I don't much care what they do. Now if someone said I couldn't shop on sunday because it is their religious day I start getting cranky.

One of the underlying issues regarding legislation and religion is that in many/most Western culture, the general laws are based on a Judeo Christian mechanism(s).

Directly or indirectly, select religious affiliations are ingrained into society already
 

taxslave

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The best thing that can be said for religious holidays is that they create double time days. Like today. This is a $1000 day for us.
 

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One of the underlying issues regarding legislation and religion is that in many/most Western culture, the general laws are based on a Judeo Christian mechanism(s).

Directly or indirectly, select religious affiliations are ingrained into society already

Not quite true. Slavery, anti-homosexual laws, Lord's Day acts, prohibition, blasphemy laws, religious discrimination practices, and so on, have been eliminated by the secular not by religion in Western jurisdictions.

And what religion, may I ask, is doing that theses days.............?

None in Canada. Fundamentalist Christians in the US.