High River Gun Grab Report

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From the final episode of Sun News' Byline, aired just a few hours before Sun News Network went dark, Brian Lilley discusses the findings of Ian McPhail's 122-page report for the Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP on the

High River gun grab.





For those of you who have the time and a reasonably fast connection, here's the full length Sun News Network documentary

"Broken Trust: Gun Grab at High River"




Here's the actual report in PDF: https://www.crcc-ccetp.gc.ca/pdf/highR-en.pdf

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Mowich

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I wondered about that at the time. If the firearms were properly secured, I could see no problem with leaving them - after all the RCMP had a cordon around the area and the chance of a burglary was pretty slim.
 

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I wondered about that at the time. If the firearms were properly secured, I could see no problem with leaving them - after all the RCMP had a cordon around the area and the chance of a burglary was pretty slim.

this is not the first time that a canadian community has flooded and was evacuated. If the RCMP had any stats or evidence that the security of firearms were compromised during previous disasters, you can bet that they would be parading that evidence around to defend their actions.
 

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The Readers' Digest Condensed Version:

Finding Number 29: In a number of cases the RCMP seized firearms which were lawfully secured.

Finding Number 30: The RCMP were not authorized by the Criminal Code to seize secured firearms.

Finding Number 34: Where a secondary entry into a building was not authorized under the Emergency Management Act or the Common Law, the seizure of unsecured firearms was also unauthorized.

Finding Number 37: In several cases the searches exceeded their authorized scope by expanding from a search for people or pets to a search for firearms or contraband.
 

waldo

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The Readers' Digest Condensed Version:

Finding Number 29: In a number of cases the RCMP seized firearms which were lawfully secured.

Finding Number 30: The RCMP were not authorized by the Criminal Code to seize secured firearms.

Finding Number 34: Where a secondary entry into a building was not authorized under the Emergency Management Act or the Common Law, the seizure of unsecured firearms was also unauthorized.

Finding Number 37: In several cases the searches exceeded their authorized scope by expanding from a search for people or pets to a search for firearms or contraband.

Colpy, are you plying the same shyte in this thread too? How many incidents Colpy? Was that 6 incidents the report detailed... 3 from residents and 3 actually reported by the RCMP themselves?

but as I said Colpy, please... proceed to whine/wail over "some number" of "not in plain view" & "some number" of "secured" circumstances... it appears that number is 6, hey Colpy... and as the report stated, there could be duplicates within that 6... there could be incidents reported more than once within that 6. And do that all in the context of a State of Emergency, some 300 persons who refused to leave (inclusive of a high-risk offender), and ongoing incidents of reported break and enter/theft. While you're doing all that make sure you throw in some degree of, at large, platitude expression over the concern for murdered RCMP officers.

per the other thread, your fails over the Emergency Measures Act and the Criminal Code S.489 were highlighted. Equally, your claim that a law was broken concerning unsecured seizure does not hold up to the detailed explanation presented within the report; specifically:



as the report states, Colpy: "Given the emergency circumstances which existed at the time and the potential accessibility of the firearms within homes, the RCMP's belief that the unsecured firearms posed a threat to public safety was not unreasonable."

as the report also states, Colpy: there is no case law to speak to "whether the public safety risk justified the seizure". However, in conclusion the report does state that the RCMP action was "...arguably a reasonable and common sense approach. However, at present there is no clear guidance from the courts on this issue and, accordingly, it is not possible to make a definitive finding in this regard. A determination of this point will not be possible until the courts have been called upon to rule on the issue or until legislation is passed."
 

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Why Sun News was necessary.............

whaaa! Colpy, that was a fitting close on Sun News; as I understand, that was the last thing broadcast before the doors were shuttered! Lilypad (and Ezrant... and Coren) were the poster-boys for everything wrong with Sun News Network! Instead of playing up the saner type guys like Akin, Bolland... they kept scoring 'own goals' with the other fools. Of course, the fools were the leads and became the majority's perception of what SNN was about!