Trudeau announces carbon-pricing plan if Liberals win election

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First the unanimous ruling on the right to die and now this.

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Trudeau announces carbon-pricing plan if Liberals win election

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has vowed to pursue a national carbon pricing plan to combat climate change if he becomes prime minister, proposing a medicare-style model in which Ottawa would set national targets and enforce principles but allow provinces to design their own systems.

The Liberal Leader launched his climate policy – which will be a major plank in his election platform – during a speech on Friday at Calgary’s Petroleum Club, where he acknowledged the spectre of his father’s highly interventionist National Energy Policy lingers.

He slammed Stephen Harper for failing to lead on climate policy, saying the Prime Minister has given Canada a black eye internationally, which has hurt the industry’s efforts to build pipelines to transport crude. And he said the New Democratic Party would impose a “one-size-fits-all solution from Ottawa” with its proposed cap-and-trade approach.

Mr. Trudeau is attempting to walk a fine line: supporting pipelines and the growth of the oil sands industry while insisting the country needs federal leadership to fight climate change. He is also leaving the key details of any national system – whether there would be a minimum price for emissions of greenhouse gases, how Ottawa would enforce its standards – to a first ministers’ conference that would not occur until after the election scheduled for October.

But he made it clear his plan would put a price on carbon, and that all provinces would be expected to pay their share.

“Many in this room believe that a price on carbon is good for the environment, for the economy and for Alberta’s oil and gas sector,” he told a business audience, noting many companies already operate with an assumed carbon price. “You know Canada needs to have a price on carbon.”

He cited policies in British Columbia, Alberta and Quebec, and noted that Ontario will soon introduce some form of price on carbon, either through a tax or a cap-and-trade system similar to Quebec’s.

“Canada needs to show the world that it is serious about addressing carbon emissions and reducing them, and we will do that in a way that is consistent with the strengths and objectives and capacities of various provinces,” Mr. Trudeau said in a phone interview. Asked whether that would include a national floor price for carbon, he said: “Yes, the hope is we will be able to work that out with the provinces.”

The Liberal Leader said he would work with the provinces to establish carbon-reduction goals, and travel to the United Nations climate summit in Paris in December, where countries hope to conclude a climate treaty. Within 90 days of that summit, he would meet with premiers and territorial leaders to hammer out a national plan.

NDP deputy leader Megan Leslie said Mr. Trudeau is offering “nothing but platitudes and vague promises.”

“It is clear that Mr. Trudeau has no plan for balancing the environment and the economy,” she said in a statement.

Environmentalists welcomed Mr. Trudeau’s focus on climate change but questioned his support for pipelines and oil sands expansion. To meet Canada’s international climate obligations, most oil sands reserves must stay in the ground, said Louise Comeau, executive director of the Climate Action Network.

Mr. Trudeau insisted an ambitious climate policy is not inconsistent with supporting oil sands expansion. “If we set serious emission targets, then everything else falls into place and the expansion of the oil sands will be done in a way doesn’t interfere with us meeting our targets.”

“Engaging the provinces is overdue and sorely needed,” said David McLaughlin, former president of the National Roundtable on the Environment and Economy. But the Liberal plan is risky because it assume provincial premiers will co-operate on an issue fraught with divisive economic and political pitfalls, he added.

Topics:

Federal Election 2015
Stephen Harper
Justin Trudeau
Liberal Party of Canada
Canada

Trudeau announces carbon-pricing plan if Liberals win election - The Globe and Mail
 

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First the unanimous ruling on the right to die and now this.

Couldn't be a better week for politics.


Trudeau announces carbon-pricing plan if Liberals win election

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has vowed to pursue a national carbon pricing plan to combat climate change if he becomes prime minister, proposing a medicare-style model in which Ottawa would set national targets and enforce principles but allow provinces to design their own systems.

The Liberal Leader launched his climate policy – which will be a major plank in his election platform – during a speech on Friday at Calgary’s Petroleum Club, where he acknowledged the spectre of his father’s highly interventionist National Energy Policy lingers.

He slammed Stephen Harper for failing to lead on climate policy, saying the Prime Minister has given Canada a black eye internationally, which has hurt the industry’s efforts to build pipelines to transport crude. And he said the New Democratic Party would impose a “one-size-fits-all solution from Ottawa” with its proposed cap-and-trade approach.

Mr. Trudeau is attempting to walk a fine line: supporting pipelines and the growth of the oil sands industry while insisting the country needs federal leadership to fight climate change. He is also leaving the key details of any national system – whether there would be a minimum price for emissions of greenhouse gases, how Ottawa would enforce its standards – to a first ministers’ conference that would not occur until after the election scheduled for October.

But he made it clear his plan would put a price on carbon, and that all provinces would be expected to pay their share.

“Many in this room believe that a price on carbon is good for the environment, for the economy and for Alberta’s oil and gas sector,” he told a business audience, noting many companies already operate with an assumed carbon price. “You know Canada needs to have a price on carbon.”

He cited policies in British Columbia, Alberta and Quebec, and noted that Ontario will soon introduce some form of price on carbon, either through a tax or a cap-and-trade system similar to Quebec’s.

“Canada needs to show the world that it is serious about addressing carbon emissions and reducing them, and we will do that in a way that is consistent with the strengths and objectives and capacities of various provinces,” Mr. Trudeau said in a phone interview. Asked whether that would include a national floor price for carbon, he said: “Yes, the hope is we will be able to work that out with the provinces.”

The Liberal Leader said he would work with the provinces to establish carbon-reduction goals, and travel to the United Nations climate summit in Paris in December, where countries hope to conclude a climate treaty. Within 90 days of that summit, he would meet with premiers and territorial leaders to hammer out a national plan.

NDP deputy leader Megan Leslie said Mr. Trudeau is offering “nothing but platitudes and vague promises.”

“It is clear that Mr. Trudeau has no plan for balancing the environment and the economy,” she said in a statement.

Environmentalists welcomed Mr. Trudeau’s focus on climate change but questioned his support for pipelines and oil sands expansion. To meet Canada’s international climate obligations, most oil sands reserves must stay in the ground, said Louise Comeau, executive director of the Climate Action Network.

Mr. Trudeau insisted an ambitious climate policy is not inconsistent with supporting oil sands expansion. “If we set serious emission targets, then everything else falls into place and the expansion of the oil sands will be done in a way doesn’t interfere with us meeting our targets.”

“Engaging the provinces is overdue and sorely needed,” said David McLaughlin, former president of the National Roundtable on the Environment and Economy. But the Liberal plan is risky because it assume provincial premiers will co-operate on an issue fraught with divisive economic and political pitfalls, he added.

Topics:

Federal Election 2015
Stephen Harper
Justin Trudeau
Liberal Party of Canada
Canada

Trudeau announces carbon-pricing plan if Liberals win election - The Globe and Mail
Of course he does , his back room handlers are the same as Dion had and they haven't changed their playbook yet .
Liberal power brokers want us to believe they are all Einstein's but they forget his most famous line .


Dion's cap and trade was soundly rejected by the voters , so lets change the name and try again .


Desperate times call for desperate measures and the liberal power boys are desperate to get back on the gravy train .
 

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Of course he does , his back room handlers are the same as Dion had and they haven't changed their playbook yet .
Liberal power brokers want us to believe they are all Einstein's but they forget his most famous line .


Dion's cap and trade was soundly rejected by the voters , so lets change the name and try again .


Desperate times call for desperate measures and the liberal power boys are desperate to get back on the gravy train .

Dion's plan had income tax cuts to balance it to make it revenue neutral. If carbon tax was a good idea, his plan wasn't that bad. However, this one does not and also throws all the funding and work on the proposals back to the provinces. If you are unfortunate to be in a tax and tax and tax you do death province run by the glorious leader Ms. Wynn, expect anybody who is lucky enough to have a job after Lieberal economic policies to pay most of their earnings to the government.


So another Trudeau policy on nothing. He is living on a cloud.
 

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Liberals love taking money away from the people and they'll tell you it's because they care for you and your future.
 

waldo

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Dion's cap and trade was soundly rejected by the voters , so lets change the name and try again.

carbon pricing/tax... is the same thing as cap & trade? Really? Who knew!!! Uhhh... no; it ain't - try again!
 

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carbon pricing/tax... is the same thing as cap & trade? Really? Who knew!!! Uhhh... no; it ain't - try again!

Apparently every one but you. They are all just tax scams brought on by governments that are looking to squeeze more money out of working people. Any carbon tax puts an unfair load on people living outside major metropolitan areas.
 

waldo

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Apparently every one but you. They are all just tax scams brought on by governments that are looking to squeeze more money out of working people. Any carbon tax puts an unfair load on people living outside major metropolitan areas.

sorry lil' taxi but carbon pricing is not the same thing as cap&trade... perhaps you could regale us with your vast knowledge on the B.C. carbon tax. You know, where in the past you've put forward all those unsubstantiated statements/claims about the "devastation" associated with the B.C. deployment... you know, where you just distract/deflect/run-away when challenged on your unsubstantiated statements/claims. This could be your opportunity to actually step-up (for ONCE) and substantiate your position/statements/claims with actual cited reference(s). What a concept!
 

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Why not run on a platform of raising and expanding GST? Would that fly?

It just might! We all hate taxes but there is the one problem that many Canadians want things done for them rather than doing them themselves, at the same time you are not going to extinguish a major house fire with your garden hose, so some taxes are a reality. G.S.T. is probably one of the most benign as a person has the choice of how much he is going to pay by deciding he is going to buy. Just don't expand it to things like groceries, drug prescriptions and safety gear.
 

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A carbon tax expands taxes to cover food, Rx and all activities of living.

Why a new tax with a new name? Just raise GST that already taxes carbon.
 

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This says it all


"He is also leaving the key details of any national system – whether there would be a minimum price for emissions of greenhouse gases, how Ottawa would enforce its standards – to a first ministers’ conference that would not occur until after the election scheduled for October."
 

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sorry lil' taxi but carbon pricing is not the same thing as cap&trade... perhaps you could regale us with your vast knowledge on the B.C. carbon tax. You know, where in the past you've put forward all those unsubstantiated statements/claims about the "devastation" associated with the B.C. deployment... you know, where you just distract/deflect/run-away when challenged on your unsubstantiated statements/claims. This could be your opportunity to actually step-up (for ONCE) and substantiate your position/statements/claims with actual cited reference(s). What a concept!

All so called claims are facts. Just because you chose to be ignorant does not change that. your lack of knowledge of economics is right up their with your lack knowledge of globull warming and firearms. Is there any subject you know anything about?Or do yo just blindly C&P?
 

waldo

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This says it all

"He is also leaving the key details of any national system – whether there would be a minimum price for emissions of greenhouse gases, how Ottawa would enforce its standards – to a first ministers’ conference that would not occur until after the election scheduled for October."

says what? That a Trudeau government would actually meet with Premiers toward like understanding, consensus building and planned actions/deployment... something you boy Harper refuses to do! Is that what it says? Meeting with Premiers... what a concept!
 

gerryh

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says what? That a Trudeau government would actually meet with Premiers toward like understanding, consensus building and planned actions/deployment... something you boy Harper refuses to do! Is that what it says? Meeting with Premiers... what a concept!




It shows he doesn't have a plan.
 

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.... many Canadians want things done for them rather than doing them themselves....

Fortunately, most of those Canadians are nearing the end. I suspect once the older generations die off, we can get back to reality and start paying our way as a society.
 

waldo

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All so called claims are facts. Just because you chose to be ignorant does not change that. your lack of knowledge of economics is right up their with your lack knowledge of globull warming and firearms. Is there any subject you know anything about?Or do yo just blindly C&P?

it's quite telling when your so-called "facts" are nothing more than your unsubstantiated statements/claims/opinions! :mrgreen: You really should stick with your strengths and just stay with your usual drive-by insult posts... when challenged on those unsubstantiated "facts" of yours, your charade is shown for what it truly is! Like I said, you should use this thread to reinforce your prior unsubstantiated statements/claims (aka your opinions) on the B.C. carbon tax... cause, like I'm sure you won't get challenged to provide references to support YOUR OPINIONS, right? No one would do that, right?