Harper preaches pushback against Islamists, and sells weapons to the Middle East

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Harper preaches pushback against Islamists, and sells weapons to the Middle East

Only days before the murderous assault on Charlie Hébdo staff in Paris by heavily armed men claiming allegiance to Al Qaeda, Prime Minister Stephen Harper refused to support the global Arms Trade Treaty, which came into force on Christmas Eve, 90 days after the 50th nation ratified it.

While doing so, Harper also facilitated more Canadian arms sales this past year than previous governments have ever sanctioned – a $14.8 billion contract over 10 years to sell Light Armored Vehicles (LAV III) made in Ontario. They are being assembled at a branch plant of US-based General Dynamics, the sixth largest arms manufacturer in the world, with sales of over $31 billion in 2012.

Canada’s weaponry is being sold to Saudi Arabia, the largest arms buyer in the Middle East. It is also the country that has funded the radicalization of Islam for over 40 years, and is the leading exponent of a rigid form of Islamism which preaches rejection of “infidels”.

Saudi Arabia is the country in the world where women cannot drive and where days ago a reporter who dared question the strict laws of the country was publicly flogged, fined (over $250,000) and imprisoned for 10 years.

Not only is Canada selling to the leading Islamist state, it is also selling to Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, and even to Iraq, all countries with questionable human rights records. Canada is indiscriminately distributing arms right into the centre of the Middle East, arms which can easily end up in the hands of violent extremists.

When in the spotlight, Stephen Harper condemns the “international jihadist movement” and says Canada will do what it can to eliminate the threat embodied by this movement.

Yet out of the spotlight, he's selling of large amounts of weaponry to the very part of the world where he says this threat is coming from.

And the reasoning is purely amoral. As military journalist Dan Wasserby noted, after ending involvement in overseas wars, “many countries, including Canada, are looking to expand defence industry exports to offset reduced demand at home.”

It’s making money first and values second all the way – a few Canadian jobs (and presumably votes trump the widespread distribution of instruments of death and destruction.

These arms sales are directly powered by the Canadian government, through the Canadian Commercial Corporation (CCC). This agency, in the case of armaments, “promotes international defence procurement cooperation…Working as Prime Contractor, the Corporation stands behind every contract….thus ensuring a high success rate for projects involving CCC. We oversee all contracts from start to finish.”

The Middle East – like most of the world – is already awash in weaponry, thanks to massive sales volumes from the US and Russia and lesser volumes from European nations, China, and just about every other country in the world.

Each country produced over $30 billion in weaponry, although sales earnings are far greater, with the US selling to many more countries than Russia, but Russia selling a higher total volume than its rival.

And inevitably, some of this tsunami of weaponry has found its way into the hands of the very people Stephen Harper rails against – the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS. US-made weapons figure clearly among them. There’s no evidence that Canadian weapons won’t do so, too.

So we’ve come full circle.

The violent assaults in and outside Paris are symptoms of a militaristic, violent malaise that grips the world, fuelled, among other things, by a relentless flow of lethal firepower that leaves the entire human community awash in fear and anger, shredding our aspirations for peace to ribbons.

Our Prime Minister is in the thick of it, sparking the tension with sometimes inflammatory rhetoric and war-like condemnation of the “bad guys”. Meanwhile, his policies only accelerate the distribution of weapons to those same countries and cultures he rejects.

It’s time for a different way – a more honest, truly peace-building, warmhearted, inclusive above-board way.

Harper preaches pushback against Islamists, and sells weapons to the Middle East | Vancouver Observer
 

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We've been getting along pretty well lately, mentalfloss, so it's about time we parted ways on an issue.

Go ahead and sell them the weapons. If you don't, somebody else will (usually the Swedes and the Russians). Might as well make a buck or two. There is NOTHING we can do to keep Arabic society from its bloody showdown. We don't know the players, we don't know the playbook, we don't know the rules.
 

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Thousands of Canadian livelihoods in London, Ontario

so yay, ontario economy! whatever.



helps offset that 1,000 million contract cancellation fee that wynne and his gang arranged.
 

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a $14.8 billion contract over 10 years to sell Light Armored Vehicles (LAV III) made in Ontario. They are being assembled at a branch plant of US-based General Dynamics, the sixth largest arms manufacturer in the world, with sales of over $31 billion in 2012.

Good sleuthing my boy!

Why, during the attacks on Charlie Hebdo (just out of camera shot) were a fleet of the Light Armored Vehicles that were used in the attacks.

... Ontario should be ashamed to be promoting terrorism all and contributing to the AGW Armageddon from the manufacture
 

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I will agree that selling arms may be a necessary part of international affairs, but the rhetoric from Harper is disingenuous if he is not going to take affirmative action to reduce the threat of violent extremists.
 

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I will agree that selling arms may be a necessary part of international affairs, but the rhetoric from Harper is disingenuous if he is not going to take affirmative action to reduce the threat of violent extremists.


What is rhetoric is the sad (indirect) connection that you attempt to make between Harper and Fundie terrorists.

PS - If you're looking for a political scapegoat, Ontario should be blasted on this, not Harper
 

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If Harper was really pissed he would have donated the weapons.
The concept of being so made he is going to arrange a sale to some of his donators can pocket a few dollars selling weapons to rebels in Syria so they can kill the Syrians that are not the rebels isn't motivating me to do much to support that.
I hope they got the order right this time cause having the threat come after the weapons thing is quite different than it being the other way around, which is actually the way it is.

I will agree that selling arms may be a necessary part of international affairs,
Really? Then why is 'our side' the only side that is allowed to do it? The same items that are being taken away from the citizens here are being left on every street corner over there. Both being claimed to be moves that are designed to 'keep the peace'. This a game of flip the coin where the winner is declared if the coin falls down instead of up?
 

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What is rhetoric is the sad (indirect) connection that you attempt to make between Harper and Fundie terrorists.

PS - If you're looking for a political scapegoat, Ontario should be blasted on this, not Harper
Ontario is part of this but Harper is not part of Canada, I can go with most of that. Guess which one should have his passport pulled next time he leaves the country as supporting terrorism (giving them justification to attack Canada). Russia might let him wander around their international airport, wait a minute, why not use the same tactic he used against a tougher enemy, Russia? That stern look carries a bigger punch than a container full of guns confiscated in Canada when used in a crime in Canada.
 

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Here's a conspiracy for you to chew on.....all those weapons have locator chips embeded in them so they can be traced......
So ISIS will be handing them out so the US can drone them and eliminate any potential witnesses for the Hauge. (video he was in before would then be the witness that speaks for him btw. Give the guillotine construction to France as compensation for recent losses.
 

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That's truly amazingly twisted logic.
Nice glasses, not. 'That amazingly twisted logic is true.' Putin went home and Canada hasn't been mentioned by him once since 'the incident'.
ISIS is pretty much saying, 'Come out, come out where ever you are.

PS the 'twisted ones' are the ones that caused the headline that the thread is based on rather than anybody that is making a comment on it, but then that would be a head-line and news to a lot of 'people'.
 

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So ISIS will be handing them out so the US can drone them and eliminate any potential witnesses for the Hauge. (video he was in before would then be the witness that speaks for him btw. Give the guillotine construction to France as compensation for recent losses.

ISIS will make extra-super credible witnesses at the Hague.. Why, all the experience they have with war crimes, rape, beheadings, burying alive, etc, they will know exactly how to recognize those and report faithfully to the tribunal.

Boy-O-Boy; the USA is sure in for it now!
 

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At least they be reading from the same script.
Can you imagine the quality of the 'play' if the US had to write the script for 20,000 witnesses rather than the 200 that might send in a letter. Either way it is part of the final scenes so it has to have some sort of happy ending. The West would settle for a rubber stamp hitting a map and label it as Palestine that woyld stretch from Turkey to the Atlantic via Africa. Get the UN to stamp it and they can sign something as complicated as UN 273 and they are in.

Don't do the history too much as it will lead back to Iran in 1953 and Afghanistan in 1978 as those traits were committed only after a generous donation from the US while knowing full well the consequences it would cause. Fuk it, leave it in, maybe then we can get down to the stuff that really matters, pot holes.
 

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anyway, these are LAVIII's...not rifles or heat seeking moisture missiles.

 

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I will agree that selling arms may be a necessary part of international affairs, but the rhetoric from Harper is disingenuous if he is not going to take affirmative action to reduce the threat of violent extremists.

All the years your liberals ruled and we have THIS in 2015 from only 10 years of conservative government?
 

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All the years your liberals ruled and we have THIS in 2015 from only 10 years of conservative government?


and the next time these morons get in they'll waste away 10 years or more trying to 'understand' terrorists, figure out why they're cranky...root causes and all like that...probably have a Minister of Hugs.