Oil price drop means lost billions for Canada

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Oil price drop means lost billions for Canada, CIBC says

The dramatic decline in oil prices will cost Ottawa about $5 billion in lost revenue and provincial economies a little more than that, one of Canada's biggest banks suggested today.

That's one of the main takeaways from a CIBC report that attempts to quantify the impact of plunging oil prices on many aspects of Canada's economy.

"The recent dive in crude oil prices is an unprecedented development for the Canadian economy," the report by CIBC economists Avery Shenfeld, Peter Buchanan and Warren Lovely says.

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ANALYSIS: The winners and losers of cheap oil
There's a broad consensus that the declining price of oil is bad economic news for Canada, since the country has made major moves in the last decade or so to increase oil output and become a major global player in energy.

Last week, the Bank of Canada estimated that on the whole, suddenly cheaper oil will knock about a third of a percentage point off of Canada's GDP next year. But the CIBC report points out that gauging the impact of that decline is far more complex than simply measuring the impact on GDP.

Winners and losers

"The bottom line is that references to a few decimal places in real GDP miss the point," the bank says. "The value of what Canada sells to the world ... is what filters into wages and profits, government revenues and economic well-being."

It's clear that the impact isn't going to be felt evenly.

Some provinces are poised for tough times ahead, while others may ultimately see some benefits.

"The energy sector directly accounts for nearly 10 per cent of Canada's GDP, but in the oily corners of the country — Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland and Labrador — that sector's weighting is closer to 25 to 30 per cent," the bank says.

Why Canada just pumps out cheap, unrefined oil
Oil drop will mean cheaper gas — eventually
A world where the price of oil is under $60 and dropping is an unquestioned negative for those places. But contrast those provinces with the rest of the country and cheap oil is not nearly as dire. Outside of those three, no other province relies on energy for more than four per cent of its GDP.

"Energy's share of Ontario's economy is a scant two per cent, and that province will actually benefit by a weaker Canadian dollar." CIBC says.

Slumping oil creates a virtuous cycle for those who like a cheap loonie, like many businesses and consumers in Central Canada. The bank reckons that oil's 40 per cent decline has already directly shaved about five per cent off the value of the loonie.

Better still is that Canadian consumers will see real-dollar savings every time they fill up the car with gas, or buy heating oil to heat their home.

By CIBC's reckoning, about five per cent of consumer spending goes directly to oil-based fuels. Every $2 drop in crude oil shaves about a cent from gasoline prices, so that alone could mean $10 billion extra dollars in Canadians pockets.

That's good news too, even if "as with any transitory bump in income," CIBC warns, "not all of that money is likely to be spent."

And cheap oil could also compel the Bank of Canada to put off rate hikes a little longer, something that would add to the loonie's weakness. All in all, the bank foresees a floor of about 81 cents for the Canadian dollar.

It's different this time

Cratering oil prices aren't new, but this decline is unlike previous ones because others were caused by a recession-related drop in demand. Of late, the price of oil has been dropping just because we have too much of it — much of the global economy is actually poised for growth, especially the suddenly strong U.S. economy that a lot of Canada stands to benefit from.

Fuel surcharges will come down for air travel, but not yet
Add it all up and Ontario could be poised to lead the country in GDP growth next year, CIBC says, followed closely by B.C., Manitoba and Quebec, all of which are expected to grow by more than two per cent.

Topline growth in the form of the economy, which is measured in GDP, filters down into real money for Canadian people and businesses — and back up to governments in the form of taxes.

There's a hit to be had on that front too, the bank says.

Assuming an average price of $70 per barrel next year, the bank estimates that Canadian governments will lose out on between $10 billion and $13 billion worth of revenue next year.

"Of that, Ottawa's hit could be on the order of about $5 billion," CIBC says. That's not an insignificant amount of money, as it's bigger than some of the more optimistic forecasts of near-term budget surpluses that the federal government recently forecasted for next year.

If Ottawa's tax revenues come in lower than expected, that could change plans in a hurry. As CIBC puts it, cheap oil could "force some yet-to-be announced restraint on the spending side to pay for tax relief already unveiled."

Deficits possible

Outside Ottawa, the provincial government in Edmonton is set to take just as big a hit.

If oil averages $70 per barrel next year (and it's worth noting the banks' estimate of $70 per barrel is more than 20 per cent higher than where oil is currently trading), CIBC says Alberta can expect a hit of about $7 billion in lost revenue.

Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland and Labrador can expect smaller hits, something in the range of between $400 million and $700 million less per year. The impact on other provinces is hard to quantify as any decline in revenue from energy is likely to be at least partly offset by increases in everything else.

The bank even goes so far as to recommend that Alberta goes into deficit, at least temporarily, until oil revenues return.

"Today's concerning energy price backdrop won't last, as the world will ultimately need oil from Canada," CIBC says. "But ... there are regional and sectoral stories that will play out for at least a year if not longer, raising the stakes for policymakers and investors who had grown accustomed to good news from the oil patch."


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Walter

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Every family in Canada that drives one car will save between 1500 and 2500 a year. Multiply that by the number of cars the family drives and you see that the price drop in oil is a Godsend for Canada and Canadians. Tanked for 80.0 yesterday and the CBC says it bad for the gubmint, too effin bad.


CBC needs to be defunded completely for posting leftwing drivel like this.
 
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Crank up the debt machine, we will have great-grand-kids right?
If Haiti can take out a 250 year loan as part of the price of freedom how much more would we go into debt to own and use up the resource rich areas, that happenened in Hait and they are still, . . . on the map.
 

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A rough translation of the article is the CIBC is overextended in the O&G industry and would dearly like to raise loan rates elsewhere to ensure continued shareholder profits.
 

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You had me cheering right up to the last 4 words.

That is what business is all about. People and pension plans make investments expecting a return on that money, no other reason. More to the point they do not care who gets hurt in the process. Ontario Teachers pension owns, or owned a major chunk of TimberWest. First thing they did was close all the mills and lay off all their union loggers. All logging is now by lowest bidder and almost all timber is exported. That is how unions look after their brothers, just like any other business.
 

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Cash and carry with instant barter, so if we return to that why ever leave it in the first place? I kind of draw the line when the public is held back from getting too much of what the rich have.
Little recession, perfect, the elite give up skiing at a resort in Jasper so it goes under and is purchased for pennies on the dollar when the original dollar most likely came from public funds. Open it up so the staff is people who are willing to do menial tasks for 5 days and that gets them 2 days as a guest and if paying customers are around to take the better rooms them in the cellar next to the furnace still comes with room service. Make the guests who are also the staff the shareholders. Journeymen would just do enough that it came in just under permit needed price and since there are 10,000 journeymen who like to ski in Jasper for free they don't mind getting the first few rounds delivered to the not bar location. I'm sure the Lawyers taking advantage could drop something better in the suggestion box on their way out.
 

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Ohhhhhhh the horror! Good thing we have sh-tloades of roses, daffodils, petunias, lilies, marigolds, lotuses, asters, begonias, carnations, dahlias, gladiolas, irises, orchids, and other blooms or morons would be flapping about SFA they know nothing about.Right flawssy?
 

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You have to love the flip flop...if someone suggests anything like a new cost on oil operations that would reduce producer margins, people scream about how it's stupid and will hurt the entire Canadian economy. The commodity price of oil plummets, reducing producer margins, and in some cases causing development projects to halt, and all of a sudden it's hunky dory for the Canadian economy. For junior non-conventional operations, it had already been made more difficult. Joint ventures aren't as easy to come by thanks to the Federal government's ruling on foreign investment in the oil sands.

CIBC of course is interested in the investment opportunities...though TD thinks it will be good news for Ontario.
 

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Oil price drop means lost billions for Canada, CIBC says

The dramatic decline in oil prices will cost Ottawa about $5 billion in lost revenue and provincial economies a little more than that, one of Canada's biggest banks suggested today.

That's one of the main takeaways from a CIBC report that attempts to quantify the impact of plunging oil prices on many aspects of Canada's economy.

"The recent dive in crude oil prices is an unprecedented development for the Canadian economy," the report by CIBC economists Avery Shenfeld, Peter Buchanan and Warren Lovely says.

DON PITTIS: Face it — house prices could fall like oil is
ANALYSIS: The winners and losers of cheap oil
There's a broad consensus that the declining price of oil is bad economic news for Canada, since the country has made major moves in the last decade or so to increase oil output and become a major global player in energy.

Last week, the Bank of Canada estimated that on the whole, suddenly cheaper oil will knock about a third of a percentage point off of Canada's GDP next year. But the CIBC report points out that gauging the impact of that decline is far more complex than simply measuring the impact on GDP.

Winners and losers

"The bottom line is that references to a few decimal places in real GDP miss the point," the bank says. "The value of what Canada sells to the world ... is what filters into wages and profits, government revenues and economic well-being."

It's clear that the impact isn't going to be felt evenly.

Some provinces are poised for tough times ahead, while others may ultimately see some benefits.

"The energy sector directly accounts for nearly 10 per cent of Canada's GDP, but in the oily corners of the country — Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland and Labrador — that sector's weighting is closer to 25 to 30 per cent," the bank says.

Why Canada just pumps out cheap, unrefined oil
Oil drop will mean cheaper gas — eventually
A world where the price of oil is under $60 and dropping is an unquestioned negative for those places. But contrast those provinces with the rest of the country and cheap oil is not nearly as dire. Outside of those three, no other province relies on energy for more than four per cent of its GDP.

"Energy's share of Ontario's economy is a scant two per cent, and that province will actually benefit by a weaker Canadian dollar." CIBC says.

Slumping oil creates a virtuous cycle for those who like a cheap loonie, like many businesses and consumers in Central Canada. The bank reckons that oil's 40 per cent decline has already directly shaved about five per cent off the value of the loonie.

Better still is that Canadian consumers will see real-dollar savings every time they fill up the car with gas, or buy heating oil to heat their home.

By CIBC's reckoning, about five per cent of consumer spending goes directly to oil-based fuels. Every $2 drop in crude oil shaves about a cent from gasoline prices, so that alone could mean $10 billion extra dollars in Canadians pockets.

That's good news too, even if "as with any transitory bump in income," CIBC warns, "not all of that money is likely to be spent."

And cheap oil could also compel the Bank of Canada to put off rate hikes a little longer, something that would add to the loonie's weakness. All in all, the bank foresees a floor of about 81 cents for the Canadian dollar.

It's different this time

Cratering oil prices aren't new, but this decline is unlike previous ones because others were caused by a recession-related drop in demand. Of late, the price of oil has been dropping just because we have too much of it — much of the global economy is actually poised for growth, especially the suddenly strong U.S. economy that a lot of Canada stands to benefit from.

Fuel surcharges will come down for air travel, but not yet
Add it all up and Ontario could be poised to lead the country in GDP growth next year, CIBC says, followed closely by B.C., Manitoba and Quebec, all of which are expected to grow by more than two per cent.

Topline growth in the form of the economy, which is measured in GDP, filters down into real money for Canadian people and businesses — and back up to governments in the form of taxes.

There's a hit to be had on that front too, the bank says.

Assuming an average price of $70 per barrel next year, the bank estimates that Canadian governments will lose out on between $10 billion and $13 billion worth of revenue next year.

"Of that, Ottawa's hit could be on the order of about $5 billion," CIBC says. That's not an insignificant amount of money, as it's bigger than some of the more optimistic forecasts of near-term budget surpluses that the federal government recently forecasted for next year.

If Ottawa's tax revenues come in lower than expected, that could change plans in a hurry. As CIBC puts it, cheap oil could "force some yet-to-be announced restraint on the spending side to pay for tax relief already unveiled."

Deficits possible

Outside Ottawa, the provincial government in Edmonton is set to take just as big a hit.

If oil averages $70 per barrel next year (and it's worth noting the banks' estimate of $70 per barrel is more than 20 per cent higher than where oil is currently trading), CIBC says Alberta can expect a hit of about $7 billion in lost revenue.

Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland and Labrador can expect smaller hits, something in the range of between $400 million and $700 million less per year. The impact on other provinces is hard to quantify as any decline in revenue from energy is likely to be at least partly offset by increases in everything else.

The bank even goes so far as to recommend that Alberta goes into deficit, at least temporarily, until oil revenues return.

"Today's concerning energy price backdrop won't last, as the world will ultimately need oil from Canada," CIBC says. "But ... there are regional and sectoral stories that will play out for at least a year if not longer, raising the stakes for policymakers and investors who had grown accustomed to good news from the oil patch."


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All the more reason to elect someone with common sense to the PM's office.....that would not be Mr. Fluffy or the Angry Socialist.
 

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If I understand this correctly, insane amounts of money flowing out of my pockets is the desired status quo, and when it is not happening, then they are losing money.
 

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If I understand this correctly, insane amounts of money flowing out of my pockets is the desired status quo, and when it is not happening, then they are losing money.

You got it!

You should be concerned that you have some extra money each week because of low gas prices.
 

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If I understand this correctly, insane amounts of money flowing out of my pockets is the desired status quo, and when it is not happening, then they are losing money.
no they want us to believe that when it is not happening it's actually bad for us
 

EagleSmack

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no they want us to believe that when it is not happening it's actually bad for us


They sure do.


The extra money we have and the money losses for Western Oil Barons, Russian Oligarchs, Latin American Juntas, and OPEC we are told is bad.


And hell... they aren't even "losing"... their profits are down.