Guardian Suggests Canada Nationalize Oil

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It would be hard to invent a more destructive ritual of national self-punishment. Year after year, we hand oil companies gigantic tracts of pristine land. They skin them of entire ecosystems. They vacuum billions of dollars out of the country. Their oversized power, sunk into lobbying and litigation, upends government law-making.


Want a green energy future? Nationalize Canada's oil industry | Martin Lukacs | Environment | The Guardian



Canadians value that their hospitals, schools, transit, and libraries are run in the public interest. So why not our energy? Sure, the old style of nationalized companies – centralized, bureaucratic and often corrupt – is easy to criticize.

...These entities wouldn’t be run by CEOs accountable only to share-holders, or by bureaucrats accountable only to politicians: they would involve diverse boards with elected representatives of workers, consumers, and First Nations.

They could hardly squander Canada’s wealth more than those now running the industry. While oil companies have become the richest corporations in history, both federal and provincial governments have settled for capturing single-digit rents and taxes. An Alberta bumper sticker from the 1980s summed up this approach: “Please God, let there be another oil boom. I promise not to piss it all away next time.” But piss it away they have.

Take as a contrast Norway. A majority owner of Statoil, it has retained most of its oil revenue. A pension fund ensuring future savings for its citizens contains (link is external) almost a trillion dollars – that’s nearly $200,000 per person. Alberta has produced twice as much oil; its fund, meanwhile, has been pilfered by its governments and holds a paltry $18 billion. Nationalization would be a way to finally put our hands on oil money and start directing the earnings toward something useful: like investment in renewable energy and green infrastructure.

Canada’s oil corporations have made a profitable mess of the country: it’s long-past time to put them under public, democratic control.
 

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Gubmint is already the biggest beneficiary of O&G expl, devp and production in Canada.

Nationalize it and all they do is expose themselves to the heinous risks and gigantic capital costs required..... Only a nonsensical rag like the Guardian would be so incredibly stupid as to suggest it
 

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It's better to own sizable chunks of several well run corps (which we do) than wholly own one that is mismanaged and competes against the well run.
 

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That changes daily based on how the gvt institutions buy/sell their position.

Ultimately, management and control (as well as the asset base) was taken over by Suncor and flowed-through to their equity holders.
 

petros

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We (Crown asset) still own a huge chunk. Enough of a chunk for CF-18s to be sent to destroy Libya when Qaddafi wanted to liberate Suncor/Petro Canada and Nationalize it.

He won't try that again will he?
 

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Like all leftys the Guardian looks for ways to destroy good economies. We already have a good system, private industry takes the risks, government gets the royalties and if all goes well our pension plans get a share of the profits without political hacks throwing too many wrenches in the works.
 

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We already have a good system

what "system" is that? Just what is the "Harper Conservative" national energy system? Not the independent/loosely coupled actions of separate provinces going their own ways... the federal one! What's the federal energy system?

Take as a contrast Norway. A majority owner of Statoil, it has retained most of its oil revenue. A pension fund ensuring future savings for its citizens contains (link is external) almost a trillion dollars – that’s nearly $200,000 per person. Alberta has produced twice as much oil; its fund, meanwhile, has been pilfered by its governments and holds a paltry $18 billion. Nationalization would be a way to finally put our hands on oil money and start directing the earnings toward something useful: like investment in renewable energy and green infrastructure.

Canada’s oil corporations have made a profitable mess of the country: it’s long-past time to put them under public, democratic control.

just how did Norway do it... find more of a 'balance' between the environment and growth? Why... through a combination of steep carbon taxes, careful management of its oil wealth and strategic investments in innovation... there's a recipe, hey Stephen Harper? Of course, that would somewhat call into question the current BFF relationship Steve has with his extreme admiration for China's dictatorship... "Red Chinese... Commies"!!! :mrgreen:
 

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what "system" is that? Just what is the "Harper Conservative" national energy system? Not the independent/loosely coupled actions of separate provinces going their own ways... the federal one! What's the federal energy system?



just how did Norway do it... find more of a 'balance' between the environment and growth? Why... through a combination of steep carbon taxes, careful management of its oil wealth and strategic investments in innovation... there's a recipe, hey Stephen Harper? Of course, that would somewhat call into question the current BFF relationship Steve has with his extreme admiration for China's dictatorship... "Red Chinese... Commies"!!! :mrgreen:

The one the Libs wrote? Justins godfather and PetroCanada founder and all round Liberal money man Maurice lives in Beijing.

He is Canada's " go to guy" in China.

You have a lot to learn son.

just how did Norway do it... find more of a 'balance' between the environment and growth? Why... through a combination of steep carbon taxes, careful management of its oil wealth and strategic investments in innovation... there's a recipe, hey Stephen Harper?
Statoil halts multibillion-dollar Alberta oil sands project - The Globe and Mail

They did it by being Evil.
 

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so... the way to ignore (absolve???) Harper's chummy admiration for the Chinese Dick is to go back 50+ years... and... continue to play up Maurice Strong? Does Harper stay with the guy when he visits?

but hey now, that lil' distraction doesn't speak to the bold moves Norway made... does it? Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is now the world’s largest, with assets of roughly $1-Trillion... ~ $200K for each of the 5.1-million Norwegians. And Canada... err... Alberta, the Heritage Savings Trust fund is but a, relatively speaking, mere $17.5-Billion... less than $4,300 for every Albertan... just Albertan! What say you Stephen Harper and acolytes?
 

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what "system" is that? Just what is the "Harper Conservative" national energy system? Not the independent/loosely coupled actions of separate provinces going their own ways... the federal one! What's the federal energy system?



just how did Norway do it... find more of a 'balance' between the environment and growth? Why... through a combination of steep carbon taxes, careful management of its oil wealth and strategic investments in innovation... there's a recipe, hey Stephen Harper? Of course, that would somewhat call into question the current BFF relationship Steve has with his extreme admiration for China's dictatorship... "Red Chinese... Commies"!!! :mrgreen:

Were you born stupid or do you work at it?
 

waldo

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Were you born stupid or do you work at it?

why the hostility and insults... I didn't put in any of your arch-nemesis graphs!!! :mrgreen: But hey now... are you working on that request of mine? You know, the one where you spout off about the B.C. carbon tax "killing us"... and I ask you to support/substantiate your drive-by claim... will you have this soon? Still waiting... waiting... waiting...
 

petros

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so... the way to ignore (absolve???) Harper's chummy admiration for the Chinese Dick is to go back 50+ years... and... continue to play up Maurice Strong? Does Harper stay with the guy when he visits?

but hey now, that lil' distraction doesn't speak to the bold moves Norway made... does it? Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is now the world’s largest, with assets of roughly $1-Trillion... ~ $200K for each of the 5.1-million Norwegians. And Canada... err... Alberta, the Heritage Savings Trust fund is but a, relatively speaking, mere $17.5-Billion... less than $4,300 for every Albertan... just Albertan! What say you Stephen Harper and acolytes?

What is their sales tax? 25% VAT. Is what it is. That'll pay for plenty but it's all oil and Harper being evil.
 

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looks like the thread disruptors have arrived! All bluster/insult - no game! How long before the buttHurtin or cartoon pics appear?