NDP to Expand Quebec Daycare Insanity Nationally

[Colpy]

But what Mr. Mulcair didn’t say is it’s the NDP that can’t afford not to make child care a spending priority. It’s a big ticket item but it has the potential to make Mr. Mulcair look like a hero in Quebec, where he needs to hold on to more than 50 seats.
The Quebec government has made it clear that it can no longer afford to subsidize the province’s $7-a-day daycare – a program that costs $2.7-billion for 223,000 spaces. The options open to Philippe Couillard’s government range from axing the program entirely to introducing a new pricing structure that could be adjusted to reflect parental income.
But that was before Captain Quebec burst onto the scene. Mr. Mulcair said the NDP plan will build on the Quebec model – the one that is now deemed unaffordable. “We will help Quebec keep this social asset,” he said. The information sheet accompanying the press release makes it clear that the NDP plans to support the Quebec plan through direct transfers, “helping to maintain and strengthen the system”.
The news that yet more taxpayers’ money from outside Quebec is going to be poured into subsidized daycare in that province is likely to go down like a campaign to slaughter the Canadian beaver.

John Ivison: NDP’s plan to save Quebec daycare is as palatable as a campaign to kill the Canadian beaver | National Post

Not only is this plan idiotic, irresponsible, and incredibly expensive...........it will do the working poor absolutely no good.

The plan benefits relatively wealthy middle class professionals, who work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 (or thereabouts) The poor work shifts, nights, holidays, weekends...........

They are excluded.

Typical silver-spoon socialist stupidity.

 

[B00Mer]

Good for them... hope they steal some Liberal votes..

 

[petros]

The poor work shifts, nights, holidays, weekends

Industry works them same hours for damn good money.

 

[Colpy]

Industry works them same hours for damn good money.

Uh-huh.....exactly my point.

The week day, day workers are disproportionally the higer-paid workers that can best afford daycare. To subsidize daycare at $7 or $15 a day for them and the professional class, while leaving out the waitresses, the retail workers, the low end security workers, the cleaners, all the workers in those minimum wage service jobs that do NOT work while day care centres are open is simply unfair to both the workers and the tax payer.

You know the NDP would dump the Conservative monthly child payment to help support their plan.

As I said, silver-spoon socialist stupidity.

 

[lone wolf]

If you've already traded away all the big-pay industry and you're wanting to encourage people out into low pay call centre stuff so your own ecomomy can prosper, you've got to offer a deal on the baby sitter

 

[petros]

Uh-huh.....exactly my point.

The week day, day workers are disproportionally the higer-paid workers that can best afford daycare. To subsidize daycare at $7 or $15 a day for them and the professional class, while leaving out the waitresses, the retail workers, the low end security workers, the cleaners, all the workers in those minimum wage service jobs that do NOT work while day care centres are open is simply unfair to both the workers and the tax payer.

You know the NDP would dump the Conservative monthly child payment to help support their plan.

As I said, silver-spoon socialist stupidity.

We have 24hr childcare these days which costs more.

 

[Walter]

You want kids, you take care of them.

 

[Colpy]

This remains the heart of the debate. There is a strong case for subsidizing the cost of child care, particularly for single or low-income parents, to help them escape the Catch 22 they would otherwise be in: unable to take a job because they cannot afford care, unable to pay for care because they have no job. But the subsidy need not be sent to the daycare provider (or, as the NDP proposes, to the provinces, for distribution from there) to have the desired effect. It can be sent directly to parents, to be allocated to the provider of their choice.
As Shaw said, money “enables us to get what we want instead of what other people think we want.” The only way to take advantage of the NDP plan is to enrol your kids in the kinds of care they think best. Not only does not every parent want to do this: not every parent can. You have to get your kids to the centre on the centre’s hours, for starters, which leaves out those working the night shift. Whereas a cash-based system helps no matter which form of care is chosen. Which is why the NDP plan would benefit only the children in the 370,000 spaces it would eventually create, while for about the same money the UCCB benefits more than two million children now.
It’s true the Quebec program has helped many women to enter the labour force — but that was a function of the subsidy, not the particular means of delivering it. Moreover, the evidence suggests that, contrary to the claims made for it, it disproportionately benefits the well-to-do: take-up rates are more than twice as high among those in the top quartile, according to a study by economists at the Université du Québec à Montréal, as among those at the bottom. (I am indebted to the economist Stephen Gordon for pointing this out.) This is a common failing wherever benefits are distributed in kind, rather than in cash. The better-off prove to be rather better at getting to the front of the line.
Whatever its defects as policy, however, the NDP plan has the signal political advantage of putting the Liberals on the spot. The NDP is intent these days on highlighting their differences with the Liberals, forcing them to compete for the left-wing vote rather than straddling the vague centre. Having promised but failed to deliver similar plans in the past, the Liberals are vulnerable. Yet if they do follow the NDP’s lead, they risk alienating right-of-centre voters, the ones they lost to the Conservatives in 2006, many of them over just this issue.
To govern, it is said, is to choose. So is it, the Liberals are about to learn, to oppose.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...n-not-all-parents-want-their-kids-in-daycare/

My emphasis.

Told you so.

Silver-spoon socialist idiocy.

 

[Angstrom]

We should rename the NDP the feminist Party

 

[Colpy]

It’s a long-promised federal program, ostensibly aimed at parents with children, that would in fact benefit only a minority among them, with the better off hogging the lion’s share.
Well, no, I was talking about the NDP daycare plan, actually. The plan would create just 370,000 spaces, four years out, though the pre-school population numbers in excess of two million. Evidence from Quebec suggests its professed goal of charging parents no more than $15 a day per child, regardless of income, would disproportionately benefit the well-to-do, who are both most likely to work outside the home and more likely to find their way to the front of the line for scarce spaces. And since the cost of care can be deducted against their taxes, that flat rate actually works out to costing the rich less, after-tax, than the poor.
Yet the NDP plan is held up as the model of progressive legislation, while the Conservative plan, unveiled this week, is widely scorned as being of help only to a handful of rich families. In fact both major components of the Tory approach, the existing Universal Child Care Benefit, to be increased to $160 a month from $100 for each child under the age of six, and the new Family Tax Cut, otherwise known as income-splitting, for couples with children under 18, would benefit many more families than the NDP plan. More than two million parents now receive the UCCB, according to Finance department figures; income-splitting would benefit nearly as many, 1.7 million in all.

Andrew Coyne: As a work around to a true flat-tax system, you could do worse than Harper’s income-splitting benefit | National Post

Harper 2015 Four More Years

 

[taxslave]

What the dippers promise is of no concern since there is zero chance of them ever forming a government.

 

[Cannuck]

You want kids, you take care of them.

Agreed. Day care subsidies are just a round about way of subsidizing business owners anyway. Without cheap day care, workers would need higher wages to make working worth while.

 

[personal touch]

once again certain aged people of the male gender think they can make decisions for women,and really believe they can make those decisions well,but in truth in this day and age is gender really the issue when it comes to daycare?
Women or parents in general are capable of making their own decisons,particularly in the realm of daycare and more so what is best for families and children of the "system" of daycare is what we are really talking about,there are many issues to consider when examining daycare.Comments from "old thinkers'make me realize and remind me this is a new generation of young families which have arrived with new ideas and their creative thoughts regarding the issue of daycare,with this arrival of fresh thinking comes a new process of daycare discussion.I believe the lobbing effort is warranted, and long overdue,I am cheering on the lobbyists for modern daycare issues to be elevated to the status it deserves.The issues are not limited to financial,as stated there is a lot to discuss in regards to working parents and their children.

as i see the daycare issue not being a gender issue, i don't see it being a political party issue either,hence meaning it doesn't matter which political platforms take up this important cause,it is a cause which effects all Canadians,a subject which is dear to CanadiansThis issueshould be without poltical boundries,everything and everybody should work togther on this issue,political platforms or political individuals who do not take up this issue of daycare is a deadbeat,forget all the "who said with party affilation tagged on" ,it is important everyone get in on the discussion,"calling all modern day thinkers"...and yes i know about the money issue,it is always something to consider

 

[WLDB]

I wouldnt worry. The Liberals will probably take back a chunk of seats in Quebec and split the left vote leading to another Conservative government. Probably majority.

 

[peoplesadvocate]

Why is it that the conservatives have been in power through 2 minority governments and a majority government yet have done nothing to help and yet when another party comes up with an idea you say they would not be able to afford it. Please tell me sir would not the untold millions of dollars spent by Harper to pay lobbyists for the Asbestos mines been better spent on ....I don't know maybe child care ?
Who's keeping the Canadian asbestos industry alive? | Docs Talk | David Suzuki Foundation

http://www.rideauinstitute.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/exportingharmweb.pdf
India's expanding use of asbestos brings dire warnings | Asbestos: Dangers in the Dust | McClatchy DC
These are just a few sites so I ask again sir could this money have been used better elsewhere rather than to buy votes from miners and families ?

 

[Colpy]

Why is it that the conservatives have been in power through 2 minority governments and a majority government yet have done nothing to help and yet when another party comes up with an idea you say they would not be able to afford it. Please tell me sir would not the untold millions of dollars spent by Harper to pay lobbyists for the Asbestos mines been better spent on ....I don't know maybe child care ?
Who's keeping the Canadian asbestos industry alive? | Docs Talk | David Suzuki Foundation

http://www.rideauinstitute.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/exportingharmweb.pdf
India's expanding use of asbestos brings dire warnings | Asbestos: Dangers in the Dust | McClatchy DC
These are just a few sites so I ask again sir could this money have been used better elsewhere rather than to buy votes from miners and families ?

The Conservatives are working out a system flexible enough to let the family keep and spend their own money, and one that helps working families instead of well-off professionals.

 

[peoplesadvocate]

The Conservatives are working out a system flexible enough to let the family keep and spend their own money, and one that helps working families instead of well-off professionals.

Please if you back a man and a party like that even after the needless deaths of the poor workers in third world countries because he was vote hunting , His minister of Justice has lied to the citizens over and over and you are a believer in the fairy tales, he tells its your rite to vote for him. I hope most people will see him for who he is . a sociopath and you can look that up .
I could go on but people that refuse to see the truth can not be shown so I hope life works out for you.

Please if you back a man and a party like that even after the needless deaths of the poor workers in third world countries because he was vote hunting , His minister of Justice has lied to the citizens over and over and you are a believer in the fairy tales, he tells its your rite to vote for him. I hope most people will see him for who he is . a sociopath and you can look that up .
I could go on but people that refuse to see the truth can not be shown so I hope life works out for you.

Who's keeping the Canadian asbestos industry alive? | Docs Talk | David Suzuki Foundation

http://www.rideauinstitute.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/exportingharmweb.pdf

India's expanding use of asbestos brings dire warnings | Asbestos: Dangers in the Dust | McClatchy DC

 

[Nuggler]

What the dippers promise is of no concern since there is zero chance of them ever forming a government.

Hope you are right.

 

[taxslave]

once again certain aged people of the male gender think they can make decisions for women,and really believe they can make those decisions well,but in truth in this day and age is gender really the issue when it comes to daycare?
Women or parents in general are capable of making their own decisons,particularly in the realm of daycare and more so what is best for families and children of the "system" of daycare is what we are really talking about,there are many issues to consider when examining daycare.Comments from "old thinkers'make me realize and remind me this is a new generation of young families which have arrived with new ideas and their creative thoughts regarding the issue of daycare,with this arrival of fresh thinking comes a new process of daycare discussion.I believe the lobbing effort is warranted, and long overdue,I am cheering on the lobbyists for modern daycare issues to be elevated to the status it deserves.The issues are not limited to financial,as stated there is a lot to discuss in regards to working parents and their children.

as i see the daycare issue not being a gender issue, i don't see it being a political party issue either,hence meaning it doesn't matter which political platforms take up this important cause,it is a cause which effects all Canadians,a subject which is dear to CanadiansThis issueshould be without poltical boundries,everything and everybody should work togther on this issue,political platforms or political individuals who do not take up this issue of daycare is a deadbeat,forget all the "who said with party affilation tagged on" ,it is important everyone get in on the discussion,"calling all modern day thinkers"...and yes i know about the money issue,it is always something to consider

x
The only thing to consider is WHO PAYS. ANd why. It is one thing to expect taxpayers to subsidize daycare for low income people to go to work. It is quite another thing to pay for daycare for couples that make $100G plus a year or for non working mothers to have free time to go to the gym or shopping.

 

[Ron in Regina]

NDP to Expand Quebec Daycare Insanity Nationally

...but, if the rest of Canada pays for Quebec's $7/day daycare program
through the equilization program, will Quebec pay for the rest of Canada
to have the $7/day daycare program?