Justin Trudeau's abortion policy keeps people talking

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Justin Trudeau's abortion policy keeps people talking

Justin Trudeau paused, looked over the heads of reporters, and started to respond three times before finally spitting out the surprise announcement that Liberal MPs elected in 2015 would be expected to vote against putting limits on abortion.

The May edict, delivered as it was in response to a reporter's question, left some wondering whether he was making up policy on the fly. It didn't help that Trudeau and the party twice later clarified what he meant.

Liberal officials say Trudeau was simply voicing the firm ideal they've held since a 2012 policy convention, at which 90 per cent of those present affirmed the party's pro-choice stance.

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But, at the same time, they allow that the policy could also help them pick up female voters, a group they'll need to be able to cut into the suburban ridings in which the Conservatives rule.

Support for abortion rights was included in the party's green-light process, the application and interview used by every party to screen candidates.

Making it a green-light issue came about partly out of a concern, one senior party official said, that single-issue candidates would take advantage of the party's plan for open nominations and manage to get a block of social conservatives elected (although critics would argue the party's open-nomination pledge hasn't been universally applied). Trudeau's assertion that future Liberal MPs will have to vote against limiting abortion rights was meant in part to defend against those single-issue candidates.

The move to distinguish themselves from old-guard Liberals became more clear Thursday when seven former Liberal MPs released an open letter calling Trudeau "undemocratic." The group of former MPs includes two who now work with Campaign Life Coalition, which fights for legal limits on abortion.

'Happy coincidence'

The Liberals are happy to talk about their pro-choice policy, seeing it as a way to be clear they are no longer the party that included a socially conservative contingent. One senior Liberal official, who requested anonymity to be able to speak freely, said the party leadership also felt they lost women's votes over the years when they didn't take a clear position on the matter.

"There had to be a baseline stance of what the Liberal Party of Canada stands for," the official said.

Pressed on whether the party expects to attract more women with its pro-choice policy, the official agreed it was possible.

"It has that happy coincidence that it isn't going to hurt us electorally."

The party's caucus still includes a handful of anti-abortion MPs, who were left waiting for clarity when Trudeau said they'd be grandfathered into the new policy, but who seem ready to fall into line if the issue comes up for a vote in the House.

Party officials say the plan is to hold more free votes, but there are three policies on which the Liberals won't allow for a difference of opinion:

Abortion rights.
Same-sex marriage rights.
National unity.
'Times have changed'


Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, centre, with his children Xavier and Ella, left. (Todd Korol/Reuters)
​The Liberals say they've done no polling on the issue and refer to past polls that showed Canadians are split on what types of limits they want on abortion, but don't want to see a renewed debate about it.
Most recently, Trudeau has been sounding the women's rights note ever louder, arguing it's not up to a male-dominated Parliament to decide on reproductive rights.

"It is not for a room full of predominantly male legislators to take away those rights from women," Trudeau said in June.​

Trudeau repeated the sentiment this week when faced with the letter from the seven ex-Liberal MPs.

"The days when old men get to decide what a woman does with her body are long gone. Times have changed for the better," he tweeted.

Liberal MP John McKay, who would like to see limits on when women can terminate their pregnancies, seemed to sum up his party's position in an interview last May.

If the party "just doesn't want you to go there, then that's a reality, and in spite of the fact that I might think to the contrary."


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I'd like to see some stats on the male/female split on this issue. Judging by the folks I know, I don't see women in favour of abortion and men against
 

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I'd like to see some stats on the male/female split on this issue. Judging by the folks I know, I don't see women in favour of abortion and men against

From 2012:

The question.

DO YOU SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THE INTRODUCTION OF A LAW IN CANADA THAT PLACES LIMITS ON WHEN A WOMAN CAN HAVE AN ABORTION DURING HER PREGNANCY, SUCH AS DURING THE LAST TRIMESTER:

Support: Male 57% Female 62% Total 60%

Not only do the majority support limits on abortion, more women support limits that do men.

New poll shows most Canadians support abortion — with some restrictions | National Post












New poll shows most Canadians support abortion — with some restrictions | National Post
 

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In 2014, there exists a Conservative party that doesn't care about you Colpy.

And other parties that care even less.
 

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In 2014, there exists a Conservative party that doesn't care about you Colpy.

And other parties that care even less.

What??

A completely typical "progressive" response..........when slapped with a fact, go off-topic and insult, even if it isn't coherent.
 

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Here's another poll from 2012:

The Angus Reid Opinion Poll of 1,001 online participants across the country was released Thursday. In particular, when female respondents were asked if they favoured any abortion restrictions, 53% said yes. Then asked if there should be laws governing whether women could abort a fetus based “solely on the gender,” 66% of women agreed

Law limiting sex-based abortion supported by majority of Canadians: poll | National Post

Here is a overview of abortion polls, allbeit published by an anti-abortion group:

Abortion Polls

Another overview of abortion polling, from an evangelical group I think we can assume is anti-abortion.

http://files.efc-canada.net/si/Abortion/AbortionPollingPaperFebruary2012.pdf
 

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Best we get it all out now, and get to really know the shiny pony.
Turns out he seems a fool.
Unlike his daddy who was an eel.
All things to all people.
Unfortunately, four more years of Harper is repugnant.
What's a person to do ?
There used to be some fine, intelligent people,
both in the Liberal and Progressive Conservative parties.
They seem to have been co-opted.
Or just got tired
And left.
Sad.

I think I'll not vote.
But whine anyways.
 

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For me it's do what you want (even though you'll regret it) but pay for it yourself AND the after care 10-20 years down the road.
 

petros

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Colpy...why are you worried about shots across the bow? This is just a tactic to ruffle reform feathers to try and reignite the divide.
 

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Colpy...why are you worried about shots across the bow? This is just a tactic to ruffle reform feathers to try and reignite the divide.

I'm just making a point.....

Polls overwhelmingly show Canadians in favour of some restrictions on abortion.........although I did find ONE poll that shows the opposite..

Abortion In Canada: Poll Shows Spike In Support For Unrestricted Access

Pro-abortion groups seem VERY hesitant to poll.

I wonder why??

:)

The "progressive" mantra that the vast majority of women support unrestricted access to abortion is simply BS. No doubt about it. This should NEVER be framed as a male vs female debate.

And, of course, Trudeau is an idiot. :)

As long as people keep talking about him, the more people will realize that fact.
 

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What??

A completely typical "progressive" response..........when slapped with a fact, go off-topic and insult, even if it isn't coherent.

I was actually sympathizing with you buddy, but if you want to take the curmudgeonly route, that's fine.
 

petros

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True but the anti rights crowd will waste everyones time on it while we should be concerned about the economy. That is where just-in really falls down.

What Rights? Decriminalization doesn't make something a Right.

No, issues like ISIS are the last thing on people's minds.

This takes second last place.

$$$ #1 and always will be.
 

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That's only because more people have been socially conditioned to think that way.
 

petros

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Why? Nobody liked money until the turn of the millennium or they've had to live without and won't let that happen again?