Ukraine and Russia make progress on ceasefire


mentalfloss
#1
Today we're close to war, tomorrow we're close to a ceasefire.

Ukraine crisis: Ceasefire agreement reached, Poroshenko says

The office of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Wednesday that he and Russian President Vladimir Putin have reached agreement on a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine, but there was no immediate indication that the fighting would stop.

The brief statement said "mutual understanding was reached regarding the steps that will contribute to the establishment of peace" but gave no details.

"The result of the conversation was agreement on a permanent ceasefire in the Donbass," the statement said, using the collective term for the eastern Ukraine regions.

Vladimir Antyfeyev, a senior leader of the Russia-backed rebels whom Ukrainian forces have been fighting since April, told The Associated Press he could not say whether the separatists would adhere to a ceasefire because he was not commanding the forces. "But I definitely welcome this," he said.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/ukrai...says-1.2753912
 
mentalfloss
#2
Good news just doesn't sell these days.
 
mentalfloss
#3
Ukraine crisis: Petro Poroshenko says ceasefire could come tomorrow - World - CBC News
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
+2
#4  Top Rated Post
Isn'tthis kind of what Hitler did? Talk of reunification and all that--"OK we're done now, no need to worry about us, just wanted our land back" and then marched into Poland?
 
petros
#5
There won't be reunification. Russia is dead.
 
Grievous
No Party Affiliation
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

There won't be reunification. Russia is dead.



Apparently though, we have to spend billions to get ready for this war....so says Colpy and NATO.
 
petros
#7
We do. Enjoy watching an empire go down the toilet.
 
Grievous
No Party Affiliation
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

We do. Enjoy watching an empire go down the toilet.



No we don't...media hype.


We just need to get Russians and Muslims out of our country.
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by GrievousView Post

Apparently though, we have to spend billions to get ready for this war....so says Colpy and NATO.

And me. Putin will move in the North. And not's that we should spend billions just because of that, we should spend billions because we are a rich country adn we have systematically under-resourced our military, in my opinion.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

And me.

Si vis pacem para bellum.
 
Grievous
No Party Affiliation
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

And me. Putin will move in the North. And not's that we should spend billions just because of that, we should spend billions because we are a rich country adn we have systematically under-resourced our military, in my opinion.


Military for what?


I know a dude in our military, wanna talk waste?


How about being more efficient instead of pouring more money into it.


It's a con thing, money for the poor....who cares...money for military; well I saw this movie once where they made a giant robot and it was called pacific rim, I want that....oh and btw , I don't want one single increase in tax to pay for it.


Why, because cowards never want to sacrifice anything.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by GrievousView Post

Military for what?


I know a dude in our military, wanna talk waste?


How about being more efficient instead of pouring more money into it.


It's a con thing, money for the poor....who cares...money for military; well I saw this movie once where they made a giant robot and it was called pacific rim, I want that....oh and btw , I don't want one single increase in tax to pay for it.


Why, because cowards never want to sacrifice anything.

We have been fortunate enough to have lived under the nuclear umbrella provided by the USA, and our NATO allies. We have not paid our share in 50 years, ever sice we elected that scumball, Trudeau the Elder.

You and the other "progressives" on these threads are exactly the equivalent of the "peace at any cost" crew in Europe between the wars. They, at least, had a damned good excuse: having sacrificed an entire generation in a pointless meatgrinder of a war between 1914 and 1918, they simply could not bring themselves to resist the rise of Germany in the 1930s.

How did that work out for them??

A few things you learn through a cursory examination of modern history:

1. Appeasement of expansionist tyrants is a strategic mistake.

2. Wars start when the trigger-lines are not clearly understood.

3. If you want peace, prepare for war.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

We have been fortunate enough to have lived under the nuclear umbrella provided by the USA, and our NATO allies. We have not paid our share in 50 years, ever sice we elected that scumball, Trudeau the Elder.

Wait, weren't you just telling me how stalwart and excellent the Canadian squaddie is, so very, very much better than the dumb Yanks?
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#14
Oh for God's sake before this is over the Russians, Americans, Brits, French and the civilized world
will be openly fighting the Muslim world. ISIS demonstrates the next fascist threat religion is the
avenue of the Zealot and there is no turning back. Each day we watch while the thugs take more land
kill more women and children and still we talk about how we might find some measure to stop their
advance. There is a way Air, Sea and land bombardment with troops on the ground where ever they
pop up. The time has come to wake up and understand moderate Muslims will stand up and be
counted or lumped in with those who want to do us harm.
The time has come to say Enough is Enough
 
darkbeaver
Republican
+1
#15
http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/ (external - login to view)
Thursday, September 4, 2014

September 4th 23:53 UTC/ZULU Ukraine SITREP: Maybe, just maybe? (external - login to view)


Many major developments to report today. First, though I was trying very hard to contain my excitement over the past days, the level of success the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF) against the Junta Repression Forces (JRF) appears to be absolutely amazing and, should Mariupol fall, which appears to be likely, I would speak of a strategic victory, something which I am normally extremely reluctant to do, especially when speaking to a force which only recently was a volunteer militia force. How could that possibly have happened?
Military situation:

I think that there is a second expression which now can be used without exaggeration: all the signs are that the JRF have reached their breaking point: this is the moment when a military force suddenly and completely collapses, like a damn which blows out under the pressure of water. The JRF is not retreating on one, two or even three directions, it is retreating everywhere (except north of Lugansk). Entire battalions are leaving the front under orders of their battalion commanders and without the approval of the Junta leaders. At least one such battalion commander is already being judged for desertion. The entire Ukie leadership seems to be in a panic mode, especially Iatseniuk and Kolomoiski, while the Nazis are mad as hell at the Poroshenko administration. There are constant rumors of an anti-Poroshenko coup by outraged Nazi nationalists. And then, there are the absolutely staggering Ukrainian losses. There is one such list which I reader sent me who, according to my reader, was published on Zero Hedge, but I could not find it there. I did find it here (external - login to view) though:
Ukrainian forces casualties and losses 2 May - 21 August
Casualties
Total: 32.702
Dead and wounded: 20.274
Prisoner, deserters and missing: 12.418
Destroyed or captured materiel:
I. Aviation
Attack
- 16 Su-25 (one captured 7 July)
Bomber
- 7 Su-24
Fighter
- 2 MiG-29
Recon
- 1 AN-30
- 6 drones
Transport
- 2 AN-26
- 2 IL 76
I.a Helicopters
- 20 attack and transport Mi-24, Mi-17 y Mi-8
II. Ground forces materiel
Tanks Total: 347 ( 68 captured )
- 319 T-64 ( 65 captured )
- 2 T-64 Bulat
- 7 T-72 ( 3 captured )
- 19 T-84-U Oplot
Armored vehicles Total: 602 ( 119 captured )
- 163 BMP Infantry Fighting Vehicle, tracked ( 69 capturados )
- 125 BMD IFV Paratroopers, tracked ( 9 captured )
- 312 BTR Armored Personnel Carrier, wheeled ( 39 captured )
- 2 BRDM Scout Vehicle, wheeled ( 2 captured )
Artillery Total: 180 ( 122 captured pieces )
- 4 SO-203 2S7 "Pion" 203mm
- 5 SAU 2S3 "Acacia" 152mm (1 captured )
- 30 SAU 122 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm ( 25 captured )
- 2 Mortars 2S4 Tyulpan 240mm(2 captured
- 6 Mortars SAU Nona 120mm (6 captured )
- 21 Antiaircraft guns ZU 23-2 ( 18 captured )
- 24 Rocket launcher Grad 122mm ( 24 captured )
- 11 Rocket launcher Uragan 220mm (4 captured )
- 45 howitzer D-30 122mm ( 10 captured )
- 32 mortars82mm ( 32 captured )
Trucks and cars Total: 153 (124 captured )
- 5 Hummer
- Jeep
- 25-66 GaZ
- Staff car
- Mobile crane
- 1 ZIL 131
- 2 KrAZ
- 58 Ural trucks
- 69 Kamaz trucks
- 4 UAZ 469
Last edited by von Junzt; 23 Aug 14 at 07:42

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

There won't be reunification. Russia is dead.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Oh for God's sake before this is over the Russians, Americans, Brits, French and the civilized world
will be openly fighting the Muslim world. ISIS demonstrates the next fascist threat religion is the
avenue of the Zealot and there is no turning back. Each day we watch while the thugs take more land
kill more women and children and still we talk about how we might find some measure to stop their
advance. There is a way Air, Sea and land bombardment with troops on the ground where ever they
pop up. The time has come to wake up and understand moderate Muslims will stand up and be
counted or lumped in with those who want to do us harm.
The time has come to say Enough is Enough

Ah no they will not. ISIS is an assembled proxy army of mercenary scum that fights for western money. We are not likely to discharge our employees too early.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#16
Kiev, E. Ukraine militia agree on ceasefire starting 1500 GMT Friday (external - login to view)
RT | September 5, 2014

Kiev officials and representatives of the two self-proclaimed republics in southeastern Ukraine have agreed to a ceasefire, as the contact group met behind closed doors in Belarus.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has confirmed the ceasefire agreement on his Twitter account. continue (external - login to view)





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mentalfloss
+1
#17
Kind of underlines how overblown this whole thing is when you're officially announcing a ceasefire on twitter.
 
MHz
#18
Must be because the troops manning the guns aren't allowed to tweet so the shelling goes on.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Kind of underlines how overblown this whole thing is when you're officially announcing a ceasefire on twitter.

I don't think it's possible for the " thing " to be overblown seeing how this is the front against Russia that absolutely must be had by NATO.
The ceasefire will certainly be breached by Kiev as soon as it makes up the horrific losses it sustained in the east and the certainty of that is well understood by the eastern rebels, so they will strike first while Kiev is in a state of confusion. There is also a very good chance of another coup.
 
petros
#20
He isn't old enough to understand Soviets and a lot have forgotten who they are but the Soviet "rebels" are Russian Soviets not rebels. Bolshevik cocksuckers.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

He isn't old enough to understand Soviets and a lot have forgotten who they are but the Soviet "rebels" are Russian Soviets not rebels. Bolshevik cocksuckers.

Bolshevik and Yanky cocksuckers - the clash of empires. Coming soon to Playstation 4. Obama can't leave office without a good proxy war. All bluff and no bluster. Everybody knows the end game would involve nukes, then nobody wins Jack. All this is smoke screen and mirrors. What do they want you to not look at? Perhaps that ISIS is a Pentagon contractor? ISIS home page: https://public.isishq.com/public/SitePages/Home.aspx (external - login to view)
 
petros
#22
Energy and farmland are hot commodities to save the world from global warming. This is the outcome of environmental panic to consume more NG and control food.

Agri-Giants are flexing NATO beef fed muscle while power and heating battle over NG.

Greens have no clue who they are backing.

GE and Cargill thank you for your support.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

He isn't old enough to understand Soviets and a lot have forgotten who they are but the Soviet "rebels" are Russian Soviets not rebels. Bolshevik cocksuckers.

It's true. I'm not old enough to know the hate, maybe you grew up hearing about it. I'm stuck with reading about it. The Romans never came back and neither are the Soviets. Time has moved along.Eurasia Movement Interviews Boris Nad on Novorossiya (external - login to view)


Bovdunov: How do you assess the current events in the east of Ukraine? What is the meaning of the current geopolitical conflict?

Nad: On the face of it this is a conflict between two nations – Ukrainian and Russian. At least that’s how it’s represented in the Western media. And that is, of course, deeply wrong. Western media have kept silent about, or are hiding the fact that “the Ukrainian nation” and “the Ukrainian state” actually has never really existed in history. It is no doubt a cheap media trick and ruthless manipulation.
The “Majdan” movement in Kiev showed the true face of the so-called Ukrainian national revolution: one in which pro-American and pro-NATO liberals are united with Ukrainian neo-Nazis, followers of Bandera. All this was made possible with the generous assistance from and organizing of the United States. After the coup in Kiev, quite expectedly, was followed by a campaign of terror against a large portion of the population of Ukraine.

In the former Ukraine today it is not a conflict between two nations, but titanic clash of two geopolitical poles (two, not three). These two poles are America, with its satellites, and Russia. There is no third party. The first force is on the side of the uniform, the liberal, and the totalitarian unipolar world, overt American hegemony; while the other – Russia, represents a multipolar world, with their very different
traditions; a multipolar world that is still in the making. In the conflict in Novorossia it is therefore possible to see its many dimensions: geopolitical, ideological, historical, ethnic, religious … but, in its deepest essence, it is an age-old conflict of the earth and the sea, land and ocean, of course in a new form. It’s just a new form of the ancient continents of the Great War, of which Alexander Dugin has spoken inspiringly.

Bovdunov: How important is the conflict in Novorossia for Europe? Is there a single position of European countries in relation to this conflict?

Nad: The war in Ukraine is of crucial importance for Europe. That is the war in Europe, for the real continental Europe, and not that liberal creation in Brussels, Maastricht and Lisbon, which is in reality a zone of US occupation in the territory of Eurasia. Unfortunately many Europeans are not aware of that. Those who are aware come to the forefront in defense Novorossia and support its heroic struggle, because it is not just a fight for freedom of Novorossia, but also the struggle for the freedom of Europe; for the freedom of diversity, for the continent, for the tradition, and against American liberal totalitarianism.

A single and clear position of European countries regarding the conflict in the former Ukraine does not exist for one obvious reason: The European Union is neither a sovereign nor an independent force, it is not an independent geopolitical factor, but only branches of the United States, and quite second-rate at that. All that the EU has done so far during on the crisis of the former Ukraine was to the detriment of Europe and Russia.
Because today the struggle of the Novorossian heroes is for all true Europeans, or at least those who do not want to be slaves to the “new world order” in the American way; it provides an example that should be followed.

Bovdunov: What are the interests of Europe with regard to Ukraine? What would be the most acceptable geopolitical reconfiguration of the space to Europe?
Nad: As we have already said, there is no such thing that could be called the “geopolitics of the European Union.” The European Union has failed to establish itself as a separate geopolitical factor, with their own interests that are different from the interests of the United States. We believe that this will change for the better in the future, but a necessary precondition for it is the further decline of American hegemony. Until then, the EU remains only as an American bridgehead on the ground of Eurasia, in fact it is the American occupation zone. This EU everywhere and always acts against the interests of Europe.
It is therefore not only necessary for there to be a geopolitical reconfiguration of the former Soviet space, but also geopolitical reconfiguration of the whole of Europe, including the European Union. In other words, the EU itself should begin with deep structural reform and questioning their own geopolitical role. It is necessary immediately but at present the European political elite, or rather pseudo-elite, is simply not capable. Just look at the role of Germany, which behaves as an American vassal. Germany today, however, is an occupied country.
As a first step, it is necessary to recognize the statehood of Novorossia, something which the West, for now, stubbornly refuses. The entire Ukraine is, after all, historically undoubtedly part of the “Russian world”, and so should remain so. Except maybe its western part, having primarily the mentality of Uniatic Galicia, which is a kind of transitional area towards Central Europe.
The future free continental Europe will have an overriding interest in a free and powerful Russia, and with an agreement with Russia. And that is the key to Europe’s future.

Bovdunov: Is Europe ready for a war in the case of more open Russian involvement in the military conflict?

Nad: Not even NATO is prepared to enter into an open war with Russia over Ukraine. Engagement of the North Atlantic alliance therefore boils down to supplying the Kiev Junta with arms, mercenaries and military advisers; but as you can see it is not enough to decide the outcome of the war. They failed to break Novorossian desire for freedom.
The American position is much clearer: they are willing to take the war to the last Ukrainian, and the last European. And both of them here are intended to be “cannon fodder”.




Bovdunov: What is the impact of the war on relations between Russia and Europe? – How can we evaluate the ideological component of a new war in Europe? Why do you think in the case of the Ukrainian side there are battalions of National Socialists sponsored by Jewish oligarchs, and in the case of the rebels are fighting alongside each other nationalists, Orthodox traditionalists and people nostalgic for the Soviet Union?

Nad: America’s interest is to provoke and deepen the rift between Europe and Russia, and that from an American perspective, is one of the main goals of the war which is now dominant in the former Ukraine. A balanced position from the Kremlin has contributed to the fact that the split does not become insurmountable, of course provided that the EU does not follow unquestioningly in its the future course the dictates of Washington. EU would have to take a much more independent position.
The alliance of Ukrainian Nazis and Ukrainian oligarchs is an obvious fact. On the other hand, the uprising that began in eastern Ukraine has an obvious social dimension: it is among other things, the uprising of the people against the oligarchs, against a deep social injustice and corruption, which embodies the Kievan junta. In our opinion, an alliance of traditionalists and nationalists with the Communists, or those who harbor nostalgia for the USSR, ostensibly left and ostensibly right is natural and desirable. In a sense, that is the concretization of Eurasianism, the embodiment of the “fourth theory,” the “fourth way”.
It is interesting that something similar is happening in Europe, where there is a very broad, ideologically and politically diverse front supporting Russia and Novorossia. In short, all those today who are opposed to American, Western hegemony, NATO, liberalism, etc., naturally supports the Novorossia fight for freedom. Those who are on the side of the Kiev junta are fighting for the United States and its planetary hegemony.

Bovdunov: Why in the case of Ukraine was the idea of a “third way” used as a tool of global hegemony? Do you share this position? Is it possible to carry out some historical analogy to the current conflict?

Nad: First, the position of the ideologues of “Right sector” is openly racist: a commonplace scheme of “The right sector” and its followers. “Ukrainians” are civilized “Europeans”, “white”; Russians are “Asians”, “yellow”, “barbarians”, or simply “subhuman”. And there can be found many historical analogies. Basically, though in a veiled way, that’s the official position of America and the European Union, which now as before marks a profound and pathological Russophobia.
The idea of ​​a “third way” of Ukraine, Ukraine aside from the “West” – America, and the “East” – Russia, is just as meaningless. See what it leads to in practice. Kiev Junta, subjecting/subordinating to Washington, alone abolished the Ukrainian sovereignty and destroyed the Ukrainian statehood. The authorities in Kiev and the so-called “Ukrainian nationalists” are merely “useful idiots” of the West.
So there is no “third way” or “third pole” in the modern geopolitical conflict, nor can there be. There are only two: the Land and Sea, and Russia an
 
gore0bsessed
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

We have been fortunate enough to have lived under the nuclear umbrella provided by the USA, and our NATO allies. We have not paid our share in 50 years, ever sice we elected that scumball, Trudeau the Elder.

You and the other "progressives" on these threads are exactly the equivalent of the "peace at any cost" crew in Europe between the wars. They, at least, had a damned good excuse: having sacrificed an entire generation in a pointless meatgrinder of a war between 1914 and 1918, they simply could not bring themselves to resist the rise of Germany in the 1930s.

How did that work out for them??

A few things you learn through a cursory examination of modern history:

1. Appeasement of expansionist tyrants is a strategic mistake.

2. Wars start when the trigger-lines are not clearly understood.

3. If you want peace, prepare for war.

Screw off you war mongering neanderthal... The only reason we haven't had a 9/11 or a 7/7 on our soil is because of our history of being relatively peaceful and staying out of wars we don't belong in. Thank Trudeau for that.
We also don't need to be spending trillions of dollars on military expenditures in detriment to our standard of living.
 
petros
#25
Shouldn't the root of Europe be part of Europe?
 
MHz
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Shouldn't the root of Europe be part of Europe?

They would rather be known as the scrotum of Iceland (I mean that in the kindest of terms)
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Shouldn't the root of Europe be part of Europe?

Europe is a collection of broken vassal states. Eurasian autonomy can free Europe from the Zionist Empires scourge.
 
MHz
#28
Precisely, and if we are lucky enough to wreck our economy quickly enough we won't have enough gas in the tank to get across the pond to help make things even worse. Besides the farmers in the Dakotas have discovered the internet and are now following the Canadian weather channel for storms like the one coming through Alberta at the start of this week. -1 mean the dog poop is stiff, what it does when it hits GOM air is a different story. How does that saying go, 'Better there than here.'?

Let's hope we aren't dead cattle come the first spring.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#29
I see no good reason not to wreak the crooked economy since it's plainly about the business of wreaking us little people. Fukk the economy first.

Well that was one of the limpest cease fires ever suggested, and that's all it was, a suggestion of a ceasefire. Ukraine is split forever now.
 
MHz
#30
Knowing it is coming isn't an invitation to help it on it's way. It works better when their own creation begins to feed on the wrong 'party'. If Murphy can get through the best laid plans of mice and men (men and the next level of being) then IAM makes thinks look just too slick to even be possible to even be planned let alone carried out to perfection, yet, . . . . game/set/match in one stroke (with a bent up putter)

Is this the European version of ISIS?
https://public.isishq.com/public/SitePages/Home.aspx (external - login to view)
 
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