David Suzuki says Canada is "full"


joshcanuck
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Recently, David Suzuki commented that Canada was “full” regarding immigration (http://goo.gl/2PBcxR (external - login to view)). According to the CIA World Factbook Canada’s population density is ranked 184th in population density out of 196 nations in 2006. Only Iceland and Australia are ranked lower out of the first world nations. The United States, by comparison, was ranked 142nd.[1] To say that Canada is “full” is an outrageous comment by an otherwise intelligent man. The fact that is it coming from the mouth of a man whose parents undoubtedly immigrated to Canada, like most of the Canadian population, makes them even more bizarre. The country was founded on immigration and is still built upon immigration. With the baby boomers becoming elderly, we will depend on immigrants to take their places in society to ensure that professional positions in society are filled. In 1961, the number of children per family was 2.7, but, during the last census in 2011, the number of children fell to 1.9 children per family.[2] That is a decrease of 0.8 children per couple. If this trend continues, our population will actually decrease if we do not allow any immigration. A decreased population may seem like a good thing to environmentalists such as David Suzuki but this view is underdeveloped. The fact is, not allowing people to immigrate into our country does not mean they don’t exist. People have already been born and are already contributing to the world’s population. The world population is still increasing dramatically regardless of if we allow new immigrants into Canada. Even if the Canadian population were to remain low or even decline, we would still increasingly export our resources to third world countries and continue to function in an unsustainable way, no matter if we were “full” or not. Canada should be opening its doors to migrants. Stopping people form migrating into our country does not stop the overall growth of the planet’s population.
Furthermore, I believe that increased immigration would improve the global population. The fact that the average Canadian couple only has 1.9 children is a reflection of a well-educated and working population. Canadian families are not forced to have children to help support their family by working in the fields or farms, like what can happen in other countries. We are able to choose how many children we feel like having, and more often than not, we have fewer children. So, by allowing immigration, we allow these new families to also have a choice, and I think they too will have a smaller sized family. Unlike in other countries, there are no outside pressures to have more children here. For example, if a family in another country only conceives girls, they may be forced to conceive again, for the hope of having a boy. Situations like these help drive the global population up. However, if we allow these families into Canada, it will give them a choice too, and I believe they will also choose to have fewer children. Therefore, allowing people into first world nations would ultimately lower the global population. According to the 2013 CIA World Factbook, Canada’s population grew by only 0.76% which ranks 144th globally. Population growth is not a major concern for Canada at this point in time and the more people that immigrate here that would now be able to make their own choices on family size, the more people would have fewer children than what they would have had if they had stayed in a third world country.
The idea of allowing only those that are in great need into our country such as those with refugee status is also of poor judgment. The Canadian government allows an average of 250,000 immigrants a year. Of those, about 34,000 are refugees.[3] If the government only allowed refugees into Canada, our population would still be in decline and that would still have a negative impact on the country.
The argument shouldn’t be about how many people we allow to immigrate but how we will integrate these new Canadians into our society. Many people who are lucky enough to migrate here are not able to contribute to our economy as they would like because we do not recognize the accomplishments that they have achieved in their home country, such as a legal and medical degrees. Many immigrants come here thinking that they will be able to find work but are unable to, even though their expertise is needed for our growing economy. Canada needs immigration to help build its infrastructure. The problem is simply that immigrants do not receive the kind of credentials in Canada as they did in their native country. Canada should be more focused on allowing migrants to use their skills here to help Canada grow, instead of complaining that we are too full.
I believe that Canada was and still is built on immigration and we have more than enough room to allow immigrants in. To say they cannot come into our beautiful country makes us sound prejudiced and racist. If it is truly full, then maybe all of us with European decent should go back to our native countries as well.
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[1] all countries of the world listed by highest population density (external - login to view)

[2] Fifty years of families in Canada: 1961 to 2011 (external - login to view)

[3] Immigration to Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)


 
taxslave
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If Suzuki really felt Canada is full he can sell all his houses and leave. He can be replaced by people that want to expand the economy, not destroy it.
 
B00Mer
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JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

If Suzuki really felt Canada is full he can sell all his houses and leave. He can be replaced by people that want to expand the economy, not destroy it.


Or he could move to Ellesmere Island, or maybe even Porcher Island if he promises to behave!
 
Praxius
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David lost his marbles years ago.... the Sarah Palin of Canada.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

David lost his marbles years ago.... the Sarah Palin of Canada.


That would be a good trade!
 
Ludlow
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I don't know how Y'all stand that freezing cold weather. To each his own I suppose.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

I don't know how Y'all stand that freezing cold weather. To each his own I suppose.


We haven't had any of that for a couple of months!
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

I don't know how Y'all stand that freezing cold weather. To each his own I suppose.

We take all the ignorant tourists who freeze to death and use their bodies as insulation in our igloos.

Yes, come one come all to the Great Land of Canada. Come visit and see why we're well known for being friendly and helpful. Nice picturesque landscapes, lots of space, natural beauty, great food, etc. etc...... why wouldn't you come to visit?

Oh look Ricky, another one froze to death.

Shove em in the wall, we got a draft.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

I don't know how Y'all stand that freezing cold weather. To each his own I suppose.



The trick is the electric underwear, just don't piss yourself.. could be deadly.


Oh, EH! EH Oh!!

Never leave home with out your texting mitt.



Make sure to always give the right of way to the wild animals on our Freeways..



...and don't forget to shut the door behind you.. beware of peeping bears.



Helloooooooo ???
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

We take all the ignorant tourists who freeze to death and use their bodies as insulation in our igloos.

Yes, come one come all to the Great Land of Canada. Come visit and see why we're well known for being friendly and helpful. Nice picturesque landscapes, lots of space, natural beauty, great food, etc. etc...... why wouldn't you come to visit?

Oh look Ricky, another one froze to death.

Shove em in the wall, we got a draft.

Long winters in those igloos gives a person plenty of time to work on their witty lines and cute statements. There's a positive side to anything it seems..

Reminds me of the Guy in the Harvard bar that Matt Damon has a conversation with. I love it.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

We take all the ignorant tourists who freeze to death and use their bodies as insulation in our igloos.

Yes, come one come all to the Great Land of Canada. Come visit and see why we're well known for being friendly and helpful. Nice picturesque landscapes, lots of space, natural beauty, great food, etc. etc...... why wouldn't you come to visit?

Oh look Ricky, another one froze to death.

Shove em in the wall, we got a draft.

I think your humor is being influenced by Australian Film and True Crime.

 
Grievous
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The world is to full.


This idea of endless growth is insane.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

I don't know how Y'all stand that freezing cold weather. To each his own I suppose.

I pllowed my driveway once in the last two years. It is colder in the middle of the US than where I live.

Quote: Originally Posted by GrievousView Post

The world is to full.


This idea of endless growth is insane.

So you and suzuki can leave. Then there will be two more open spaces.
 
Grievous
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

I pllowed my driveway once in the last two years. It is colder in the middle of the US than where I live.



So you and suzuki can leave. Then there will be two more open spaces.



Well thought out response.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by GrievousView Post

Well thought out response.

Thank you.

I never make any other kind.
 
Grievous
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Thank you.

I never make any other kind.


I've noticed.
 
DaSleeper
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Is David Suzuki still a eugenicist?
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Is David Suzuki still a eugenicist?

Is that the new PC term for Bull S$it artist?
 
captain morgan
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I think that's what they call guys that specialize in studying the mating habits of fruit flys
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

I think that's what they call guys that specialize in studying the mating habits of fruit flys

Oh. I thought he traded brains with one.
 
Blackleaf
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Eight people per square mile and a country the same size as the whole of Europe but with a population the same size as Uganda and you're full?

A country eight times less crowded than Northumberland, England's least crowded county?

If you want to see what crowded's really like you should come to Britain, especially England. Or go to India.

Monaco, the world's second-smallest country, is the most crowded country. It has 33,000 people but somehow manages to have almost 44,000 people per square mile.
 
Corduroy
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This is a year old, by the way. This is one of those existential moments. Do you hate everything David Suzuki says or do you hate immigrants? Can't do both.
Last edited by Corduroy; Jul 30th, 2014 at 10:09 AM..
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Eight people per square mile and a country the same size as the whole of Europe but with a population the same size as Uganda and you're full?

A country eight times less crowded than Northumberland, England's least crowded county?

If you want to see what crowded's really like you should come to Britain, especially England. Or go to India.

Monaco, the world's second-smallest country, is the most crowded country. It has 33,000 people but somehow manages to have almost 44,000 people per square mile.


It depends on the type of people.........8 people per square mile in most cases isn't crowded, but with people like you, it would be jammed!
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

If Suzuki really felt Canada is full he can sell all his houses and leave. He can be replaced by people that want to expand the economy, not destroy it.

What Horse sh-t! Why don't you tell us how many houses Doctor David Suzuki owns? How many should he own. Good grief, the guy is respected all over the wo\rld for his science, He's written several dozen books. He deserves at least your respect.
 
Corduroy
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Is it wrong for David Suzuki to own multiple houses? Wow, I never expected the IM A TAXPAYER crowd to switch sides in the class war.

Welcome, comrades. We have vodka.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

What Horse sh-t! Why don't you tell us how many houses Doctor David Suzuki owns? How many should he own. Good grief, the guy is respected all over the wo\rld for his science, He's written several dozen books. He deserves at least your respect.


Opinions about Suzuki run the gamut!
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Opinions about Suzuki run the gamut!

Interesting. How did you form your opinion?
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Interesting. How did you form your opinion?


I don't have a strong opinion, but I must admit it's a lot higher than my opinion of Paul Watson. There has to be a happy medium, we have to preserve the species of the planet in sufficient numbers to continue and people have to have access to a reasonable level of prosperity.
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Interesting. How did you form your opinion?

Some kind of internal dialogue

Who is David Suzuki?
An environmentalist.
That's sounds leftist.
It is.


 
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