Northern Gateway pipeline approved with 209 conditions


mentalfloss
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Northern Gateway pipeline approved with 209 conditions

The federal government has agreed to let Enbridge build its Northern Gateway pipeline, subject to 209 conditions recommended by the National Energy Board and further talks with aboriginal communities.

Enbridge wants to build the pipeline from Bruderheim, Alta., to Kitimat, B.C.

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair called it "folly" and "pure madness" to think anyone can put supertankers in British Columbia's Douglas Channel.

Both Mulcair and Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said they would reverse the decision to accept the National Energy Board's pipeline approval. Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, environmental groups and First Nations reacted quickly to news of the federal approval, releasing statements opposing it.

Nathan Cullen, the NDP's finance critic and an MP who represents an area the pipeline would traverse, said the approval is "an arrogant, Ottawa-based" decision.

"Conservative MPs know that. They will be held to account for this," Cullen said.

Conservative MPs 'hiding'
Mulcair said Conservative MPs from British Columbia are "hiding under their desks right now" because the pipeline is already an election issue in the province.

Trudeau said British Columbians aren't opposed to economic development, but want it done right.

"This government has actually hindered our ability to get our resources to market by not doing its homework … not building the right kinds of partnerships with communities," Trudeau said.

Art Sterritt, executive director of British Columbia's Coastal First Nations, said he's looking to B.C. Premier Christy Clark to stop the project. In a news release, Sterritt warned that First Nations are weighing a range of legal and direct action responses, but will wait to see what Enbridge does.

"We’ll see if Enbridge dares to put its shovels in the ground," Sterritt said in the release. "First Nations and our allies will protect our rights and the interests of future generations. We will never allow oil tankers into our territorial waters."

Mulcair also warned of protests against the pipeline.

"We're talking about a severe threat to social order, social peace, not only in British Columbia, but in Canada, if Mr. Harper continues to ignore science, continues to ignore First Nations," Mulcair said.

May said the terrain under which the pipeline would pass is rugged but fragile, making it extremely hard to clean up any spill.

"Every First Nation along the route opposes the project," she added.

More permits needed before construction can start
The federal approval is one more step in a long line of permits necessary for Enbridge to get access to the Pacific coast to ship crude to Asia.

The federal regulatory process began in May 2010 when Enbridge submitted its application to the National Energy Board.

Earlier Tuesday, the NDP and Liberals seized on the drawbacks to approving the pipeline, devoting much of question period to the Northern Gateway project.

Mulcair listed the opponents of the pipeline.

"Municipalities? Kitimat. Terrace. Prince Rupert. Smithers. They all say no," he said.

"Over 130 First Nations across B.C.? They all say no. Three-hundred scientists? They all say no. The prime minister endorsed this pipeline publicly three years ago. No matter what evidence, how many people speak out, how many people stand up against him, he keeps pushing this project."

Northern Gateway pipeline approved with 209 conditions
 
Locutus
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so many mad people...that's a shame.
 
mentalfloss
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There might be moar mad people after the next election.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

There might be moar mad people after the next election.

Yep- Liberals as I see it.
Ontario economy is tanking, guess who wears that.
Ontario has also been split - Fed Cons- Lib provincial - or reversed.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Yep- Liberals as I see it.
Ontario economy is tanking, guess who wears that.
Ontario has also been split - Fed Cons- Lib provincial - or reversed.

Yea if the curse holds, we will have a Con federal government.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Yea if the curse holds, we will have a Con federal government.

I would prefer Prince Rupert- closer to Asia and better port.
I am for the export by pipeline.
Unless everyone wants higher taxes. more cuts to services, where do you think the Fed, regardless of Party are going to get the revenue.
Est 30 Billion per year for the Feds.
Pays for a ton on programs
I do not agree with the financial limitations. It should be unlimited.
They best change that one.

Do you really think Trudeau would cancel this, the lawsuits would run into the 10's of billions. And there are many players and yes they would win.
Cancelled based upon political policies- And after it was not only approved but with all these conditions.
Do you really believe Trudeau would cancel this?
 
Corduroy
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Shocking.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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Northern Gateway oil pipeline approved — now Enbridge’s real work begins | Financial Post (external - login to view)

CALGARY — Enbridge Inc. cleared a major hurdle Tuesday with federal cabinet approval of its contentious Northern Gateway pipeline. Now the difficult work begins.

The $7.9-billion export artery would bring up to 525,000 barrels of oil per day from Alberta to a super-tanker port on B.C.’s northern coast for export to refineries in California and Asia. Deliveries could start by late 2018, Enbridge has said, but first the company must nail down a final cost estimate as well as oil-shipping contracts that take into account the 200-plus approval conditions regulators attached to the project last year.

Suncor Energy Inc., Cenovus Energy Inc., Inpex Canada Ltd., CNOOC Ltd. subsidiary Nexen Inc. and Total SA of France have all helped front the project’s initial development costs and signed so-called precedent agreements to ship oil on the 1,178-kilometre pipeline. But they balked at signing binding shipping contracts, citing uncertainty over whether the project would get approved.

With that hurdle cleared, some industry analysts say a raft of competing export projects and the sharp growth of oil shipments by rail could make shoring up commercial support for the pipeline difficult, potentially delaying construction well into next decade.

Enbridge has until July 1 to update regulators on commercial negotiations. The company needs firm transportation contracts covering at least 60% of the pipeline’s capacity prior to starting construction, according to conditions of its approval.

“There’s only so much take-away capacity needed,” said Robert Mark, director of research at MacDougall, MacDougall & MacTier Inc. in Toronto.

Oil sands production is expected to climb to 3.2 million barrels per day by 2020, rising to about four million barrels by 2025, according to industry estimates. In 2013, production stood at 1.95 million barrels a day.

If built, Gateway would serve as an important link between the Alberta deposits and energy-thirsty markets such as China, Mr. Mark said. But construction could get pushed to the “early 2020s” if alternative export options materialize first.

“Timing is a big part of it,” he said. If TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL project and Energy East are approved, “I think Gateway gets shelved for a very, very long time, because we won’t be able to fill it.”

Those projects are no sure bet: Keystone XL remains mired in a political quagmire in the United States and Energy East has yet to begin regulatory hearings.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I would prefer Prince Rupert- closer to Asia and better port.
I am for the export by pipeline.
Unless everyone wants higher taxes. more cuts to services, where do you think the Fed, regardless of Party are going to get the revenue.
Est 30 Billion per year for the Feds.
Pays for a ton on programs
I do not agree with the financial limitations. It should be unlimited.
They best change that one.

Do you really think Trudeau would cancel this, the lawsuits would run into the 10's of billions. And there are many players and yes they would win.
Cancelled based upon political policies- And after it was not only approved but with all these conditions.
Do you really believe Trudeau would cancel this?

Invest in Evraz. All that pipe I'll give them some good profits.
 
B00Mer
Republican
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Hurray!!! Have a cupcake.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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A gross underestimation of the people of BCs resolve to save their home from this travesty. The reaction is I predicted and if it goes much farther, my other predictions will come to light. No pipeline, no tankers. The people of BC have spoken and they will take action.
 
taxslave
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#12  Top Rated Post
We got jails for people that break the law and other ways of dealing with pissant welfare bums that try to get between us and our paycheques. The working people of BC are not prepared to take any more BS from a bunch of welfare bums.
 
B00Mer
Republican
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

A gross underestimation of the people of BCs resolve to save their home from this travesty. The reaction is I predicted and if it goes much farther, my other predictions will come to light. No pipeline, no tankers. The people of BC have spoken and they will take action.



Resistance is Futile!!!
 
petros
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Love Thy Neighborg.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Even with a green light from the federal government, Enbridge faces many hurdles. Given the number and size of them the reality is Enbridge's tarsands pipeline won't see the light of day.
The first is B.C. Premier Christy Clark. Just yesterday the Premier said that no current proposal meets the 5-conditions (external - login to view) the BC Premier laid out. Without a fulfillment of those 5-conditions Premier Clark has said it won’t be given BC’s approval.
The next hurdle is plans for a BC wide referendum (external - login to view). The use of the referendum already caused the death of the HST in BC and with 2 out of 3 British Columbians opposing Enbridge Northern Gateway it may mean the end of Enbridge’s pipeline plans as well.
Thirdly, are the court cases. Within minutes of the announcement, multiple First Nations announced that they would go to court to block the pipeline and Grand Chief Stewart Philip said (external - login to view) they “are prepared to go to unprecedented lengths to conserve and protect our territories and waters from heavy oil.”
Most First Nations in B.C. have never signed treaties and thus have greater legal rights and standing to determine what type of development goes forward on their territory. Over 130 First Nations have signed the ‘Save the Fraser Declaration’ (external - login to view) opposing tar sands development through their territories and the chances of a substantial legal victory stopping the pipeline is high.
The last hurdle, should it come to that, is the escalation of protests and the use of peaceful civil disobedience to stop the pipeline. Already over 20,000 people (external - login to view) have pledged to join with First Nations to do whatever it takes to stop the pipeline and prevent the destruction it would bring with it.


Harper just picked a fight he can’t win | Greenpeace Canada (external - login to view)
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

A gross underestimation of the people of BCs resolve to save their home from this travesty. The reaction is I predicted and if it goes much farther, my other predictions will come to light. No pipeline, no tankers. The people of BC have spoken and they will take action.

The people of BC can't afford the poor decisions they have made... Fed transfer payments to a have not province have obligations attached.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post


Interesting quote... Reminds me of the continued use of gill nets by many FN communities in ripping the salmon from most streams in BC before the fish can spawn.

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Harper just picked a fight he can’t win | Greenpeace Canada (external - login to view)


Greenpeace is treading really close to the line on having their charitable status revoked.

Talk about picking a fight you can't win
 
Locutus
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condition this:




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David Akin ‏@davidakin (external - login to view)

U don’t say! RT @Freedomzone_ (external - login to view): #TransMountain (external - login to view) shipping oil through Burnaby since 1954 with ZERO spills at sea. http://bit.ly/SS5XiO




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East Coast? 4,000 oil tankers a year and no major spill since 1970. http://bit.ly/SS4yZo




have a nice day.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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In 2012, Enbridge launched an advertising blitz to portray the Northern Gateway pipeline in a low-risk, positive light.
One ad involved a bird's-eye-view tour of the pipeline route hovering over a computer animated map. Okay so far. Who doesn't like maps?
But observers were quick to point out that something wasn't quite right with the animated tour over the Rockies, across mighty British Columbia, and finally reaching Kitimat on the Pacific Coast.
The Douglas Channel looked like a wide, open bay. Dozens of islands and narrow, twisting and turning passages no longer existed:

One of the main criticisms of Northern Gateway is that it would bring oil supertankers into narrow, difficult to navigate inland waterways full of hazards like shallow waters, jutting rocks, and pods of whales. But Enbridge thought the map on the left made their point better than the map on the right.
Here's what the Douglas Channel supertanker route looks like on Google Earth:


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5 times Canadians were utterly misled about the Northern Gateway pipeline | Press Progress (external - login to view)
 
mentalfloss
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Yea, it doesn't look like they really thought this one out.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Yea, it doesn't look like they really thought this one out.

They and the government have been BSing us for years. Most people here with more than two brain cells don't trusts the pricks.

Harper blows his horn about what an amazing project this is for Canada.
BUT!!!
Is it, when he can't even come to a microphone to announce it?
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Northern Gateway pipeline approved with 209 conditions

The federal government has agreed to let Enbridge build its Northern Gateway pipeline, subject to 209 conditions recommended by the National Energy Board and further talks with aboriginal communities.

Enbridge wants to build the pipeline from Bruderheim, Alta., to Kitimat, B.C.

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair called it "folly" and "pure madness" to think anyone can put supertankers in British Columbia's Douglas Channel.

Both Mulcair and Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said they would reverse the decision to accept the National Energy Board's pipeline approval. Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, environmental groups and First Nations reacted quickly to news of the federal approval, releasing statements opposing it.


Northern Gateway pipeline approved with 209 conditions


Mulcair and Junior are Quebec boys. They should confine their opinions to Quebec! -

Why isn't there the same outcry about all the marine traffic maneuvering under the Lions Gate Bridge where the traffic is a dozen times heavier in a far more restricted area?
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Mulcair and Junior are Quebec boys. They should confine their opinions to Quebec! -

Why isn't there the same outcry about all the marine traffic maneuvering under the Lions Gate Bridge where the traffic is a dozen times heavier in a far more restricted area?

And what does Harpo know about BC. He is a bean counter. He doesn't know Jack about the dangers involved here. Vancouver is nowhere close to as dangerous as Kitimat. Just look at the photo above. No pipeline. No tankers. Period. The fight has just begun.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

We got jails for people that break the law and other ways of dealing with pissant welfare bums that try to get between us and our paycheques. The working people of BC are not prepared to take any more BS from a bunch of welfare bums.


bump
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

bump

So 2/3rds of British Columbians are welfare bums, eh. You underestimate the power of the people.

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Count_Lothian
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I can't find the figures but it works out to 8 bucks a year per person living in BC over 30 years in enbridge give aways
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Mulcair and Junior are Quebec boys. They should confine their opinions to Quebec! -

Why isn't there the same outcry about all the marine traffic maneuvering under the Lions Gate Bridge where the traffic is a dozen times heavier in a far more restricted area?

Oil tankers too .
 
Locutus
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Northern Gateway is the right decision for Canada


Trade unions declare support for federal government approval of Northern Gateway pipeline


Pipe Line Contractors Association of Canada | Northern Gateway is the right decision for Canada (external - login to view)


Northern Gateway pipeline approval first step to Canada becoming energy superpower

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Nuggler
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good lord: Harpo and the trades on the same page. Blue moon tonight. Skating in hell.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

good lord: Harpo and the trades on the same page. Blue moon tonight. Skating in hell.


... But it's so pretty skating under a blue moon on a mild evening.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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Silence from the Cons in BC
Conservatives distance themselves from Northern Gateway approval - Politics - CBC News
 

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